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About VV, personally I think it's for x6+ GF or DwD@PF, get the perk if you can't do both.

What does " x6+ GF " stands for?

About Innate Arcana, can someone tell me what is so good about it?
By reading the description, it seems useless expect for the "You have encountered a monster!" event in PFUDOR.

I think I'll get VV,EE,RR and DD and a weapon when I can.

What does " x6+ GF " stands for?

About Innate Arcana, can someone tell me what is so good about it?
By reading the description, it seems useless expect for the "You have encountered a monster!" event in PFUDOR.

I think I'll get VV,EE,RR and DD and a weapon when I can.

IA provide auto cast buffs with MP discount
- can save time
- can train supportive prof
- can save mp, especially for SoL

Make it short. IA allow you to play more rounds within the same amount of time.

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 2 2015, 05:50

What does " x6+ GF " stands for?

About Innate Arcana, can someone tell me what is so good about it?
By reading the description, it seems useless expect for the "You have encountered a monster!" event in PFUDOR.

I think I'll get VV,EE,RR and DD and a weapon when I can.

x6 is difficulty setting, in this case Hell Grindfest.

With IA, you no longer need to maintain buffs for every 50+ turns or so, very useful for long fight, which is what Hverse is about: fighting hundred thousand of turns for cheap credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

So you DO have 4000 Hath like I thought. I highly recommend getting good equipments as 1st priority, training AD. pack rat, some ability and many things that you can ask other.
Hath perk are for rich people.

What does " x6+ GF " stands for?

HellFest and onward.

I think I'll get VV,EE,RR and DD and a weapon when I can.

Just in case, if you don't have a decent set of equips yet, go get them first, because hath perks are not as cost-effective as good equips, provided you know how to spend money wisely.
By decent I mean those equips should be worth forging 20 ~ 30 times.
The more you know the mechanism of the game, the more you'll be able to spend credits wisely and cost-effectively.
For example, Eminent Elementalist costs 1000 Hath, which is about 7.55m, and one can get about double of its effect by wearing one good Leg-class cotton/gossamer with Mmax elemental prof, with only 1/10 of the price (usu from auction).
Another example, DD costs 2000 Hath, or about 15m, but one can get more damage by forging their equips (given that they are worth forging) 30+ times on average.
Yet another example, VV costs 250 Hath, or about 1.8m ~ 1.9m, but one can get HP boost from Jug. I just got Jug5 for every of my 5 phases today, and the cost of amnesia shards I used was less than 500k (the way you do IW highly affects the cost of amnesia shards; be sure to apply varst's method if you are going for Jug5 like me)
The disadvantage of forging/IWing is that once you change gear, you lose the effect, so that's what you need to think about and make a decision.
Basically what I'm trying to say is, hath perks are relatively expensive and less cost-effective if you know how to gain the effects you want by knowing more about the mechanism of the game; However, Hath perks are cross-gear and fast to accquire if budget is not a problem.


This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jan 2 2015, 06:12

x6 is difficulty setting, in this case Hell Grindfest.

With IA, you no longer need to maintain buffs for every 50+ turns or so, very useful for long fight, which is what Hverse is about: fighting hundred thousand of turns for cheap credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

So you DO have 4000 Hath like I thought. I highly recommend getting good equipments as 1st priority, training AD. pack rat, some ability and many things that you can ask other.
Hath perk are for rich people.

Don't forget that I am not starting all over, I am a level 276 with already decent equipment (could be better though) who is already planning on improving some equipments.Remind you, the 4000 Hath is theoretical as I should be able to get much more than that (175,000 kGP waiting for prices to catch up with already millions of credits and hundreds of Hath) but don't plan to use much more than 4000 on perks.

HellFest and onward.

Just in case, if you don't have a decent set of equips yet, go get them first, because hath perks are not as cost-effective as good equips, provided you know how to spend money wisely.
The more you know the mechanism of the game, the more you'll be able to spend credits wisely and cost-effectively.

Well I'm just some damn casual and never bothered with the 5 millions possibilities of upgrading, not worth an headache.
Plus my current equipment isn't worth upgrading since actually it is only my "rescue" set (bunch of exquisite and superior power armours of slaughters and ridiculously useless Exquisite Ethereal mace of Slaughter) after I sold my main set in the past.

Well I'm just some damn casual and never bothered with the 5 millions possibilities of upgrading, not worth an headache.
Plus my current equipment isn't worth upgrading since actually it is only my "rescue" set (bunch of exquisite and superior power armours of slaughters and ridiculously useless Exquisite Ethereal mace of Slaughter) after I sold my main set in the past.

How about a link to the equips themselves, so we can get a better idea of the situation? Sometimes Exquisite gear can be more than adequate for casual gaming, if the essential stats are good enough.

Well I'm just some damn casual and never bothered with the 5 millions possibilities of upgrading, not worth an headache

All the more reason not to touch hath perk. They are meant for hardcore players who can use them to full effect, not casual with less than 50k daily income

casual who's only here for credit should just build a tanky 1H to grind pfudor arena, then leave it at that. Hell, if you somehow amass the 7.5m for DD, you should retire instead and convert all of that into GP.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 2 2015, 09:04

All the more reason not to touch hath perk. They are meant for hardcore players who can use them to full effect, not casual with less than 50k daily income

casual who's only here for credit should just build a tanky 1H to grind pfudor arena, then leave it at that. Hell, if you somehow amass the 7.5m for DD, you should retire instead and convert all of that into GP.

You're mistaken, I am looking to spend credits, not the reverse.
I gotta find a way to spend all that useless money I make from uploads, that keeps flooding as we talk.
And on a year basis, I am way over 50k daily without playing the game.

This post has been edited by Klauser57: Jan 2 2015, 12:15

You're mistaken, I am looking to spend credits, not the reverse.
I gotta find a way to spend all that useless money I make from uploads, that keeps flooding as we talk.
And on a year basis, I am way over 50k daily without playing the game.

You could spend them buying better gear from auctions. It's not too much of a hassle since you don't have to roam the various shops out there and you'll be better off compared to tossing them at some hath perks (aside from Innate Arcana I, II and III which are pretty helpful in making the gameplay smoother).


OTOH, you could always keep on hoarding all that useless e-currency and let it pile up till the system collapses under the weight of your wealth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Scremaz posted a link to the HV Equipment Comparison 0.6.4.0.

No, Scremaz didnt. It was Dan31 that postet the link. Must miss his post yesterday.

No, Scremaz didnt. It was Dan31 that postet the link. Must miss his post yesterday.

Looks like you sobered up. If you still can't make it work then it's not the alcohol's fault.

Looks like you sobered up. If you still can't make it work then it's not the alcohol's fault.

Are you trying to offend me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You're mistaken, I am looking to spend credits, not the reverse.
I gotta find a way to spend all that useless money I make from uploads, that keeps flooding as we talk.
And on a year basis, I am way over 50k daily without playing the game.

Run a lottery. That's the quickest way to get rid of "useless money". Or you could give it to me, that's even faster (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Joking aside, getting rapier + force shield + power slaughter set+ ofc is the most optimal way to sweep through arena at your level. But if you're not willing to do research on builds or spend time playing then it's best to stay away from HV. How about funding the bounties for translation/rare scan?

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 2 2015, 13:39

How often do you guys keep Spark active when fighting on a difficulty level that's at least somewhat challenging? I remember reading somewhere that Spark is unnecessary once you reach get to 20% spirit shield, but at least at my character level and mitigation level, I'm still sometimes worried about when 2 or 3 mobs use abilities and the others use normal attacks. Sure, Spark activating is still pretty uncommon, but it still happens.

I'm asking because I'm thinking about getting perk IA 3. I'm using IA Spirit Shield and Haste atm, Shadow Veil is useless because of 0 evade, and Protection lasts a very long time without IA anyway. But if I won't prefer to have Spark on 100% of the time as well, the perk might not be worth the hath cost ATM.

Are you trying to offend me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Are you gonna cry? Please don't.

How many times do I have to say this? You don't control the level of the monster (it scales with the level of the player it fights), you only control the PL and Chaos Level. So your question doesn't make sense.

Sorry, this all came about because I was asking what the monster level meant. So now it seems that players can't control the level of their monsters, and it is meaningless as a filter for the monsters encountered too, since PL is a better proxy for monster power.

If you had 4000 Hath, what would you buy?
Repair Bear Mk.1 + Vigorous Vitality + Effluent Ether with a few Innate Arcana?

I actually did go through this almost two months ago and ended up spending several thousand hath on most of the E-H perks as well as VV,EE,SS,RR, and an assortment of Exp+,IA,Crystarium,Tokenizer. Plus a bunch of lotteries and I loaned away another few thousand hath. Now I'm poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

If I went through this again, I'd buy:
- a great set of equipment.
- a gold star (~ 26m credits or 3400 hath)
- IA (qty dependent on play style)
- VV,EE,SS (dependent on play style)

About VV, personally I think it's for x6+ GF or DwD@PF, get the perk if you can't do both.
Not sure about EE, as a melee player I'm doing fine without it in x6 GF and DwD@BT.

Does "doing" x6+ GF mean finishing all 1000 rounds? Or doing it up to a certain point? I can't imagine that (m)any people have the time to grind 1000 rounds. Or am I wrong here?

Shadow Veil is useless because of 0 evade,

Wrong. Even with 0 evade, it is with Shadow Veil possible to evade in battle. The chance is very low, thats right. But it isnt useless.

Are you gonna cry? Please don't.

Your so cute. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by Stulpen: Jan 2 2015, 14:24

If I went through this again, I'd buy:
- a great set of equipment.
- a gold star (~ 26m credits or 3400 hath)
- IA (qty dependent on play style)
- VV,EE,SS (dependent on play style)

I would say SS is only useful at very later game. At least you do not need it at your level. After a decent set (Ex+) of gears, the best bet should be DD.
You need to know that the different between Ex_max and Leg_max is 1.2/1.05 ~= 1.14. So DD can make an Ex_max set have a Leg range output. If you play a few style, you will find DD is actually cheaper.

Does "doing" x6+ GF mean finishing all 1000 rounds? Or doing it up to a certain point? I can't imagine that (m)any people have the time to grind 1000 rounds. Or am I wrong here?

Sure for 1000 rounds (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). However, no one ask you to finish it in one go.
What's your average turns per rounds? And average turns per second?

BTW, I can only reach ~500 rounds in Hellfest with my holy set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 2 2015, 14:09

The naked guy returns ^^



Following my first try at random encounter I did the first 3 arenas @PFUDOR with this set to feel the water:

main hand: my right hand
offhand: Legendary Mithril Buckler of Protection
head: I'm still bald
body: nothing either
hand: my left hand (makes you wonder how I hold the buckler)
legs: nothing, I'm still Rayman
feet: barefoot

The mandatory stats with that set:
Fighting Style: One-Handed (crushing)
30% Overwhelming Strikes on hit
75% Counter-Attack on block/parry

Physical Attack:
2610 attack base damage
105.7% hit chance
20% crit chance / +50 % damage
1.5% attack speed bonus

Magical Attack
881 magic base damage
94.8% hit chance
16.5% crit chance / +50 % damage
101.4% mana cost modifier
0% cast speed bonus

Vitals
100% HP Boost
100% MP Boost
Defense
45.4% physical mitigation
43.7% magical mitigation
18.7% evade chance
35.7% block chance
18.5% parry chance
14.8% resist chance

Compromise
2.8interference
2.8burden

What's changed since last time:
- +10 levels (more defense, more attack)
- Vigorous Vitalily perk (+4k hp)
- Spirit theft enabled (extremely necessary)

The graduation arena was hellish, I need to polish my attack pattern to avoid running out of spirit (it happened 3 times today)

Next time will probably be the quest for fresh meat.

The first tale

I know it's stupid. But I'm getting bored, and this is good entertainment since I can't play brain dead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)