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Nov 8 2014, 17:40
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kumosu @ Nov 8 2014, 16:36)  dunno if this one's right or not, but... NECROMANCY (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) interesting. so between, let's say a Leg MMax force shield and a Mag MMax force shield it's better to forge the latter because it requires less expensive pieces
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Nov 8 2014, 18:27
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 02:17)  right. yours was MMax, according to math. 1 point more. maybe i should've really bidded on it while i still could (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good.... Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield.... Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by TygerTyger: Nov 8 2014, 18:29
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Nov 8 2014, 18:49
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boulay
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 17:27)  Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good.... Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield.... Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'd say that dampening is viable too, since it adds crushing mitigation that heavy lacks a little...
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Nov 8 2014, 18:50
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 17:27)  Yeah so deflection force is better then plain force.... good.... Means that shield in the auction is +3? more block.... don't know why it went for so cheap..... its literally better than a plain leg force block shield.... Though there was one in komica's which was a leg force Lmax deflection block shield..... only went for 7.5m..... I think it's cheaper then the one i have right now.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Goes to show that people are too busy checking if It's MMAX or LMAX to care about the actual stats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) the one you just won is M+1; the one you owned and already upgraded was M. where does that +3 come out from? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Nov 8 2014, 18:56
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 03:50)  the one you just won is M+1; the one you owned and already upgraded was M. where does that +3 come out from? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) The one I own is L-0.5? I think around about which is..... 38 like you said, the one I won was M+1 but it 41?
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Nov 8 2014, 19:05
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Cleavs
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uh... erm, let's start again. wiki says MMax is ~34 and LMax is 37, so MMax+3. EMax is ~33, but not so useful here the shield you just won at W's auction is ~35, so M+1 (or E+2 = L-2, if you prefer) the shield you own now is P+9 but according to this formula it was... 36.7, so ~L. yep
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Nov 8 2014, 19:14
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:05)  uh... erm, let's start again. wiki says MMax is ~34 and LMax is 37, so MMax+3. EMax is ~33, but not so useful here the shield you just won at W's auction is ~35, so M+1 (or E+2 = L-2, if you prefer) the shield you own now is P+9 but according to this formula it was... 36.7, so ~L. yep But doesn't the deflection give it bonus block making it's base still better then the one I have right now?
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Nov 8 2014, 19:15
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djackallstar
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 9 2014, 00:56)  -snip-
For a force shield: - Lmax BLK = 37.01%
- Mmax BLK = 33.92%
- Emax BLK = 32.87%
The unforged base BLK of your old force shield is 36.91%. The unforged base BLK of your new force shield is 34.95%. That's all you need to know.
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Nov 8 2014, 19:19
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:14)  But doesn't the deflection give it bonus block making it's base still better then the one I have right now?
no. deflection only adds piercing mitigation, which is one of the specific physical ones. it would be good for someone using leather/shade. just saying, in a similar way we can say 'of the fire-eater' suffix/ruby prefix would add fire mitigation, which is one of the specific warding ones. but to add block you'd need an hypothetical 'of the barrier' suffix - which isn't available for force shields
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Nov 8 2014, 19:20
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:19)  no. deflection only adds piercing mitigation, which is one of the specific physical ones. it would be good for someone using leather/shade. just saying, in a similar way we can say 'of the fire-eater' suffix/ruby prefix would add fire mitigation, which is one of the specific warding ones. but to add block you'd need an hypothetical 'of the barrier' suffix - which isn't available for force shields
Welp I'm retarded and shouldn't have bought the shield (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Should have just bought the helmet for your Christmas present. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 8 2014, 19:25
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:23)  Mate, I'll spend 500k easy on someone but 2.2m is pushing it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) mmm... 1M then? what's the price of HG wood nowadays, btw?
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Nov 8 2014, 19:26
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:25)  mmm... 1M then? what's the price of HG wood nowadays, btw?
1m is still pushing it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and 6k? around abouts.
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Nov 8 2014, 19:29
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:26)  1m is still pushing it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and 6k? around abouts. so, what may be a good price? consider that you need also someone who will teach you not to spend your credits so easily, mine was more a favor i did to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) dani is selling at 10k, so i guess 8k at wtb may be a decent price...
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Nov 8 2014, 19:31
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:29)  so, what may be a good price? consider that you need also someone who will teach you not to spend your credits so easily, mine was more a favor i did to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) dani is selling at 10k, so i guess 8k at wtb may be a decent price... I bought them at 6k a bit ago..... I don't know I kind of had malkatmp as an auction adviser but got caught up in an impulsive buy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) (also the fact that I kind of out leveled him.....) This post has been edited by TygerTyger: Nov 8 2014, 19:32
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Nov 8 2014, 19:32
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:31)  I bought them at 6k a bit ago..... I don't know I kind of had malkatmp as an auction adviser but got caught up in an impulsive buy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) and i didn't see it before your last bid, otherwise i would've told you. though there's always the second best bidder for 2M...
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Nov 8 2014, 19:37
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:32)  and i didn't see it before your last bid, otherwise i would've told you. though there's always the second best bidder for 2M...
I'll just IW and send it to dream with a start of 2m probs
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Nov 8 2014, 19:40
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Nov 8 2014, 18:37)  I'll just IW and send it to dream with a start of 2m probs
aim for holy as much as possible. dark and fire tolerable too
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Nov 8 2014, 19:48
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:40)  aim for holy as much as possible. dark and fire tolerable too
You've seen my luck.... sometimes it's good like with most of the armors I sent you (all those were first run IW) sometimes it's bad like with this helmet I've run through like 10+ times looking for jug 5
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