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Is there anybody buying noodles for 60k currently? All I see are people buying for 55k.

and HG cloth at 10k. what's happening to the market? it isn't even worth to buy junkies and salvage them... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Hmm ... for a money oriented approach:

GF would then boil down to crystal/minute (cpm).
Since Artifact, Chaos and Blood Token drop chances are fixed, only equip and crystals are left over.

- The clear bonus wouldn't really factor in, as 5k is hardly noticable. But let's just assign it as 0.05 crystal packs(valued at 100k for ease of calculation), so 600 bonus crystals on clear.
- Blood Tokens can be valued at 8k (2x 60k Noodlies for 15 tokens) up to 15 tokens per day, so 0.08 packs or 960 crystals. I'd say every blood token over 15 is better saved and used sometime in the future, but for calculation purposes has a value of 0.

Now there're 2 approaches left:
1. Count on lucky equipment drops
2. Don't do 1 and go for the safe money

So for approach 1 it'd be optimal to do the highest difficulty possible for the better multiplier.
And approach 2 is based on the highest cpm, which may also be stopping GF somewhere in the middle and starting a new one.

Given ample raw data (read: time spent per difficulty and (every) round) it should be possible to find the high-point for cpm. On the other hand, who'd be willing to collect all that data (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The average crystal drop chance per round can be extrapolated from the cut-offs in the wiki.

But there's so many numbers involved, that it sounds more like a skillchip job (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Approach 2 should also consider that trashes in higher difficulty can sell for more. There has been many anecdotal evidence that cpm favors low difficulty. My rough estimation also supports that: ~1400crys of each kind on Hellfest (145 min) vs ~1600 of each kind on Nintendofest(195min). For Nintendofest to catch up in cpm, I have to get ~1800 of each kind.

My trash + credit fluctuate between 50k to 80k on Hellfest, and 60k to 90k on Ninfest. 200 crystal can easily make up for that 10k difference

If we stack token/infusion/scroll, Hellfest's lead is just going to be higher.

Hellfest win?! In fact, I'd say Normalfest would be the most profitable, if not for the drop penalty

For approach 1: you also have to consider the small chance of getting peerless that isn't affected by difficulty, but how fast you finish rounds.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 31 2014, 02:22

and HG cloth at 10k. what's happening to the market? it isn't even worth to buy junkies and salvage them... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

don't know, but it seems like all HG mats & binding has been cheaper lately.
Noodly@55k, HG Cloth@10k, HG Metal@6-8k, HG Leather @4k, Crystal Pack@100k, etc all available in WTS.

though, for some reason scrolls & infusions are getting more expensive.

don't know, but it seems like all HG mats & binding has been cheaper lately.
Noodly@55k, HG Cloth@10k, HG Metal@6-8k, HG Leather @4k, Crystal Pack@100k, etc all available in WTS.

though, for some reason scrolls & infusions are getting more expensive.

My guess is that top playeers are getting maxed out, (or they are realising that forging past 50 has trivial effect) so they are spending more on consumables instead

I'm still waiting for binding's price to drop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 31 2014, 03:13

My guess is that top playeers are getting maxed out, (or they are realising that forging past 50 has trivial effect) so they are spending more on consumables instead

I'm still waiting for binding's price to drop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I guess if the prices drop the players who don't have as many credits could start forging their gear more easily

Oh god another abbreviation, but very informative (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Is there anybody buying noodles for 60k currently? All I see are people buying for 55k.

Hmm, iirc Stonycat sold his Haths on occasion to pay the noodle collector's bills. Also, I've heard that noodles rarely drops legendaries these days, so they're hardly even worth 55k now actually.

I guess if the prices drop the players who don't have as many credits could start forging their gear more easily

Waiting for phazon prices to drop so I can stock them for legendary phases I might have in the future... but I wouldn't really count on it, cuz the difference between unforged phases and forged phases are worlds apart.
Hmm, without relying on Stonycat's noodle collection funds and hath selling, how am I supposed to find Megacredits to fund my LoTD... perhaps I'll have to make a credit ledger once I can reliably do IWBTH DWD at least...

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 31 2014, 04:18

Hmm, iirc Stonycat sold his Haths on occasion to pay the noodle collector's bills. Also, I've heard that noodles rarely drops legendaries these days, so they're hardly even worth 55k now actually.

Waiting for phazon prices to drop so I can stock them for legendary phases I might have in the future... but I wouldn't really count on it, cuz the difference between unforged phases and forged phases are worlds apart.
Hmm, without relying on Stonycat's noodle collection funds and hath selling, how am I supposed to find Megacredits to fund my LoTD... perhaps I'll have to make a credit ledger once I can reliably do IWBTH DWD at least...

phazon and slaughter prices will not be dropped easily. The first reason is because their demand is too high in compare with the material. The second reason is that mid level players, me, for example, will join the war after the richest players left.

This post has been edited by Colman: May 31 2014, 06:23

don't know, but it seems like all HG mats & binding has been cheaper lately.
Noodly@55k, HG Cloth@10k, HG Metal@6-8k, HG Leather @4k, Crystal Pack@100k, etc all available in WTS.

though, for some reason scrolls & infusions are getting more expensive.

But not for binding of barrier. shop in wts has increase their price to >10k. well, i found one still selling at 10k. so i spend all my credit to grab em (only 25 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ). panic buying.
Price of related item also increasing. Repurposed Actuator, Defense Matrix Modulator (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Yay. Level 150 after a ton of grinding today.

Just fiddled with the monster lab and created an adorable little critter. I have 10 Chaos Tokens at the moment that I can dump onto this guy. What stats are generally the best for monsters? His power level's 92 at the moment and I more or less invested all the crystals I got from grinding in him.

I think I recall seeing that malkatmp maxed his monster's Fortitude (or came close to that) pages back .. Hmm ..

Yay. Level 150 after a ton of grinding today.

Just fiddled with the monster lab and created an adorable little critter. I have 10 Chaos Tokens at the moment that I can dump onto this guy. What stats are generally the best for monsters? His power level's 92 at the moment and I more or less invested all the crystals I got from grinding in him.

I think I recall seeing that malkatmp maxed his monster's Fortitude (or came close to that) pages back .. Hmm ..

Scavenger and monster slot are the only two thing your chaos token should be put into.

Scavenger and monster slot are the only two thing your chaos token should be put into.

I'll add that when the cost of those starts getting prohibitive, start putting tokens in Fortitude, and then Brutality. Thanks to those I already have a PL-260 monster that's paid for itself crystal-wise.

Haven't played this game in a long time, what is the best \ fastest way to fight in this game? just looking for some pointers keeping in mind in way out of date as far as equipment goes. is 2h the best or magic or 1h with a shield? also what kind of armor is the best heavy or cloth?

Also whats a good way to get credits without spending a lot of time? 100+ arena's only give 1,000 and seem to take 20 minutes, so that does not seem to be very good.

Seems like training your monsters is a good way but costs 500,000+ credits before you start to get anything worth anything.

Im sure this has been asked countless times and i did do some reading before asking but i don't really know whats....what anymore.

Thanks for your time.

don't know, but it seems like all HG mats & binding has been cheaper lately.
Noodly@55k, HG Cloth@10k, HG Metal@6-8k, HG Leather @4k, Crystal Pack@100k, etc all available in WTS.

though, for some reason scrolls & infusions are getting more expensive.

hath prices has been dropping as well...

Haven't played this game in a long time, what is the best \ fastest way to fight in this game? just looking for some pointers keeping in mind in way out of date as far as equipment goes. is 2h the best or magic or 1h with a shield? also what kind of armor is the best heavy or cloth?

Also whats a good way to get credits without spending a lot of time? 100+ arena's only give 1,000 and seem to take 20 minutes, so that does not seem to be very good.

Seems like training your monsters is a good way but costs 500,000+ credits before you start to get anything worth anything.

Im sure this has been asked countless times and i did do some reading before asking but i don't really know whats....what anymore.

Thanks for your time.

assuming you're playing on PFUDOR and have amazing equipment, in general, mage>>>>>>melee.
holy and wind are most effective, followed by cold and fire(i think). dark and elec are not bad per se but you have to love them to make them work for you. just know that you're going to be spending hundreds of millions of credits if you plan on going for the most optimal setups.

for melee: 1H power ~ DW shade > 2H whatever ~ Niten whatever
best armor is dependent on what style you're playing. you will never get anywhere with a fully forged DW cotton of protection set or a fully forged heimdall staff +power slaughter set.

to gain credits fast:
-get to level 200
-farm 2nd page arenas for tokens of blood on highest difficulty you can manage but still be fast with. i'd suggest trying it on hell first then decreasing the difficulty if its too much for you.
-use them to get noodles from FSM and sell them to StonyCat for 55k apiece

there are faster ways but you don't have access to those things yet.

edit: just realized you're level 150. take yourself to the freeshop in WTS and get yourself some stuff. be sure to read the rules thoroughly first or else you'll get banned.
the safest options for you are probably 1H leather and Mace leather.

This post has been edited by something: May 31 2014, 12:04

assuming you're playing on PFUDOR and have amazing equipment, in general, mage>>>>>>melee.
holy and wind are most effective, followed by cold and fire(i think). dark and elec are not bad per se but you have to love them to make them work for you. just know that you're going to be spending hundreds of millions of credits if you plan on going for the most optimal setups.

for melee: 1H power ~ DW shade > 2H whatever ~ Niten whatever
best armor is dependent on what style you're playing. you will never get anywhere with a fully forged DW cotton of protection set or a fully forged heimdall staff +power slaughter set.

to gain credits fast:
-get to level 200
-farm 2nd page arenas for tokens of blood on highest difficulty you can manage but still be fast with. i'd suggest trying it on hell first then decreasing the difficulty if its too much for you.
-use them to get noodles from FSM and sell them to StonyCat for 55k apiece

there are faster ways but you don't have access to those things yet.

My equipment is junk and i die isntantly in PFUDOR. thanks for the advice.

This post has been edited by MegaAnimeFan: May 31 2014, 12:13

My equipment is junk and i have no idea what PFUDOR is or what you mean by "use them to get noodles from FSM" other than that thanks for the advice.

PFUDOR is the highest difficulty setting you can play at

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Advice
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_FAQ
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms

that should tell you more or less everything you need to know.

if you post your gear and stats we can tell you exactly what you're doing wrong.

This post has been edited by something: May 31 2014, 12:25

assuming you're playing on PFUDOR and have amazing equipment, in general, mage>>>>>>melee.

That is only arguably true after level 400 and a ton of forging. Don't expect maging to carry you there (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

That is only arguably true after level 400 and a ton of forging. Don't expect maging to carry you there (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Before that, and without forged equipments, most Mage would not be able to do even IWBTH SG arenas, I guess. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 31 2014, 12:25

PFUDOR is the highest difficulty setting you can play at

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Advice
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_FAQ
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms

that should tell you more or less everything you need to know.

if you post your gear and stats we can tell you exactly what you're doing wrong.

Thanks for the info i think this gives me everything i need to get back into this

That is only arguably true after level 400 and a ton of forging. Don't expect maging to carry you there (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

What would you recommend then? right now i am using all heavy armor with a 1h and shield with spirit.

This post has been edited by MegaAnimeFan: May 31 2014, 12:31

Thanks for the info i think this gives me everything i need to get back into this
What would you recommend then? right now i am using all heavy armor with a 1h and shield with spirit.

Join the bandwagon of 1H Light, get free equips/potions from free shop, dump all money into adept learner and pack rat (seriously don't bother with other sink like monster lab or hath perk or auction until 300), rush to 300 in 1-2months by playing PFUDOR/IWBTH RE/Arena, then transition into 1H power or 1H shade to start farming PFUDOR Arena, Hellfest, IW, etc...

The downside of all this is that you won't have fun, but that's pretty much the universal spirit of mmorpg (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 31 2014, 12:42