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um... ...iirc, a Leg Rapier of Slaughter goes for 3-5mil. i'd assume an Ethereal one can probably go for 10mil, but i could be way off again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

10M? I wish.

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damn. just damn. you definitely put a lot more thought into this game than i do. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

nah, first grab all power, then start looking for an ethereal rapier. but 7-8 more burden isn't a problem, so i'd go with a fully IW hallowed rapier of slaughter, this way you would also have bonus cure...

unless GC shoot us in the foot this time: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

How about making the cure amount inpendent from Holy EDB and creating a new ability let prof buff cure?

Beacuse, currently, Melee players (except shield one) are forced to use holy weapons.

Changing it may give other weapon more chance and value. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

i'd say private transactions only, and if auctioned that'd be only camarillas-range bread...

10M? I wish.

i'm way off again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

though, i guess it's safer to assume Ethereal Weapons are 10x as much as non-Ethereal ones.

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 30 2014, 21:25

S-S-Senpai .. ? 大好きです！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！ :3

I'll happily take everything but the armor. I requested for a power armor from the free shop a few days ago and am waiting on that!

Alright then, I'll send them to you once I'm done with my Arenas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Also, I'd IW some potencies on the Rapier of Slaughter I just gave you if you want. Just return it to me and I'll do it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

unless GC shoot us in the foot this time: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

he's a troll. there aren't many other explanations. troll or maso...

10M? I wish.

40m for one weapon, I'm guessing for the majority of the playerbase it's better to settle for a magnificent quality and fully forge it instead? Cause it'll probably still be cheaper in the end compared to buying an unforged legendary.

Or is it that once you hit level 400+ you suddenly have an unlimited source of credits?

This post has been edited by Kazetenshi: May 30 2014, 21:42

he's a troll. there aren't many other explanations. troll or maso...

coming up this Summer along with the next patch: "In Memory of Holy Mages xyz" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

40m for one weapon, I'm guessing for the majority of the playerbase it's better to settle for a magnificent quality and fully forge it instead? Cause it'll probably still be cheaper in the end compared to buying an unforged legendary.

Or is it that once you hit level 400+ you suddenly have an unlimited source of credits?

imo, dnbdave is not part of the majority of the playerbase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

though, if you're willing to sink 100 Binding of Slaughter @200k each (or 20 MILLION total worth of binding excluding Metals), you might as well get Leg+ stuff. though, for Mmax stuff, i think partially forged is still good enough for most of us. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 30 2014, 21:48

40m for one weapon, I'm guessing for the majority of the playerbase it's better to settle for a magnificent quality and fully forge it instead? Cause it'll probably still be cheaper in the end compared to buying an unforged legendary.

Or is it that once you hit level 400+ you suddenly have an unlimited source of credits?

To be precise it's 40m for one ETHEREAL rapier of slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I browsed through some shops and found that some Leg. Elemental Rapier of Slaughter are only <10m.

Holy crap. Well, there goes my hopes and dreams of ever getting one this year.

The only weapon I saw more expensive was this Legendary Demonic Estoc of Slaughter full IW being sold for 60m by a level 400+ user.

Sent back to you, Senpai! Rofl I just did a run of IW in normal to see how long it'd take to max it.

"You try to scream, but terror takes the sound before you make it,
You start to freeze, as horror looks you right between the eyes,
You're paralyzed....

CAUSE THIS IS H-VEEE!!!"


Holy shit, 40m for one weapon?

imo, dnbdave is not part of the majority of the playerbase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/98489/2084d8cd73.png)

Wait... why is the owner holy_demon!? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 22:46

The only more godlike thing I've seen being sold is this (by Jenga):

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=48b11dacbf

For 60m.

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/98489/2084d8cd73.png)

Wait... why is the owner holy_demon!? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

i think he is/was IWing/testing it...

doublepost

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 31 2014, 00:06

triplepost

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 31 2014, 00:06

How'd you notice? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I think stamina is probably the most precious resource in HV. At 30k per Energy Drink/ 10 Stamina, so 1 Stamina would be worth about 3k.
If you do all 2nd Page Arenas, that's 980 rounds, you use 30.1 Stamina (19 sta rested => 475 rounds, 10.1 sta normal => 505 rounds), at least in theory, in praxis it's more since you still regen during/after fights.
My goal is to get as much exp during the initial 19 stamina for the bonus. To achieve the maximum usage of these it'd be best to stop after consuming 24 stamina to make maximum use of the base regen. But when doing the whole 2nd page, you're using more than that, so it'd be best to get down to 34 stamina used so you can chug 1 Energy drink (valued at 30k, remember) and still be maxed 24h after.

So when i go prof grinding (always do this below 80 stamina btw) every 50 rounds is 1 stamina, every 500 rounds is 10 stamina => 30k. So even prof grinding has a monetary value attached (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
So when i can cut down from 1000 rounds to 500 rounds, i just saved 30k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It's actually more complicated than that (and it constitutes the whole, what is the best difficulty for festing argument). Essentially, if you finish round faster, your rate of getting artifacts will be also faster, and they usually can make up for your ED expense (or more: 1000 rounds->20 stamina~60k->at least 5 artifacts to make even - I usually get more than that at 6 archeologist). In fact, the determining factor of choosing difficulty is actually not stamina, but your value of crystal/blood/chaos token (the higher, the more in favor of lower difficulty), vs the small chance of getting good gear (in favor of higher difficulty). Arena with arena bonus and IW with potency bonus, favor high difficulty. GF is still up for experimental though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

coming up this Summer along with the next patch: "In Memory of Holy Mages xyz" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
imo, dnbdave is not part of the majority of the playerbase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

though, if you're willing to sink 100 Binding of Slaughter @200k each (or 20 MILLION total worth of binding excluding Metals), you might as well get Leg+ stuff. though, for Mmax stuff, i think partially forged is still good enough for most of us. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm currently borrowing his weapon to test out speed on GF. The improvement is definitely less than 10%. (145m to 135min for hellfest, 195 to 180 for nintendofest). Daemon Duality is probably a more efficient choice (~17m)

Note: Im using slaughter armor, which together contributes more ADB than the rapier alone. 1H Shade user might find updating the rapier more useful.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 31 2014, 01:02

I've spent some time lurking around this thread, and saw advises on spell spamming for proficiency gains sake. This made me wonder, what exactly triggers armor proficiency?

Getting hit, parrying, blocking and Evading...

So... Stuns actively reduce your rate of armor proficiency gain. Thus, I swapped out my club for an axe for my DW set. I'm thinking of switching to the hallowed short sword I have in my shop & hallowed rapier in off-hand instead of the ethereal weapons I'm using now.

Holy crap. Well, there goes my hopes and dreams of ever getting one this year.

The only weapon I saw more expensive was this Legendary Demonic Estoc of Slaughter full IW being sold for 60m by a level 400+ user.

Sent back to you, Senpai! Rofl I just did a run of IW in normal to see how long it'd take to max it.

Getting hit, parrying, blocking and Evading...

So... Stuns actively reduce your rate of armor proficiency gain. Thus, I swapped out my club for an axe for my DW set. I'm thinking of switching to the hallowed short sword I have in my shop & hallowed rapier in off-hand instead of the ethereal weapons I'm using now.

unless there's a ninja updated, missed/evaded/blocked/parried/resisted attacks still grant prof

It's actually more complicated than that (and it constitutes the whole, what is the best difficulty for festing argument). Essentially, if you finish round faster, your rate of getting artifacts will be also faster, and they usually can make up for your ED expense (or more: 1000 rounds->20 stamina~60k->at least 5 artifacts to make even - I usually get more than that at 6 archeologist). In fact, the determining factor of choosing difficulty is actually not stamina, but your value of crystal/blood/chaos token (the higher, the more in favor of lower difficulty), vs the small chance of getting good gear (in favor of higher difficulty). Arena with arena bonus and IW with potency bonus, favor high difficulty. GF is still up for experimental though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Hmm ... for a money oriented approach:

GF would then boil down to crystal/minute (cpm).
Since Artifact, Chaos and Blood Token drop chances are fixed, only equip and crystals are left over.

- The clear bonus wouldn't really factor in, as 5k is hardly noticable. But let's just assign it as 0.05 crystal packs(valued at 100k for ease of calculation), so 600 bonus crystals on clear.
- Blood Tokens can be valued at 8k (2x 60k Noodlies for 15 tokens) up to 15 tokens per day, so 0.08 packs or 960 crystals. I'd say every blood token over 15 is better saved and used sometime in the future, but for calculation purposes has a value of 0.

Now there're 2 approaches left:
1. Count on lucky equipment drops
2. Don't do 1 and go for the safe money

So for approach 1 it'd be optimal to do the highest difficulty possible for the better multiplier.
And approach 2 is based on the highest cpm, which may also be stopping GF somewhere in the middle and starting a new one.

Given ample raw data (read: time spent per difficulty and (every) round) it should be possible to find the high-point for cpm. On the other hand, who'd be willing to collect all that data (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The average crystal drop chance per round can be extrapolated from the cut-offs in the wiki.

But there's so many numbers involved, that it sounds more like a skillchip job (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

GF would then boil down to crystal/minute (cpm).
Since Artifact, Chaos and Blood Token drop chances are fixed, only equip and crystals are left over.


- Blood Tokens can be valued at 8k (2x 60k Noodlies for 15 tokens) up to 15 tokens per day, so 0.08 packs or 960 crystals. I'd say every blood token over 15 is better saved and used sometime in the future, but for calculation purposes has a value of 0.

Oh god another abbreviation, but very informative (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Is there anybody buying noodles for 60k currently? All I see are people buying for 55k.