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post Oct 21 2014, 17:57
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 22 2014, 01:15) *

I do not have good gears. I think yours are better than mine.
BTW, I have already lent my best gears to someone.


My gear is shit compared to you high leveled players/pros (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Oct 21 2014, 17:58
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 17:15) *

I do not have good gears. I think yours are better than mine.
BTW, I have already lent my best gears to someone.

you know you can ask them back whenever you want, right?
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post Oct 21 2014, 17:58
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Oct 21 2014, 16:23) *

Let me know what you find. I don't have a slaughter set, but I expect 2H will still be slower than exq maging.

this set lets me clear PFUDOR Trio Tree in approx 30 minutes.
Magnificent ethereal estoc of slaughter
Magnificent amber plate helmet of protection
Magnificent power armor of slaughter
Magnificent plate gauntlets of protection
Magnificent plate greaves of protection
Peerless cobalt plate sabatons of deflection
as for stats, 6000 attack damage, 34,2% parry and 76,6%/67,3% phys/mag mitigation.

In comparison, i can't clear above hell in my magnificent phase set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .
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post Oct 21 2014, 18:32
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Oct 22 2014, 00:31) *

May i see the battle log of counter attack please?

Here's an example I did just now.

10 18 You counter Robert Haydn for 14643 points of void damage.
10 17 Robert Haydn uses Ideal treasures. You block the attack.

10 13 You counter Legendary Dick Of Donm for 15111 points of void damage.
10 12 You block the attack from Legendary Dick Of Donm.

10 5 You counter Tsubomi Hanasaki for 14025 points of void damage.
10 4 You parry the attack from Tsubomi Hanasaki.

9 6 You counter Brutallus for 15152 points of void damage.
9 5 Brutallus uses Bone crusher. You block the attack.
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post Oct 21 2014, 18:35
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 21 2014, 18:32) *

10 5 You counter Tsubomi Hanasaki for 14025 points of void damage.
10 4 You parry the attack from Tsubomi Hanasaki.

so, counter may proc even from parry? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Oct 21 2014, 18:36
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 21 2014, 08:16) *

Q1: Is a staff with non-matching prefix and suffix completely worthless even it is Leg+?

Q2: Ethereal Staves
2-1. In what situations can an ethereal staff be useful? Or is it totally worthless?
2-2. What's the best suffix to have for an ethereal staff and why?

Q3: Who needs a "of Focus" staff?

Q4: Damage vs. Proficiency
Which staff suffix is better and why, "Heimdall" or "the Heaven-sent"?

Q5: When it comes to the staff suffix rankings of popularity, is the following correct?
Heaven-sent > Elementalist > Demon-fiend > Curse-weaver > Earth-walker

Q6: Does the match of prefix and suffix of a piece of cloth armor add any bonus to its sale price?
This is the armor I'm talking about.
And can you give a price estimate of it?

Thanks! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

1. If both prefix AND suffix is mis-matching, then it's shit. Ethereal is a bit less useless than this scenario, but that doesn't make any notable difference.

2-1. Well, I used to play with a Ethereal Staff as first when I became a mage. There is only a little bit of evade bonus, but it's firepower is much less than regular staffs. However, Peerless staffs can be exceptions to this scenario if they have correct Suffix.

2-2. Matching suffix, that's all. The firepower is already reduced due to the Ethereal Prefix, and you wouldn't want to reduce it further, would you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

3. There is only 2 benefits of focus staffs:
1> Highest Crit Chance. But it's still not enough to make up for the lack of firepower.
2> You can get Penatrator Lv.5 + Spellweaver Lv.4 (A pretty important potency for long run). A combo which is not very useful on regular Staffs (due to the lack of Economizer).

4. Both are equal on their own terms and require very different strategies for maximum optimization. (Which is too long even for me to type right now!)

QUOTE(gc00018 @ Oct 21 2014, 10:15) *

Becaue Gf is cap at 1000, there is no way to bring element mages' adventages into full use.

What do you mean by that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 21 2014, 18:59) *

Q1:
Exquisite Mystic Phase
???: ???k ~ ???k
???: ???k ~ ???k

Q2:
Exquisite Prefixless Phase
Here are some of my pieces of phase armor:
Exquisite Phase Gloves of Niflheim 2 PABs (INT, WIS), Emax EDB/Evade.
Exquisite Phase Gloves of Freyr 2 PABs (INT, WIS), Emax EDB/Evade/Resist/PMI.
Exquisite Phase Gloves of Fenrir 2 PABs (WIS, AGI), Emax EDB/Evade/Resist/MMI/AAC, without INT. >_>
Exquisite Phase Shoes of Heimdall 2 PABs (INT, WIS), Emax EDB/Evade/Resist/WIS/Magic Accuracy.
Is it true that Emax EDB/Evade is nothing special for an Exquisite phase armor? They seem to be spawned quite often.
And, if you please, can you give some price estimates of the above pieces?

Thanks!

Exquisite Radiant with 3pab can be pretty good if you're a mage with low budget, since it can compensate the lack of firepower in exquisite phase with the MDB it gives, which can rival even those of the non-radiant Leg grade phase.
The Mystic prefix is like a coin toss, if you can crit, you do good, if you don't crit, it's useless. So it doesn't get much market value.
Frugal is always good. But the main reason of it's comparatively lower price is because it's widely available.

3PAB Exquisite without prefix = Shit
2PAB Exquisite without Radiant prefix = Shit

Emax EDB and Evade is nothing special, really (Since they are very common). Mmax+ MDB and INT & WIS are far more returning when you consider forging.


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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 19:57) *

I do not have a good shade set yet. And I do not have good ethereal 2H weapons.
For weapon, I have try all three. Only estoc give reasonable speed at PF.
For armor, I have try plate, power and leather. Power of protection seems to be the best. However, it is still slow and do not give much protection @ PF. Leather (10~20 forges each) is safer, but the speed........
Full plate set is time to retire. Plate have to mix with power nowadays.

P.S. All weapons have 5 forged.
P.S.2: I use PFest for test runs.

2H IS dead! I wish it gets a buff soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 19:57) *

BTW, I think I will retire until the next patch. No motivation to play HV recently. I play a few arena per days at most in the past few days.

And you still drop leg grade equips like popcorn. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(rawrpies @ Oct 21 2014, 21:28) *

this set lets me clear PFUDOR Trio Tree in approx 30 minutes.
Magnificent ethereal estoc of slaughter
Magnificent amber plate helmet of protection
Magnificent power armor of slaughter
Magnificent plate gauntlets of protection
Magnificent plate greaves of protection
Peerless cobalt plate sabatons of deflection
as for stats, 6000 attack damage, 34,2% parry and 76,6%/67,3% phys/mag mitigation.

In comparison, i can't clear above hell in my magnificent phase set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .

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post Oct 21 2014, 18:43
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 22 2014, 01:35) *

so, counter may proc even from parry? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Yep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 21 2014, 18:55
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i have a PL750 dragonkin and PL530 giant.

should i focus on getting the PL750 dragonkin to PL1000

or the PL530 giant to PL750?
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post Oct 21 2014, 18:56
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 21 2014, 18:43) *

lol, i had it under my nose for all this time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
oh well, another good reason to forge parry i'd say
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post Oct 21 2014, 18:56
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QUOTE(rawrpies @ Oct 21 2014, 23:58) *

this set lets me clear PFUDOR Trio Tree in approx 30 minutes.
Magnificent ethereal estoc of slaughter
Magnificent amber plate helmet of protection
Magnificent power armor of slaughter
Magnificent plate gauntlets of protection
Magnificent plate greaves of protection
Peerless cobalt plate sabatons of deflection
as for stats, 6000 attack damage, 34,2% parry and 76,6%/67,3% phys/mag mitigation.

In comparison, i can't clear above hell in my magnificent phase set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .

My 1H power slaughter set can clear T&T ~ 18 minutes.
My exq holy set require ~15 minutes.
My random cold/elec set also require ~15 minutes.
My Mag holy set require ~11 minutes.

Lazy to link the armors. Weapon/shield is in my signature.

BTW, Mag phase does not mean better than exq phase. And I have tested many combination of non-forged phase and I am very sure prof factor is more important than EDB. So, I always have 1+ cotton in my sets.


tetron:
I haven't got Leg drop for some time (lazy to check too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). The stuff I sold in auction was from long time ago.

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post Oct 21 2014, 19:00
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Oct 21 2014, 18:55) *

i have a PL750 dragonkin and PL530 giant.

should i focus on getting the PL750 dragonkin to PL1000

or the PL530 giant to PL750?

I'd say raise the Dragonkin. It's overall base stats are better and it should give better win/kill chances.
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post Oct 21 2014, 19:19
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 21 2014, 09:32) *

Here's an example I did just now.

10 18 You counter Robert Haydn for 14643 points of void damage.
10 17 Robert Haydn uses Ideal treasures. You block the attack.

10 13 You counter Legendary Dick Of Donm for 15111 points of void damage.
10 12 You block the attack from Legendary Dick Of Donm.

10 5 You counter Tsubomi Hanasaki for 14025 points of void damage.
10 4 You parry the attack from Tsubomi Hanasaki.

9 6 You counter Brutallus for 15152 points of void damage.
9 5 Brutallus uses Bone crusher. You block the attack.

Thanks, but i prefer sample in 1-2 simultaneous turns rather than these 2 line examples (sorry for being dicky). I wanted to know the combat situation with the counter & stun procs, especially when encounter 10 mobs. Reading the wiki isn't enough, it even doesn't give information that mobs parry prevent splash - not only evade.

Edit: Nvm, maxleveling mobs with magic attack can be more effective though, against players who go full physical defense.

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post Oct 21 2014, 19:34
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Oct 22 2014, 00:55) *

i have a PL750 dragonkin and PL530 giant.

should i focus on getting the PL750 dragonkin to PL1000

or the PL530 giant to PL750?

Make one to PL 1030+, any one is alright.
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post Oct 21 2014, 19:44
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why PL 1030?
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post Oct 21 2014, 19:51
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Greetings

A quick question.

Situation Difficulty has increased at nightmare level . Monsters have there spirit abilty unlocked .
Was saved most times using spark of life. this begs me to think of a question regarding wiki hentai verse advice section on substandard abilites . i have invested in better spark of life .

I am wondering which other abilities i should choose from sub standard section specifically absorb and weaken.
Since i left them

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post Oct 21 2014, 20:03
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 22:26) *

My 1H power slaughter set can clear T&T ~ 18 minutes.
My exq holy set require ~15 minutes.
My random cold/elec set also require ~15 minutes.
My Mag holy set require ~11 minutes.

Your Mag Holy set is forged, right?

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 22:26) *

BTW, Mag phase does not mean better than exq phase. And I have tested many combination of non-forged phase and I am very sure prof factor is more important than EDB. So, I always have 1+ cotton in my sets.

This I totally agree with. It's super effective! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 22:26) *

I haven't got Leg drop for some time (lazy to check too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). The stuff I sold in auction was from long time ago.

I see. I too have lost my magic leather drops. Never thought I'd miss them! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post Oct 21 2014, 20:12
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Oct 22 2014, 01:44) *

why PL 1030?

The appearing chance seems to very different for PL 1000 and PL 1030. Source: my monsters.

QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 22 2014, 02:03) *

Your Mag Holy set is forged, right?
This I totally agree with. It's super effective! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I see. I too have lost my magic leather drops. Never thought I'd miss them! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

5 forges each
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post Oct 21 2014, 20:22
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Oct 21 2014, 19:51) *

Greetings

A quick question.

Situation Difficulty has increased at nightmare level . Monsters have there spirit abilty unlocked .
Was saved most times using spark of life. this begs me to think of a question regarding wiki hentai verse advice section on substandard abilites . i have invested in better spark of life .

I am wondering which other abilities i should choose from sub standard section specifically absorb and weaken.
Since i left them

thankyou

haste, protection, regen, heartseeker (try to use the last two with spirit stance/channelling as much as possible). shadow veil + ethereal weapon too

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post Oct 21 2014, 20:24
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 23:42) *

The appearing chance seems to very different for PL 1000 and PL 1030. Source: my monsters.

This makes me interested. How many monster do you own? and how many of them are PL 1000+?

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 21 2014, 23:42) *

The appearing chance seems to very different for PL 1000 and PL 1030. Source: my monsters.
5 forges each

Oh that. I get it.
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post Oct 21 2014, 21:07
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 22 2014, 02:24) *

This makes me interested. How many monster do you own? and how many of them are PL 1000+?

34 monsters, only 5 PL 1000+. I planed to have more but I'm lazy to grind.
You can see Jenga monster database (I lost the link) for their PL. Though it is not up to date, it should be around there.

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