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Jan 6 2015, 12:51
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 13:47)  Thinking about requesting some IW too, you can link me to 50 pages telling me how to calculate but it is still all gibberish to me.I'm just not able to do math when it isn't in it's paper form. Roughly, can someone give me some estimation if I try to IW my weapon? : http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f53c7bd37fI am trying to level it right now but shit, my second weapon is way too weak to do it fast enough. What estimation? I mean what you get depends on how much Snowflake (the RNG) you like. QUOTE(p3epe @ Jan 6 2015, 13:48)  I was under the impression that they did if it's prefixed and they don't already have a decent supply in that category? It's the plain superiors they don't want. Or maybe I'm remembering their lottery points graphic wrong...
You could be right, i havent sent something to the freeshop in ages. This post has been edited by Stulpen: Jan 6 2015, 12:52
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Jan 6 2015, 12:55
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Saika_
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 6 2015, 13:51)  What estimation? I mean what you get depends on how much Snowflake (the RNG) you like.
A rough price estimation for the complete levelling to 10. Snowflake (the RNG) = again, people using incomprehensible language (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) This post has been edited by Klauser57: Jan 6 2015, 12:55
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Jan 6 2015, 13:00
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 13:55)  A rough price estimation for the complete levelling to 10. Snowflake (the RNG) = again, people using incomprehensible language (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) No idea, i have always IWed myself. Even my weapon without any acceptable replacement. It takes nearly forever, but i did it. And im proud about it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) And hey, i have explain it between the parenthesis. So you cant complain about that. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jan 6 2015, 13:00
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 11:55)  Snowflake (the RNG) = again, people using incomprehensible language (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) He's asking if you want specific potencies (ie if you want to reforge if you don't have the ones you want). For a rapier of slaughter, the best would be Butcher lvl 5/Fatality lvl 4, but you probably want something just close enough as to not waste time and credits/amnesia shards.
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Jan 6 2015, 13:02
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Saika_
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 6 2015, 14:00)  He's asking if you want specific potencies (ie if you want to reforge if you don't have the ones you want). For a rapier of slaughter, the best would be Butcher lvl 5/Fatality lvl 4, but you probably want something just close enough as to not waste time and credits/amnesia shards.
Well, I'm not hardcore enough to pay an extra million or two for the perfect thing, level 10 will be enough.But I can't calculate the price.
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Jan 6 2015, 13:02
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 6 2015, 14:00)  He's asking if you want specific potencies (ie if you want to reforge if you don't have the ones you want). For a rapier of slaughter, the best would be Butcher lvl 5/Fatality lvl 4, but you probably want something just close enough as to not waste time and credits/amnesia shards.
I would suggest less Butcher, but at least one or two switch strike. You can get damage from forging or from you armor. But ASB seems a bit harder to get.
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Jan 6 2015, 13:04
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 6 2015, 12:02)  I would suggest less Butcher, but at least one or two switch strike. You can get damage from forging or from you armor. But ASB seems a bit harder to get.
What? Swift Strike is probably the least desirable potency for a rapier of slaughter since the attack speed is nuked by the high burden of heavy armor (well, it's not that bad, to be fair. My rapier has 5.77% attack speed and I still get 4.4% attack speed in total.). Also, it doesn't help clearing things faster. Even Overpower is better in that regard, nevermind the already high counter-parry from Overwhelming Strikes + Stun. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 6 2015, 13:13
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Jan 6 2015, 13:08
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 6 2015, 14:04)  What? Swift Strike is probably the least desirable potency for a rapier of slaughter since the attack speed is nuked by the high burden of heavy armor.
I prefer to have my ASB over 0% and get additional damage from elsewhere.
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Jan 6 2015, 13:11
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Saika_
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Nice way to derive the discussion, I take note and conclude that nobody is able to do the math either (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jan 6 2015, 13:17
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 12:11)  Nice way to derive the discussion, I take note and conclude that nobody is able to do the math either (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Just to lvl 10 then? You should at least demand Butcher on the first level or something like that. You can even get it yourself, you just need to clear IW at Hell for the first two levels. Do you have some amnesia shards? As for the price, as we already said, ask the IW service handlers, they usually provide ways to calculate the price, or will do it for you. See HolyDemon's Shop for example. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 6 2015, 13:20
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Jan 6 2015, 13:31
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Saika_
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But why can't anyone give me an approximate number (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I tried estimations years ago and found out 3M were needed, now I find above 2M, so I just would like an average number for when people use the IW services (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by Klauser57: Jan 6 2015, 13:32
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Jan 6 2015, 13:37
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 04:31)  But why can't anyone give me an approximate number (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I tried estimations years ago and found out 3M were needed, now I find above 2M, so I just would like an average number for when people use the IW services (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) luck including extra pab from iw & cost of energy drink
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Jan 6 2015, 13:40
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Saika_
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Jan 6 2015, 13:40
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 12:31)  But why can't anyone give me an approximate number (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I tried estimations years ago and found out 3M were needed, now I find above 2M, so I just would like an average number for when people use the IW services (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Eh? If you just want lvl 10, than should cost about 400k (maybe more, maybe less). I didn't understand you wanted a rough estimate, sorry. QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 12:40)  I don't think so. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 6 2015, 13:42
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Jan 6 2015, 13:43
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Saika_
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 6 2015, 14:40)  Eh? If you just want lvl 10, than should cost about 400k (maybe more, maybe less). I didn't understand you wanted a rough estimate, sorry. I don't think so.
Thanks finally (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If it's that cheap I might as well send all my stuff. Easy thug life, baby (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Hard work for pussies and homos. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jan 6 2015, 13:43
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 19:11)  Nice way to derive the discussion, I take note and conclude that nobody is able to do the math either (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well, p3epe has already calculated that it is 17389 pxp total (I haven't checked). And your item should require 65 rounds per IW run according to mythe script. Each run should yield 65*15.6 = 1014 pxp, @ IWBTH/PFUDOR difficulty. So it'd need at least roundup(17389/1014)=18 runs in total. IW service is usually priced at a x per pxp. x times 18 time 1014 is the price you'd need to pay. Are you sure this rapier is worth IW'ing? Or did you provide the wrong link? Cos you said you've been trying to level it up, but it doesn't have any pxp at all. This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Jan 6 2015, 13:45
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Jan 6 2015, 13:45
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Saika_
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 6 2015, 14:40)  I don't think so.
Yeah I guess so, it's barely better than my own helmet of pure shit that isn't worth more than 75k if lucky : http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1b4a474259There is a lot of legendary power on sale but all warding or protections, but cost around 1.25M or 2M for a lot of them.Is it worth it or not?Less fire power but more physical mitigations.
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Jan 6 2015, 13:47
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Saika_
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 6 2015, 14:43)  Well, p3epe has already calculated that it is 17389 pxp total (I haven't checked). And your item should require 65 rounds per IW run according to mythe script. Each run should yield 65*15.6 = 1014 pxp, @ IWBTH/PFUDOR difficulty. So it'd need at least roundup(17389/1014)=18 runs in total.
IW service is usually priced at a x per pxp. x times 18 time 1014 is the price you'd need to pay.
Are you sure this rapier is worth IW'ing? Or did you provide the wrong link? Cos you said you've been trying to level it up, but it doesn't have any pxp at all.
It's the only rapier that was available, so I'll use it for now. 0 pxp because I left the never ending item worlds to watch porn (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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Jan 6 2015, 13:50
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djackallstar
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QUOTE(Klauser57 @ Jan 6 2015, 19:31)  But why can't anyone give me an approximate number
All right. 1. price per run = roundup(65 * 15.6 * 17) = roundup(17238) = 17238 2. number of runs needed = roundup(1000*((1+338/1000)^10 - 1) / (65 * 15.6)) = roundup(17.15) = 18 3. credits needed = 17238 * 18 = 310284 iono how many rounds are needed for you rapier per run, so I made it up (65). Just replace 65 with the number you see in its item world. also, some item world service providers charge 18c or more per pxp, if so, just replace 17 with their price.
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