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Dec 18 2014, 12:34
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derp-z2
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Greetings
Regarding elixirs, flower vase and bubblegum
Could these items be developed with ring of blood arena kept in mind.
Since its a one round death battle so each overkill item counts and were NOT meant for grind fest and normal arenas . I know this question is rhetorical but i would like your opinion on ROB strategy to use them if possible.
Regards
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Dec 18 2014, 12:42
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Dan31
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 18 2014, 02:21)  Alright, so OFC is near useless for me. And, maybe I should change my play style to stop bashing monsters with my staff.
The very idea of bashing monsters with a stick when you control obscure arcane forces of divine power is kinda odd in the first place. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 18 2014, 11:34)  Greetings
Regarding elixirs, flower vase and bubblegum
Could these items be developed with ring of blood arena kept in mind.
Since its a one round death battle so each overkill item counts and were NOT meant for grind fest and normal arenas . I know this question is rhetorical but i would like your opinion on ROB strategy to use them if possible.
Regards
Flower Vase and Bubble Gum, as we just stated, don't drop often enough/last long enough to be of any practical use. They are just to play around with, in RoB as you say for example. Elixirs are best used for very long battles like Dance with Dragons and Grindfest.
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Dec 18 2014, 12:46
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 18 2014, 03:34)  Greetings
Regarding elixirs, flower vase and bubblegum
Could these items be developed with ring of blood arena kept in mind.
Since its a one round death battle so each overkill item counts and were NOT meant for grind fest and normal arenas . I know this question is rhetorical but i would like your opinion on ROB strategy to use them if possible.
Regards
now you found the way how to use them. For last elixir, it's useful for saving slots & beneficial when sp/mp bar are empty at the same time.
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Dec 18 2014, 12:57
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tetron
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I have two questions about Bubble Gum and Flower Vase:
1. Do they Stack? Like "3x Bubble Gum" or "3x Flower Vase + 2x Bubble Gum"? If they do, then are the Effects Stack Multiplicatively or Additively?
2. Wiki says that the Effect of Flower Vase is this: "Your attack/magic damage, attack/magic hit/crit chance, and evade/resist chance increases significantly for a short time." I want to know the how much Evade and Resist are gained from using a single Flower Vase, and whether the Evade/Resist gain Stack or not.
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Dec 18 2014, 13:53
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 18 2014, 11:42)  The very idea of bashing monsters with a stick when you control obscure arcane forces of divine power is kinda odd in the first place. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) or at least a bit humiliating for the almighty tool you use to control such powerful powers QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 18 2014, 11:42)  Elixirs are best used for very long battles like Dance with Dragons and Grindfest.
yup. a last elixir and you won't even be able to use all that exceeding MP (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dec 18 2014, 15:18
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mozilla browser
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It seems like such a waste of mana if you can bash them for free. And it helps avoid the need to do any staff proficiency grinding too...
Can I have also some advice on how to Item World efficiently? I'm probably aiming for Economizer level 4 or 5 on my staff - I guess there should not be much practical difference between 20% and 25% mana conservation. And I don't know what other staff potencies are useful (not that it's easy to select them).
Should I keep reforging at level 1 if I do not get economizer? I think I've already done this 5 times - how many shards will be required, on average?
How about after I eventually get economizer on level 1?
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Dec 18 2014, 15:24
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 18 2014, 14:18)  It seems like such a waste of mana if you can bash them for free. And it helps avoid the need to do any staff proficiency grinding too...
Can I have also some advice on how to Item World efficiently? I'm probably aiming for Economizer level 4 or 5 on my staff - I guess there should not be much practical difference between 20% and 25% mana conservation. And I don't know what other staff potencies are useful (not that it's easy to select them).
Should I keep reforging at level 1 if I do not get economizer? I think I've already done this 5 times - how many shards will be required, on average?
How about after I eventually get economizer on level 1?
before giving you any hint, can i see your staff?
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Dec 18 2014, 15:40
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Dan31
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 18 2014, 14:18)  It seems like such a waste of mana if you can bash them for free. And it helps avoid the need to do any staff proficiency grinding too...
Well, yeah, you're absolutely right. Staff prof is probably the most boring and bothersome to raise. And it's kinda useful since it raises magic damage. Speaking of magic damage, since you're not using a staff of destruction, it may be interesting to aim for radiant equipment (with decent spell damage)? QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 18 2014, 14:18)  Can I have also some advice on how to Item World efficiently? I'm probably aiming for Economizer level 4 or 5 on my staff - I guess there should not be much practical difference between 20% and 25% mana conservation. And I don't know what other staff potencies are useful (not that it's easy to select them).
Should I keep reforging at level 1 if I do not get economizer? I think I've already done this 5 times - how many shards will be required, on average?
How about after I eventually get economizer on level 1?
Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. As for reforge advice: QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 11 2014, 14:36)  In the first run, clear it at the difficulty that won't make the equip to Lv.2, so when you see a potency you don't want, you can reforge it with only 1 Amnesia Shard. In the second run, clear it at the difficulty that won't make the equip to Lv.3, so when you see a potency you don't want, you can reforge it with only 2 Amnesia Shards.
QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 8 2014, 14:45)  And some extra info for you (quoted from a PM from wannaf): 5mc 4cr(best for gf) or 5mc 4am(best for arena) so if your aim is just 5mc,2mc start is important.when you get 3mc on lv3 .it is worthy to reach lv9 ,then 5mc or reforge. if your aim is 5mc with 3+cr or am,you can start with 2mc or 2cr/am or 1mc+1cr/am i think they are all the same. mc = mana conservation (economizer) cr = counter resist (penetrator) am = archmage QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 18 2014, 14:24)  before giving you any hint, can i see your staff?
Don't worry, the staff is worth IW'ing.This post has been edited by Dan31: Dec 18 2014, 15:50
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Dec 18 2014, 15:47
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 18 2014, 21:40)  Speaking of magic damage, since you're not using a staff of destruction, it may be interesting to aim for radiant equipment (with decent spell damage)?
I would, but decent equipment seems to be hard to find. With the radiant prefix, it becomes even rarer. And wouldn't you know it, I'm starting to feel poor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) So I'll probably get whatever I can afford for now. After getting the desired potency at level 1, do I have / should I reforge again if level 2 introduces a new potency? Or, if I get a second potency that looks desirable, it's ok to continue? I think the wiki says that there can be a maximum of 3 potencies. Is that true? I think I might've seen an item with 4 potencies. Which staff potencies are good anyway? This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Dec 18 2014, 15:55
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Dec 18 2014, 16:00
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Dan31
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 18 2014, 14:47)  After getting the desired potency at level 1, do I have / should I reforge again if level 2 introduces a new potency? Or, if I get a second potency that looks desirable, it's ok to continue?
I think the wiki says that there can be a maximum of 3 potencies. Is that true? I think I might've seen an item with 4 potencies.
Which staff potencies are good anyway?
Get it at least to lvl 2 on the two first levels. BTW, an existing potency has 50% chance of gaining a level if not maxed (less if there are other potencies). The cap of 3 potencies was introduced recently. Before, you could get any number of potencies (or maybe 4 max, I don't know). Mana Conservation is pretty good on any staff, especially Holy/Dark staffs since the mana cost is high. Archmage is especially good on Destruction staffs, and for Arenas. Penetrator is great for Grindfest reportedly. I don't really know about the other potencies.
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Dec 18 2014, 17:19
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nec1986
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So i dont feel much more power from getting new levels. Its slow and rly small increase and i got few more questions.
1. Which direction should i take for better result and in which order? I wanna clear PF. a. IW all equip (never did it) b. Looks for some better one. But i have not so much credits. c. Increase proficiency in magic path (f.e. for sp theft) d. Something different... 2. How to get more credits? Lab? 3. Training. Atm i have mostly only 140 adept with 51 ability and 10 pack. Also i have 6 scavenger, but nothing else. Should i focus on archeologist or something different?
Thx.
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Dec 18 2014, 17:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 18 2014, 15:00)  Before, you could get any number of potencies (or maybe 4 max, I don't know).
any is right enough, no maximum cap. QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 18 2014, 16:19)  So i dont feel much more power from getting new levels. Its slow and rly small increase and i got few more questions.
1. Which direction should i take for better result and in which order? I wanna clear PF. a. IW all equip (never did it) b. Looks for some better one. But i have not so much credits. c. Increase proficiency in magic path (f.e. for sp theft) d. Something different... 2. How to get more credits? Lab? 3. Training. Atm i have mostly only 140 adept with 51 ability and 10 pack. Also i have 6 scavenger, but nothing else. Should i focus on archeologist or something different?
surely c first, since it's almost free and you'll need it eventually. aim for 200 prof to unlock ragnarok and configure hoverplay to spam corruption on hit-and-run grindfests at normal difficulty. use whatever cloth armor you can find with high WIS (possibly not fenrir because you'd advance too quickly) and 'useless' greater potions are good enough. also, personally i found staffs too bothersome because of that annoying ether tap thing, so i use two old 1H weapons with WIS bonus then search for nice gears (for example, a MMax+ force shield and a rapier with decent PA stats. btw, you are 1H, aren't you?). no need to IW all of them, the rapier is good enough.
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Dec 18 2014, 17:44
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Dan31
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 18 2014, 16:19)  So i dont feel much more power from getting new levels. Its slow and rly small increase and i got few more questions.
1. Which direction should i take for better result and in which order? I wanna clear PF. a. IW all equip (never did it) b. Looks for some better one. But i have not so much credits. c. Increase proficiency in magic path (f.e. for sp theft) d. Something different... 2. How to get more credits? Lab? 3. Training. Atm i have mostly only 140 adept with 51 ability and 10 pack. Also i have 6 scavenger, but nothing else. Should i focus on archeologist or something different?
Thx.
Well, for credits, you can always begin with boosting drop-related trainings (Scavenger, Quartermaster, Luck of the Draw, Archeologist), always training the cheaper. Maybe keep Luck of the Draw a bit ahead of the rest. What's your current equipment set? (Hover over an equipment and press 'c' to get a link to it.) If you use 1H, you should already be able to clear PFUDOR random encounters at the very least. If not, seek better gear immediately. This post has been edited by Dan31: Dec 18 2014, 17:47
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Dec 18 2014, 17:49
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 18 2014, 17:19)  So i dont feel much more power from getting new levels. Its slow and rly small increase and i got few more questions.
1. Which direction should i take for better result and in which order? I wanna clear PF. a. IW all equip (never did it) b. Looks for some better one. But i have not so much credits. c. Increase proficiency in magic path (f.e. for sp theft) d. Something different... 2. How to get more credits? Lab? 3. Training. Atm i have mostly only 140 adept with 51 ability and 10 pack. Also i have 6 scavenger, but nothing else. Should i focus on archeologist or something different?
Thx.
1a. imo, IW max your weapon & maybe 5-6lvls for others. though, it really depends on how long you're going to keep them. also, extra 15-20 lvls of Juggernaut can be pretty useful. Lastly, it's FREE, it only requires time & maybe some Amnesia Shards. b. not buying stuff is the best way to save credits, say you average 200k/day, you'll get ~1.4mil/wk. c. Mage is not any cheaper. also, maybe try maging ~lvl310-350. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) 2. grind 3. maybe some Lotd?
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Dec 18 2014, 17:55
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nec1986
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 18 2014, 18:36)  then search for nice gears (for example, a MMax+ force shield and a rapier with decent PA stats. btw, you are 1H, aren't you?). no need to IW all of them, the rapier is good enough.
yea, and i think 1h is more than enough. Maybe later i ll learn a bit mage, but 2h and other looks not so good. Atm my weak spot probably rapier, but also i got quite decent damage, so maybe with good sp theif its much better. QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 18 2014, 18:44)  What's your current equipment set? (Hover over an equipment and press 'c' to get a link to it.)
If you use 1H, you should already be able to clear PFUDOR random encounters at the very least. If not, seek better gear immediately.
Quite easy and long time ago, but without focusing/sp theft i can clear only 35-40 rounds in fest. Not something special. My gear: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=800126b34dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9123561a3bhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4dba0d8f6bhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=17c9faa042http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6330f62f7dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1673b28750http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=06e48e23e5
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Dec 18 2014, 19:03
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Dan31
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 18 2014, 16:55)  Look for a better rapier of slaughter (Ex+), either Ethereal, Hallowed or Demonic, with 3 PABs. Then look for better helmet (with 3 PABs), better gauntlets (with DEX), better leggings (Ex+), better shield (with more block)... Nowadays, you can get legendary power of protection/warding for 50~100k in auctions.
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Dec 19 2014, 04:25
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looning
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Can anybody give me tip for IW? I'm on round 53/67 for a Katana on normal and well... How to put it. I have no pots left, next to no mana (12 points) and I would really hate to have to go through all those round again. Anyone know anyway to help?
(Using Niten with Heavy Armor, probs not the best idea but oh well)
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Dec 19 2014, 04:43
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m118w11
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QUOTE(shnurlf @ Dec 19 2014, 04:25)  Can anybody give me tip for IW? I'm on round 53/67 for a Katana on normal and well... How to put it. I have no pots left, next to no mana (12 points) and I would really hate to have to go through all those round again. Anyone know anyway to help?
(Using Niten with Heavy Armor, probs not the best idea but oh well)
At that stage (no mana) you might be screwed. Try save your overcharge and spam focus when there is one mob remaining (focus restores ~5% base mana for 25% overcharge, but you take more damage and can't parry/block/evade for 2 turns). Usually you want to wait until you are much stronger to IW equipment, as lesser equipment is not worth the effort.
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Dec 19 2014, 06:21
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lordvaliant
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A few questions come to mind: Equipment & items 1. my equipment inventory is maxed out, if I sell all does it automatically sell the ones I equipped too? any way to save the good ones, so they don't get sold as well? 2. Do monster level effect credit drops? is it faster to gain credits playing high levels (it takes a lot more time to clear levels) or playing at low levels? the only difference I noticed is I get 3x crystal drops, and better quality items at higher levels... I dunno how level/difficulty effects credits 3. what level do monsters start dropping mags and legs?
Monster Lab: 1. which chaos upgrade do you deem is most useful? 2. is it better to use chaos upgrades on a few ones on all their stats or to use them to make more monsters? same goes to crystals, do we get more items by focusing upgrading 1 monster to a really high level, or having a lot of so so monsters?
uh that's it... thanks
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Dec 19 2014, 06:30
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lessfull
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For 2-3 days I'm getting about 20exp+10credits from first random boss fight (Daily one). (IMG:[ s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/rxc3v79mv/screenshot_1418963271.png) What's going on? There aren't any patches telling something about new daily RBF system..
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