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post Oct 16 2014, 05:09
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QUOTE(n125 @ Oct 16 2014, 11:03) *

Mage set ups are relatively cookie-cutter so there's not really much to discuss.


Eh no, there's the full edb (phase) build, the prof (cotton) build, stronger cure build (holy edb), with staff there's destruction(mdb) vs elemental suffix(edb). Also, since phazons are freaking so expensive and very unavailable, you'd need an actual plan to collect and use them. For instance, I notice that using hallowed staves or one minor (boots, hands) heimdall piece in my wind set actually makes pfudor runs faster, since I spend like much less time to spam cure.

The standard full phase + destruction staff is too outdated now, and not always optimal.

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post Oct 16 2014, 05:48
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Well holy_demon I'm kind of at a loss at the moment. I'm also not sure what mdb and edb are. I can't really do well on anything above hard currently. My build was posted on pg2895. What would you recommend focusing on? The whole use for crafting materials is also still alien to me. don't recall then being that useful before. I also noticed spells have proficiency requirements now. Is there a good way to grind those?

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post Oct 16 2014, 06:17
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QUOTE(Alex68785 @ Oct 16 2014, 11:48) *

Well holy_demon I'm kind of at a loss at the moment. I'm also not sure what mdb and edb are. I can't really do well on anything above hard currently. My build was posted on pg2895. What would you recommend focusing on? The whole use for crafting materials is also still alien to me. don't recall then being that useful before. I also noticed spells have proficiency requirements now. Is there a good way to grind those?

Mage really need the third spell. In addition, proficiency factor (proficiency / monster level) is also important. It is the main reason that low level player are not recommended to play as mage beside the gear selection issue.

Some low level mage tried 200 prof build and it can still go as well as 5 phase build. You may try. It is cheaper.

MDB: magic damage bonus, affecting your magic base damage on the right panel
EDB: the Spell Damage Bonus of a specific element (in percentage), the sum is shown on the right panel (scroll down)

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post Oct 16 2014, 08:27
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 15 2014, 23:17) *
Some low level mage tried 200 prof build and it can still go as well as 5 phase build. You may try. It is cheaper.

Take it with a grain of salt. a low level can't exactly test this against Kodou Yuki or the GC legion. My calculations from awhile ago showed all prof build is a good deal worse than all phase. I suspect the best build might be phase with some beast prof shoes. Someone with FOS should try to acquire peerless elementalist shoes and test it out.
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post Oct 16 2014, 10:14
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Oct 16 2014, 14:27) *

Take it with a grain of salt. a low level can't exactly test this against Kodou Yuki or the GC legion. My calculations from awhile ago showed all prof build is a good deal worse than all phase. I suspect the best build might be phase with some beast prof shoes. Someone with FOS should try to acquire peerless elementalist shoes and test it out.

If you also consider the cost, prof set is more cost effective. And you can always swap the prof piece with EDB piece when you have the fund.
Useful phase is just too expensive. I cannot even complete my not so worth-forging holy set for ~4 months time and credits.

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post Oct 16 2014, 15:16
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 15 2014, 22:14) *

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post Oct 16 2014, 15:43
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What exactly would I be looking for for a "useful phase" piece? All of my current gear is phase of mjolnir
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post Oct 16 2014, 15:49
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QUOTE(Alex68785 @ Oct 16 2014, 15:43) *

What exactly would I be looking for for a "useful phase" piece? All of my current gear is phase of mjolnir

i guess something with high EDB, evade, INT, WIS and possibly AGI. magic accuracy is appreciated as well. mitigations don't matter so much but obviously they are a bonus too
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post Oct 16 2014, 17:03
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Oct 16 2014, 21:16) *

Getting on the popular bandwagon is always expensive.

The cost of a useful holy set and elemental set is like 25m and 40m respectively. The different is huge, but both are not affordable by common mid-level players.
So a more realistic solution is to use as much high quality cotton as possible, and mix some common phase into the set after the prof factor maxed.

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post Oct 16 2014, 19:51
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Oct 15 2014, 06:49) *

there's no name, it's an inline script, though I don't think it addresses your problem
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Thanks. I'll try it out.

QUOTE(exisence @ Oct 15 2014, 07:39) *

When someone mentioned that iron v27 & v28 is much better than any v32+ i got curious, since i use newest one and it is pretty damn fast, i had no choice but try it out. I did download v28 portable and well.
It was awfull. I was getting 2 t/s and reloading icon was indeed a bit annoying.
I don't really want to try it out anymore..

My advice would be:
1. download newest [www.srware.net] iron portable
2. do not install tempermonkey, it will slow you down, just open extensions and drop .js scripts.
3. only enable scripts that you use that you need, some will slow you down, you can easly check which ones are bad for speed simply by trying with and without them
4. no point installing any other scripts, like adblock, it will automatically slow you down
5. when you open hentaiverse in iron go to windows process, and change chrome priority to highest
6. i am using vpn, and if you by any chance use as well, netherlands is the best for hv
7. with those steps i get something like this
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8. ah, it is obviously good idea to use script like HV Keybinds, with it you will only have to click o/p for mana/spirit potions.

i am not sure if k-meleon is better or worse but at first glance i wasn't able to install scripts so did not check it out

Hmm. So you're saying that Iron 32+ is faster than Iron 28? Also, does Iron 32+ have the option to install userscripts directly?

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Oct 15 2014, 12:48) *

Thanks, but what I wanted was to stop the blinking of the Monster Panes. Not the status icons. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Oct 16 2014, 08:39) *

Eh no, there's the full edb (phase) build, the prof (cotton) build, stronger cure build (holy edb), with staff there's destruction(mdb) vs elemental suffix(edb). Also, since phazons are freaking so expensive and very unavailable, you'd need an actual plan to collect and use them. For instance, I notice that using hallowed staves or one minor (boots, hands) heimdall piece in my wind set actually makes pfudor runs faster, since I spend like much less time to spam cure.

The standard full phase + destruction staff is too outdated now, and not always optimal.

Nice info. Gotta try it. But this post makes me wonder: Is having one piece of Heimdall-Phase faster than Full-Phase/Mixed combo in BT and IWBTH?

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 16 2014, 09:47) *

Some low level mage tried 200 prof build and it can still go as well as 5 phase build.

Y.E.S.! That fact is TOO DAMN TRUE! Reason? Here:

1. Legendary grade Cotton of Proficiency is much more cheaper than Legendary grade Phase, there is a Heaven & Hell difference in their price.
2. Cotton does not require the Rich Players Only costly item Crystalized Phazon, so it's much more cheaper to forge and can easily have more defense than Phase. When you have more defense, you spend less time casting Cure.
3. Full Cotton grants you a ridiculous amount of Counter-Resist AND the same amount of Mitigation Reduction. You can think of it like this: "Every monster at the start of each round automatically loses half of their defense!"
4. Full Cotton allows you to use the lowest Mana Cost for Offensive Spells.
5. Cotton also have much more durability than Phase. Meaning, unlike Phase, they does not require you to Repair them each day (Which is mandatory for Phase, unless you have the "Repair Bear" Hath Perk). This was the main reason I went for full cotton build at the start.

The above facts are intended for low level or poor players. Only downside of this build is that it lacks firepower (very much). So a combination of Cotton (To reduce the Monster defenses) + Phase (for pure firepower) is the best option.

btw, were you talking about me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Oct 16 2014, 11:57) *

Take it with a grain of salt. a low level can't exactly test this against Kodou Yuki or the GC legion.

I've tested it for quite some time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) It's just as effective on "Kodou Yuki" AND "Memory of ..." as any other monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Oct 16 2014, 11:57) *

I suspect the best build might be phase with some beast prof shoes.

FYI, Robe is the 1st (and best) choice for a Proficiency-Cotton. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Oct 16 2014, 11:57) *

Someone with FOS should try to acquire peerless elementalist shoes and test it out.

Peerless is Peerless. No arguing! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 16 2014, 20:33) *

The cost of a useful holy set and elemental set is like 25m and 40m respectively. The different is huge, but both are not affordable by common mid-level players.

This reminds me how poor I am! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 16 2014, 20:33) *

So a more realistic solution is to use as much high quality cotton as possible, and mix some common phase into the set after the prof factor maxed.

You said it all!

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post Oct 16 2014, 20:45
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Greetings .

A quick question .

Very early in the game when i was not active on the forums . I invested 1 point in training scavenger in order to start getting equipment but later i checked wiki to educate myself and found out that it affects the artifact drop role and to counter it i should train archaeologist since the ratio is 5% scavenger to 10 % archaeologist per 1 point . My dielemma is that according to the loot drop roles on wiki training archaeologist effects the token generation rate so i want to ask is

1) Should i train 1 point of archaeologist or not ?

2) How much effect will1 point scavenger and 1 point archaeologist will have on token drop [without any perks ] in general?

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post Oct 16 2014, 21:00
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 16 2014, 12:51) *
I've tested it for quite some time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) It's just as effective on "Kodou Yuki" AND "Memory of ..." as any other monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How many attacks does it take to kill Kodou Yuki? With and without Imperil. And what magic type?

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post Oct 16 2014, 21:05
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 16 2014, 19:51) *

Thanks, but what I wanted was to stop the blinking of the Monster Panes. Not the status icons. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

In that case, you can try nihilvoid's Reloader script. Since it uses AJAX to dynamically update elements on the page, the page isn't reloaded after each action, so you won't have that blinking. It also speeds up rendering time. Note that you have to work a bit to use other battle scripts with it (ie you have to paste the code inside it at the right places).

Or you can use the Reloader I use, already packed with a few scripts. Remember to disable other battle scripts if you do.
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Oct 16 2014, 20:45) *

Greetings .

A quick question .

Very early in the game when i was not active on the forums . I invested 1 point in training scavenger in order to start getting equipment but later i checked wiki to educate myself and found out that it affects the artifact drop role and to counter it i should train archaeologist since the ratio is 5% scavenger to 10 % archaeologist per 1 point . My dielemma is that according to the loot drop roles on wiki training archaeologist effects the token generation rate so i want to ask is

1) Should i train 1 point of archaeologist or not ?

2) How much effect will1 point scavenger and 1 point archaeologist will have on token drop [without any perks ] in general?

Thankyou (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The impact is negligible. Do whatever you want. Also, Scavenger increases the drop rate for everything without affecting the ratio of the stuff you can get. Didn't you mean Quartermaster instead?

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post Oct 16 2014, 21:13
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Oct 16 2014, 21:05) *

The impact is negligible. Do whatever you want. Also, Scavenger increases the drop rate for everything without affecting the ratio of the stuff you can get. Didn't you mean Quartermaster instead?


yes quarter master * face palms gently * . Thankyou for correcting the mistake

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post Oct 16 2014, 21:54
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Oct 17 2014, 00:30) *

How many attacks does it take to kill Kodou Yuki? With and without Imperil. And what magic type?

When I used to play with full cotton, I didn't know about the usefulness of deprecating spells. I came to learn of Imperil much more later.
Err...I don't remember how many attacks it used to take to finish him off.
I used to play Holy Mage type with full cotton.

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Oct 17 2014, 00:35) *

In that case, you can try nihilvoid's Reloader script. Since it uses AJAX to dynamically update elements on the page, the page isn't reloaded after each action, so you won't have that blinking. It also speeds up rendering time. Note that you have to work a bit to use other battle scripts with it (ie you have to paste the code inside it at the right places).

Or you can use the Reloader I use, already packed with a few scripts. Remember to disable other battle scripts if you do.
Attached File  Reloader.txt ( 14.55k ) Number of downloads: 75


Thanks. I've already found that script when I was researching on the script thread. It's great for melee, but not so good for mages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 16 2014, 21:57
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 16 2014, 21:54) *

When I used to play with full cotton, I didn't know about the usefulness of deprecating spells. I came to learn of Imperil much more later.
Err...I don't remember how many attacks it used to take to finish him off.
I used to play Holy Mage type with full cotton.
Thanks. I've already found that script when I was researching on the script thread. It's great for melee, but not so good for mages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Oh, yeah, I forgot you were a mage. Well, you can easily set a spell as the default attack, although there is no automatic rotation for T2 and T3 spells.
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although there is no automatic rotation for T2 and T3 spells.



*cough* spell spam script */cough*
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*cough* spell spam script */cough*

I know, I know. (I'm lazy.)

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Sharing some lists of shops I've compiled. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(Shops that seldom restock the corresponding items are removed from the lists.)

Energy Drink (<42k)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=88506 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=84017 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=155336 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=164978 41k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=71020 41k

Binding of the Cheetah (<45k)
I believe there is/was a shop selling it at 39k, but I can't find it any more.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=105400 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=89609 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=162671 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=159513 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163510 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=155336 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=139038 42k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=167564 42k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=71020 44k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=88506 44k

Binding of the Nimble (<4k)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=162671 2.5k

Binding of Dampening (<3k)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=162671 2.5k

Defense Matrix Modulator (<45k)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=89609 35k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=71020 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163389 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=162671 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=23985 40k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163510 42k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=167078 44k

Repurposed Actuator (<35k)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=71020 32k

High-Grade Metals (<3k)
There are quite a few of shops selling HGM at 3k (Scremaz and treesloth, to name but a few), but you can get a cheaper price
Method 1
    Step 1. Buy High-Grade Cloth at less than 9k.
    Step 2. WTT your HGC for other players' HGM. The ratio is usually 1:3 (1 HGC : 3 HGM)
    In this way, you can get HGM @<3k. I usually trade my HGC for gc00018's HGM using this method.
Method 2 (not recommended)
    And you can get an even cheaper price:
    Buy HGC @<9k, WTT for gc's High-Grade Leather (1 HGC : 6 HGL), sell those HGL to some players at 1.5k. (ppl will buy coz so cheap than normal price)
    Use the profit to buy more HGC, and WTT for gc's HGL again,
    again,
    again,
    ...
    ...
    again,
    again and again.
    Keep doing this until you feel the amount of HGC is enough, and finally WTT HGC for HGM.
    I don't recommend this method, though, you know how bothersome it is.
    However it's fun to imagine the reaction from gc, coz the amount of HGC keeps increasing everytime you send to him. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Misc
HGC <=9k
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=79874
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163316

MGM <=550
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=165943

MGW MGM <=550
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163316

MGW <=620
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=71020

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I've got two meh-tier rapiers picked up for dirt-cheap, and I'm planning to IWmax one of them (yes, I'm aware I probably shouldn't, shame on me). Which one should I choose?

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