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post Nov 8 2014, 17:40
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QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 8 2014, 16:36) *

dunno if this one's right or not, but... NECROMANCY (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

interesting. so between, let's say a Leg MMax force shield and a Mag MMax force shield it's better to forge the latter because it requires less expensive pieces
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post Nov 8 2014, 18:27
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 02:17) *

right. yours was MMax, according to math. 1 point more. maybe i should've really bidded on it while i still could (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good....
Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield....
Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Nov 8 2014, 18:49
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 17:27) *

Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good....
Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield....
Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I'd say that dampening is viable too, since it adds crushing mitigation that heavy lacks a little...
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post Nov 8 2014, 18:50
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 17:27) *

Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good....
Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield....
Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

the one you just won is M+1; the one you owned and already upgraded was M. where does that +3 come out from? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Nov 8 2014, 18:56
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 03:50) *

the one you just won is M+1; the one you owned and already upgraded was M. where does that +3 come out from? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


The one I own is L-0.5? I think around about which is..... 38 like you said, the one I won was M+1 but it 41?
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:05
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uh... erm, let's start again.

wiki says MMax is ~34 and LMax is 37, so MMax+3. EMax is ~33, but not so useful here

the shield you just won at W's auction is ~35, so M+1 (or E+2 = L-2, if you prefer)

the shield you own now is P+9 but according to this formula it was... 36.7, so ~L. yep
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:14
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:05) *

uh... erm, let's start again.

wiki says MMax is ~34 and LMax is 37, so MMax+3. EMax is ~33, but not so useful here

the shield you just won at W's auction is ~35, so M+1 (or E+2 = L-2, if you prefer)

the shield you own now is P+9 but according to this formula it was... 36.7, so ~L. yep


But doesn't the deflection give it bonus block making it's base still better then the one I have right now?
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:15
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 9 2014, 00:56) *

-snip-

For a force shield:
  • Lmax BLK = 37.01%
  • Mmax BLK = 33.92%
  • Emax BLK = 32.87%

The unforged base BLK of your old force shield is 36.91%.
The unforged base BLK of your new force shield is 34.95%.

That's all you need to know.
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:19
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:14) *

But doesn't the deflection give it bonus block making it's base still better then the one I have right now?

no. deflection only adds piercing mitigation, which is one of the specific physical ones. it would be good for someone using leather/shade. just saying, in a similar way we can say 'of the fire-eater' suffix/ruby prefix would add fire mitigation, which is one of the specific warding ones.
but to add block you'd need an hypothetical 'of the barrier' suffix - which isn't available for force shields
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:20
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:19) *

no. deflection only adds piercing mitigation, which is one of the specific physical ones. it would be good for someone using leather/shade. just saying, in a similar way we can say 'of the fire-eater' suffix/ruby prefix would add fire mitigation, which is one of the specific warding ones.
but to add block you'd need an hypothetical 'of the barrier' suffix - which isn't available for force shields


Welp I'm retarded and shouldn't have bought the shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Should have just bought the helmet for your Christmas present. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:22
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:20) *

Welp I'm retarded and shouldn't have bought the shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Should have just bought the helmet for your Christmas present. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you can still gift me with the shield, it will be much appreciated. maybe even more, i'd say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i already did the math and comparing it with my current one (plus the matrixes i'd gain from salvaging it) it'd raise my block by 3 or 4 points (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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post Nov 8 2014, 19:23
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:22) *

you can still gift me with the shield, it will be much appreciated. maybe even more, i'd say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Mate, I'll spend 500k easy on someone but 2.2m is pushing it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:25
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:23) *

Mate, I'll spend 500k easy on someone but 2.2m is pushing it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

mmm... 1M then?
what's the price of HG wood nowadays, btw?
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:25) *

mmm... 1M then?
what's the price of HG wood nowadays, btw?


1m is still pushing it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
and 6k? around abouts.
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:29
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:26) *

1m is still pushing it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
and 6k? around abouts.

so, what may be a good price? consider that you need also someone who will teach you not to spend your credits so easily, mine was more a favor i did to you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

dani is selling at 10k, so i guess 8k at wtb may be a decent price...
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:29) *

so, what may be a good price? consider that you need also someone who will teach you not to spend your credits so easily, mine was more a favor i did to you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

dani is selling at 10k, so i guess 8k at wtb may be a decent price...


I bought them at 6k a bit ago.....

I don't know I kind of had malkatmp as an auction adviser but got caught up in an impulsive buy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) (also the fact that I kind of out leveled him.....)

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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:31) *

I bought them at 6k a bit ago.....

I don't know I kind of had malkatmp as an auction adviser but got caught up in an impulsive buy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

and i didn't see it before your last bid, otherwise i would've told you. though there's always the second best bidder for 2M...
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:37
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:32) *

and i didn't see it before your last bid, otherwise i would've told you. though there's always the second best bidder for 2M...


I'll just IW and send it to dream with a start of 2m probs
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:40
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:37) *

I'll just IW and send it to dream with a start of 2m probs

aim for holy as much as possible. dark and fire tolerable too
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post Nov 8 2014, 19:48
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:40) *

aim for holy as much as possible. dark and fire tolerable too


You've seen my luck.... sometimes it's good like with most of the armors I sent you (all those were first run IW) sometimes it's bad like with this helmet I've run through like 10+ times looking for jug 5
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