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post Nov 16 2014, 16:27
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 15:09) *

The wiki is inconvenient in this particular case! Sooooo confusing data, and even more confusing Scaling! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 16:15) *

Currently, I'm trying to make siphon health replace Regen (can't IA) and eliminate the need to maintain it every 60+ turns. However I still fail at Normal, siphon is so weak (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif).

Vampire is useless. And there is Focus to restore MP (Aside from Mana Theft). So I'm more interested in Banshee.

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 16:32) *

It only siphons the main target, so no.

Let's make a petition to add Siphon with Domino Strike! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 16 2014, 17:53) *

Then let me play with you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I only interested in one piece in this auction.

Be prepared, cause I fully am. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 16 2014, 17:58) *

Then that would make the original point mute, high parry with 1h means more dodging..

Then use Rapier of Nimble + Buckler of Nimble. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Nov 16 2014, 16:30
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 17 2014, 01:27) *

Then use Rapier of Nimble + Buckler of Nimble. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


Rapier of nimble would probably be ok, buckler doesn't really have the block I need.
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post Nov 16 2014, 16:45
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 23:27) *

Vampire is useless. And there is Focus to restore MP (Aside from Mana Theft). So I'm more interested in Banshee.

Let's make a petition to add Siphon with Domino Strike! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Already done (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Vote mine for the revival of 2H Aoe style (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 23:27) *

Then use Rapier of Nimble + Buckler of Nimble. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

The combine block and parry from BoN still worse than Force Shield, but better than Kite.
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post Nov 16 2014, 16:49
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 15:27) *

Vampire is useless. And there is Focus to restore MP (Aside from Mana Theft). So I'm more interested in Banshee.

mana theft is convenient only for mages, afaik. and for the same reason you told, melees can use spirit theft, afterall it's quite rare that ragnarok fails for two times in a row

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 15:45) *

The combine block and parry from BoN still worse than Force Shield, but better than Kite.

warning. shields/block stat can block magical attacks, rapiers/parry/nimble stats cannot

+1 for that petition though.
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post Nov 16 2014, 18:07
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 16 2014, 20:00) *

Rapier of nimble would probably be ok, buckler doesn't really have the block I need.

Okay, jokes apart, Buckler of Barrier also contain good block, though not as much as Force shield.

To maximize the defense, I recommend you to get Shielding Plate Boot. And about Parry, that's not an issue unless you're doing GF.

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 20:15) *

Already done (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Vote mine for the revival of 2H Aoe style (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Link please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 20:15) *

The combine block and parry from BoN still worse than Force Shield, but better than Kite.

BoN is useless. BoB and BoBC are the real deal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 20:19) *

mana theft is convenient only for Holy mages, afaik.

Fixed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 20:19) *

melees can use spirit theft, afterall it's quite rare that ragnarok fails for two times in a row

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post Nov 16 2014, 18:41
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 17:07) *

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what kind of strategy are you using? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

[edit]: also, do you mind to share your equip profs too? i'm quite curious...

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post Nov 16 2014, 19:04
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Has anyone ever tried wearing a full mithril power set with the lowest burden? According to my calculations, it would make a total burden of 42.7, not counting the weapons. Is it worth it, in terms of attack speed and evade?

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 17:07) *

BoN is useless. BoB and BoBC are the real deal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I should have asked here before buying one. Or just do the math. Oh well, I wanted to try a 1H/shade set.
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post Nov 16 2014, 19:16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 22:11) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
what kind of strategy are you using? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I run with "No Theft/Tap" policy (For both Mage AND Melee). Meaning, I keep Spirit Theft, Mana Theft and Ether Tap out of planning.

And I play like this:

Elec-Mage: Imperil all mob > T3/T2/T1 Elec spells.
1H-Power-Warding: Cast all supportive spells (except Shadow Veil) including Spark of Life, just in case some mob decides to crit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I Still don't have OFC (Dropped 10 Ponies myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) ), so my main damage comes from the near permanent Spirit Stance. And since I don't like Theft and Focus, I use Buckler of Battlecaster.


Now I primarily play Elec-Mage, and Imperil is truly heaven-sent! It lets me finish IWBTH-RE in ~10 seconds, and IWBTH-T&T in ~10 minutes. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

IWBTH-DwD however, is a different story. It takes ~45 minutes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . So I play DwD at Hell to get some trophies + a free token. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 22:11) *

[edit]: also, do you mind to share your equip profs too? i'm quite curious...

All 300+ except Staff, which is ~250. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (Sorry, can't provide screenshot right now since I have entered IW a few minutes ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
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post Nov 16 2014, 19:21
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Sharing a list I just compiled. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

List of Magnificent Mithril Power Slaughters

Helmet
Magnificent Mithril Power Helmet of Slaughter 2.42m

Armor
Magnificent Mithril Power Armor of Slaughter 180k

Gauntlets
Magnificent Mithril Power Gauntlets of Slaughter

Leggings
Magnificent Mithril Power Leggings of Slaughter 6.66m
Magnificent Mithril Power Leggings of Slaughter

Boots
Not Found.
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post Nov 16 2014, 19:27
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 22:34) *

Has anyone ever tried wearing a full mithril power set with the lowest burden? According to my calculations, it would make a total burden of 42.7, not counting the weapons. Is it worth it, in terms of attack speed and evade?
I should have asked here before buying one. Or just do the math. Oh well, I wanted to try a 1H/shade set.

You'll need full peerless set for that. Other than peerless, Mithril does not necessarily reduce the Burden by exactly 20%. Most of the time, the burden reduction is very low. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Kite shield is useless unless peerless, and Plate has very high Burden. They are the most suitable options for Mithril prefix.

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 22:34) *

I should have asked here before buying one. Or just do the math. Oh well, I wanted to try a 1H/shade set.

How much did you pay? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Nov 16 2014, 19:32
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 18:27) *

How much did you pay? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

300k for LMax Block & Parry.
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post Nov 16 2014, 19:33
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 17 2014, 01:07) *

Link please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You can join us in our trash bin for all Derpy-tied ideas that'll never see the light of... err... never mind. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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And since I don't like Theft and Focus, I use Buckler of Battlecaster.

Nice, someone will very cool ideas that's apart from common knowledge. Definitely give BoBC a try, Master Tetron. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 16 2014, 19:59
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 23:02) *

300k for LMax Block & Parry.

Are you talking about the Buckler from W's 4th Auction?

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 23:03) *

So many ideas. I wonder if Tneboro actually reads tham at all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 16 2014, 23:03) *

Nice, someone will very cool ideas that's apart from common knowledge. Definitely give BoBC a try, Master Tetron. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Let me warn you then. Good Buckler of Battlecaster (19% MC or higher + 22.5% or higher Block) is extremely rare. Even more than Leg grade Force Shields.

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post Nov 16 2014, 20:20
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 16 2014, 18:04) *

Has anyone ever tried wearing a full mithril power set with the lowest burden? According to my calculations, it would make a total burden of 42.7, not counting the weapons. Is it worth it, in terms of attack speed and evade?

i tested my usual power set by sharding the 4 heaviest gears and reached 45.2 BUR. mana cost is 151 (-17 than before), evade is 9.5 (+7 than before) and attack speed 5.7 (+2.2 than before). i didn't note big differences except the fact that ragnarok was failed to proc ripened soul an unusual high number of times, but it may be due to everything.
if i were you i'd go for as low as possible 'standard' powers (as you already do) and going for the savage prefix, if you have the chance.

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 18:16) *

I run with "No Theft/Tap" policy (For both Mage AND Melee). Meaning, I keep Spirit Theft, Mana Theft and Ether Tap out of planning.

And I play like this: 1H-Power-Warding: Cast all supportive spells (except Shadow Veil) including Spark of Life, just in case some mob decides to crit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I Still don't have OFC (Dropped 10 Ponies myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) ), so my main damage comes from the near permanent Spirit Stance. And since I don't like Theft and Focus, I use Buckler of Battlecaster.

i guess pack rat lv10 and something like 4~5 SP then, huh?
i don't use focus either; i have OFC but nowadays i use it almost only for REs, last rounds of higher arenas or IW rounds with 9+ mobs, just to do a bit of cleanup. i think that without it i may use another MP potion, but nothing impossible

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 18:59) *

So many ideas. I wonder if Tneboro actually reads tham at all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

yes, he does. or at least some of them

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post Nov 16 2014, 20:30
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 18:59) *

Are you talking about the Buckler from W's 4th Auction?

Yep.
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post Nov 16 2014, 21:01
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 23:50) *

i guess pack rat lv10 and something like 4~5 SP then, huh?

Yep. Max pack Rat.

Melee: 9 Mana potion + 6 Spirit Potion
Mage: 11 Mana potion + 4 Spirit Potion

What's your potion combo?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 23:50) *

i tested my usual power set by sharding the 4 heaviest gears and reached 45.2 BUR. mana cost is 151 (-17 than before), evade is 9.5 (+7 than before) and attack speed 5.7 (+2.2 than before). i didn't note big differences except the fact that ragnarok was failed to proc ripened soul an unusual high number of times, but it may be due to everything.
if i were you i'd go for as low as possible 'standard' powers (as you already do) and going for the savage prefix, if you have the chance.

So high interference is the main key to spirit theft? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 23:50) *

Now I'm curious. What are the notable features that has been implanted based on the idea from playerbase?

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 17 2014, 00:00) *

Yep.

Thought so.

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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 20:01) *

Yep. Max pack Rat.

Melee: 9 Mana potion + 6 Spirit Potion
Mage: 11 Mana potion + 4 Spirit Potion

What's your potion combo?

10 MP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 20:01) *

So high interference is the main key to spirit theft? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

don't really know. as i wrote before, it may only have been bad luck. sure is that i really haven't seen such a bad streak since the times i used disintegrate instead of ragnarok (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 16 2014, 20:01) *

Now I'm curious. What are the notable features that has been implanted based on the idea from playerbase?

oh, absolutely no clue. and too lazy to check the last post made by him in that thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
but at least we know that he actually read (or used to read) that topic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 16 2014, 21:49
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I was just doing IW for this weapon:

Magnificent Shocking Redwood Staff of Destruction

I got Economizer + Penetrator Combo in the 1st run, one more Economizer in the 2nd run, and then a Archmage popped out!

I'm planning to forge it's MDB 100 times. So I want to know how good Archmage is gonna be. Does it stack with forging similar to Butcher?
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post Nov 17 2014, 00:11
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PF FSM and all i got was this lousy [Superior Cobalt Cotton Robe of the Demon-fiend] (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Nov 17 2014, 00:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 16 2014, 23:11) *

PF FSM and all i got was this lousy [Superior Cobalt Cotton Robe of the Demon-fiend] (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Now to confirm that TT&T has better roll, I'll say that got the same as you but an exquisite one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
just finished it, it's disgusting...
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