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post Dec 9 2014, 17:25
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 23:59) *

There is no best setup as the best gears will not be available for us. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


Awesome word lol. And thanks for the advice.
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post Dec 9 2014, 17:27
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 22:59) *

Me, for example, I use holy set with prof factor 2.0 and I only use imperil on boss+ monster.

wat do u think about "magnet + 5 phase" vs "no magnet + 3phases 2 cottons" as a holy mage?
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post Dec 9 2014, 17:30
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 23:27) *

wat do u think about "magnet + 5 phase" vs "no magnet + 3phases 2 cottons" as a holy mage?

No idea, I only use magnet in TTT.
BTW, cotton is for stable damage but not for high peak damage. If you are going to use all debuff, 5 phase always give higher output.

Forgot to mentioned in the previous post. Mage at my level+ mostly weight WIS >= END > AGI >> INT

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post Dec 9 2014, 17:35
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 23:30) *

No idea, I only use magnet in TTT.
BTW, cotton is for stable damage but no high peak damage. If you are going to use all debuff, 5 phase always give higher output.

Yeah, exactly.
I ask this cuz wannaf says:

    3、for x20 dwd 5 phase holy/dark is best
    holy/dark mig=0 means much more dam than element.
    you still need imp to decrease the mmi and magnet for 100%counter-resist.
    so cr and dep prof here is useless.silence or weaken is useless too when your defend is enough.
    LHKD OR LDKD +5radiant phase is the best choise.
and i really want to see the comparison btwn 5+0 vs. 3+2 from a holy mage's (like you) point of view. (idk if he has a holy set)

QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 23:30) *

Forgot to mentioned in the previous post. Mage at my level+ mostly weight WIS >= END > AGI >> INT

What if all the pieces have Jug3~5? Coz i think magic score is important...

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post Dec 9 2014, 17:40
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 23:35) *

Yeah, exactly.
I ask this cuz wannaf says:

    3、for x20 dwd 5 phase holy/dark is best
    holy/dark mig=0 means much more dam than element.
    you still need imp to decrease the mmi and magnet for 100%counter-resist.
    so cr and dep prof here is useless.silence or weaken is useless too when your defend is enough.
    LHKD OR LDKD +5radiant phase is the best choise.
and i really want to see the comparison btwn 5+0 vs. 3+2 from a holy mage's (like you) point of view. (idk if he has a holy set)

For TTT, I think 5 phase is better.

For normal grinding, I use 4+1 with prof staff. It is because I do not need to look at the monsters' debuff icon so I can watch anime when playing HV.

5-10% less turns and mp/sp mean nothing to me if I cannot multi-task.

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What if all the pieces have Jug3~5? Coz i think magic score is important...

The effect of INT on damage output is rather low when you have more INT. You may prefer 1 less heal per 10 rounds.


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post Dec 9 2014, 17:52
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 8 2014, 22:24) *

-snip-

Well, if you can Crit in every turn, then of course Annihilator is better than Archmage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
My Crit Chance is 36.5%.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 9 2014, 02:50) *

too lazy. too poor. too much knowledge needed. not safe. too complicated - or if you prefer not facerolling enough. pick one or more than one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


1. I became a mage at Lv.250. Now I'm Lv.330+.
2. All of my armor pieces (except for 1) cost me less than 500k.
3. You know how much I earn in HV being a mage.

Now it's your call. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 18:52) *

-snip-

Full Phase is faster for regular Arenas only. While Proficiency Cotton mixed with Phase is ideal for SG Arenas, GF, RoB, and IW. Prove me wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

BTW, why only them? I thought every Lv.400+ player is Mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
To be more specific, you didn't include our only Lv.500 player's opinion. It was him, on whose suggestion I became an Elec Mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 20:24) *

from what i've heard, some top mages judge an edb staff like this: (based on their experiences)
EDB ~ INT >> MDB >>>>> Prof

Define "Top Mages". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 20:29) *

Any set can clear non-SG arena at your level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

True. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 20:29) *

There is no best setup as the best gears will not be available for us. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

One can still drop those "Best Gears" themselves... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)



Blah blah blah blah blah blah! I'll not be going into a deep discussion, since I'll become semi-retired from now on. (Until a heavy patch happens) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Dec 9 2014, 17:55
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 21:05) *

I ask this cuz wannaf says:

    3、for x20 dwd 5 phase holy/dark is best
    holy/dark mig=0 means much more dam than element.
    you still need imp to decrease the mmi and magnet for 100%counter-resist.
    so cr and dep prof here is useless.silence or weaken is useless too when your defend is enough.
    LHKD OR LDKD +5radiant phase is the best choise.

Magnet gives Counter Resist???? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Dec 9 2014, 18:01
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 9 2014, 23:40) *

The effect of INT on damage output is rather low when you have more INT. You may prefer 1 less heal per 10 rounds.

I see, thx!
top mages always have different thoughts and wat u said is really good info for me.
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post Dec 9 2014, 18:03
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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 23:55) *

Magnet gives Counter Resist???? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


Abilities MagNet.png
MagNet A net of pure energy ensnares the target, (slowing it by 25%) and making it unable to evade attacks or spells.

Slowing effect requires at least 1 AP investment.
Does not disable parrying.

250? 100?/700? 22 15/10 4/9


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can't confirm that by myself cuz i have no magnet yet

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post Dec 9 2014, 18:21
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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 16:52) *

BTW, why only them? I thought every Lv.400+ player is Mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

it's not always true that they use mage setup as primary set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 16:52) *

One can still drop those "Best Gears" themselves... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

yup. and i just have fucked scarlett johansson (twice) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 16:52) *

Blah blah blah blah blah blah! I'll not be going into a deep discussion, since I'll become semi-retired from now on. (Until a heavy patch happens) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

or other nice BC pieces will appear again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 9 2014, 19:03
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didn't know people actually uses magnet. i guess i need to grind more credits & get a better staff.
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post Dec 9 2014, 19:10
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Dec 9 2014, 18:03) *

didn't know people actually uses magnet. i guess i need to grind more credits & get a better staff.

neither did i.

while we're at it, is there something useful among blind, confuse and sleep?

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post Dec 9 2014, 19:50
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 21:33) *


Abilities MagNet.png
MagNet A net of pure energy ensnares the target, (slowing it by 25%) and making it unable to evade attacks or spells.

Slowing effect requires at least 1 AP investment.
Does not disable parrying.

250? 100?/700? 22 15/10 4/9


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can't confirm that by myself cuz i have no magnet yet

Anti-Evade and Counter-Resist are two very different things. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 9 2014, 21:51) *

it's not always true that they use mage setup as primary set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

PF-GF?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 9 2014, 21:51) *

yup. and i just have fucked scarlett johansson (twice) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Post a selfie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) [2]

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 9 2014, 21:51) *

or other nice BC pieces will appear again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You know me soooo well! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) [2]

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 9 2014, 22:40) *

while we're at it, is there something useful among blind, confuse and sleep?

Confuse and Sleep can be quite good in TT&T. Dunno about Blind.
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post Dec 9 2014, 20:00
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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 18:50) *

Post a selfie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) [2]

she doesn't want, and i promised her not to do so, otherwise there wouldn't have been a third time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 18:50) *

You know me soooo well! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) [2]

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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 18:50) *

Confuse and Sleep can be quite good in TT&T.

and they also share the same ability. i may give it a try...
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post Dec 9 2014, 20:00
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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 10 2014, 01:50) *

Anti-Evade and Counter-Resist are two very different things. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
You can assume magnet will give you 100% hit rate. As the old resist was another evade against magic, magnet also bypass it. Though it may be changed in the future patch as it is deviated from it description.
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Confuse and Sleep can be quite good in TT&T. Dunno about Blind.

Never used them. No idea. TTT is much easier than Hellfest so I dun think there is any need to use them if someone can farm token from GF.

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post Dec 9 2014, 22:24
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Thanks everybody for your help. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Apparently, everything is back to normal now. I didn't do anything, I wonder what happened (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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post Dec 9 2014, 23:54
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QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 9 2014, 02:02) *

Archmage is very good in a Destruction Staff, because of its ability to stack with Forging.


I don't think archmage or butcher stacks with forging. archmage/butcher is only calculated from base stats.

e.g. 1000 MDB staff with 5 archmage + max forging = 1000 MDB + 100 from archmage + 668.7 from forging.


QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 9 2014, 22:22) *

idk what the best setup is, but you may take a look at some top elemental mages. (Lv >= 400)

n125 (wind mage)
leg tempestuous ebony staff of destruction....


personally I think n125 has the best wind staff in HV, aside from peerless willow/redwood. It's raw stats is almost like a katalox staff. And it's not even fully forged. with full mdb forge, it can get another +3.3% MDB from what he has now. about 55MDB at my level.

QUOTE(djackallstar @ Dec 10 2014, 00:27) *

wat do u think about "magnet + 5 phase" vs "no magnet + 3phases 2 cottons" as a holy mage?


personally I think the arguments about how many cottons you use is moot once your score is high enough.

QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 10 2014, 00:52) *

Now it's your call. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Full Phase is faster for regular Arenas only. While Proficiency Cotton mixed with Phase is ideal for SG Arenas, GF, RoB, and IW. Prove me wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


full phase is better for SG arenas and RoB. but it's not that noticeable with optimally maxed prof.

and some people say cast speed > penetrator for GF, but I don't really know.

QUOTE(tetron @ Dec 10 2014, 00:55) *

Magnet gives Counter Resist???? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


debuffing a monster with magnet means that monster(s) cannot resist your spells.
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post Dec 10 2014, 00:11
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debuffing a monster with magnet means that monster(s) cannot resist your spells.


Wait, are you saying the resist doesn't work so they take 100% damage or are you saying if you cast dep spells they always hit?

It seems unclear now and seems like the resist mechanic won't work for damaging spells but I think it's only for dep spells.
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post Dec 10 2014, 00:14
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Wait, are you saying the resist doesn't work so they take 100% damage or are you saying if you cast dep spells they always hit?

It seems unclear now and seems like the resist mechanic won't work for damaging spells but I think it's only for dep spells.


Yes, they have no resist against any of your spells: both offense and debuff. So for the last round of DwD, cast magnet on the dragons. they can resist magnet though. once magnet sticks, I cast silence, imperil and go to town.
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post Dec 10 2014, 00:32
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Magnet for SG and Dragons. Its cool down is a bit annoying especially if it misses.
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