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How am I supposed to have Fus Roh Dah at lv 250? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Dunno, just 1H mage your way to DWD at Bt difficulty when you reach Level 300? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Grinding the last 12 points to unlock T3 Ragnarok.

Meh, no need to be a hardcore darkmage for that, just put your force shield+shade/plate armors on and install this script and grindfest-profciency all the way to Ragnarok just by spamming Corruption... on second thought... this kinda method probably wouldn't work for you anymore...

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 30 2014, 16:58

Meh, no need to be a hardcore darkmage for that, just put your force shield+shade/plate armors on and install this script and grindfest-profciency all the way to Ragnarok just by spamming Corruption... on second thought... this kinda method probably wouldn't work for you anymore...

i'd be interested too, since sooner or later i'd want to try spirit theft...

i'd be interested too, since sooner or later i'd want to try spirit theft...

Get Hoverplay and proficiency view script, equip your shade armor, edit the Hoverplay to auto-cast Corruption, and see your forbidden prof rising up like a candy... for three days.

i'd be interested too, since sooner or later i'd want to try spirit theft...

imo, corruption is great & spammy too. it's a T1 spell with lower Ripened Soul proc chance, but that 0 cool down & low spell cost, it's somewhat useful. though, iirc, you'll probably need 2-4 corruptions for 1 ripened soul proc.

also, Vital Theft is a nice & small bonus too.

On second thought, I would make a more professional advice here to have kos9494 add my magic prof-grinding advices here.

First things first, your proficiency is capped to your level, not counting additional proficiencies granted by equips like staves and cotton armors. Higher levels increases your proficiency cap, so naturally Adept Learner is more effective for prof grinding compared to Assimilator when it comes to grinding your main style proficiency at lower levels.
Assimilator didn't get useful until you started to grind everything at really high level where any further EXP boost upgrades would be forbiddingly expensive (ymmv where's the forbiddingly expensive part is), and even then, Level 4 (5 for riches) is the breaking point because of it's forbidding cost for such a dismal return of investment anyways.

For equip proficiency is good to go to grind just by battling with them equipped, while magic proficiency have their prof gain chance increased with higher MP cost.
Of course for the latter you'll go through MP fast with high MP cost, but you'll be spending lots of mana pots/ethertapping/focusing anyway just to grind magic proficiency anyways.
For weapon prof grinding, just use Mousemelee and play in that style for awhile at Hell difficulty or higher, for armor prof grinding, just play your highest difficulty, unequip Haste if you want to, but it's unnecessary on PFUDOR.
Staff is the hardest equip prof to grind cuz it's a magic oriented weapon in the first place, so your best bet would be grinding your staff proficiency all day on Trio and the Tree, preferably you've got the Hoverplay to back you up on that one. I've previously grinded my staff prof from 80 to 100 this way with thousands of rounds.

For magic prof, you'll want:
50 Elemental proficiency for T2 Elemental spells (Inferno, Blizzard, Chained Lightning, Downburst), 150 Elemental proficiency for T3 Elemental spells (Flame of Loki, Fimbuulvetr, Wrath of Thor, Storm of Njord)
100 divine/forbidden prof for Banishment/Disintegrate (T2 holy/dark spell), 200 divine/forbidden prof for Paradise Lost/Ragnarok (T3 holy/dark spell).
30 Depreciating proficiency for Imperil, 40 for Silence, 100 for MagNet.
And that's just for skills. Higher magic profs grants among other things, faster cast time and lower MP cost, increased buff/status effect duration, counter-resist, reduces enemy elemental mitigations, so naturally a mage would want them as high as possible.

For elemental spells, spam T1 spells, then spam T2 spells in an elemental explosion style (Inferno, Blizzard, Downburst, Chained Lightning, repeat) with highest tier Elementalism ability you have for lowest CD. simrock argues it should be counter-elemental explosions for less damage = less round = less stamina spent, but it's your choice.
For holy/dark spells, just spam Smite and Corruption would suffice until they reach 150s or so cuz it has a really high MP cost to begin with.
For depreciating spells, just spam the fastest Weaken you have, if your Weaken still have CD, just slot in some more deprecating spells into the quickbar and Hoverplay and watch the animation.
For supportive spells, well... just spam Protection and other buff spells would work... but you'll want to invest in Innate Arcana as well. Personally I managed to get mine at around 260, at this point I get most of my supporting profs on IA and buff spells spamming really.

Obviously spamming spells with Hoverplay works as usual, except you'll be using non-arcanist shade armors for higher interference (around ~50) after your prof gain on cloth armor slows down (will happen after you get over 50+ prof on cloth armor), and maybe using force shields and heavy armors if you can get at least 90% prof gain chance from it.
The most efficient way to grind magic proficiency is to hit-n-run grindfest, which boils down to go to grindfest, spam spells till your Mana pool is empty and run away, eat one lesser Mana pot to full-cure the MP pool, rinse and repeat, up interference as needed. While this method is mana pots effective (you full-heals with one lesser mana potion), this method may cost a lot of stamina.
For stamina-conscious grinders you'll need to eat a full set of heroic mana pots at your highest manageable difficulty (usually between Nightmare-Hell difficulty), preferably when the MP pool is at 45% or so, preferably without the associated damage enhancements such as Sorcery for elemental proficiency or Better Smite for divine proficiency grinding. You can equip a melee weapon to negate the staff spell damage bonus as well.

Here'sthe example code to be edited in Hoverplay, spell code credits goes to simrock:

CODE

// Hit'n run grindfest, recover full MP outside battle
var MP_T = 0;
Hit'n run grindfest, stamina conscious version.
var MP_T = 0.45;

// Elemental
var Spell_list = ['Flames of Loki', 'Wrath of Thor', 'Storms of Njord', 'Fimbulvetr', 'Inferno', 'Chained Lightning', 'Downburst', 'Blizzard', 'Fiery Blast', 'Shockblast', 'Gale', 'Freeze'];
// Divine
var Spell_list = ['Paradise Lost', 'Banishment', 'Smite'];
// Forbidden
var Spell_list = ['Ragnarok', 'Disintegrate', 'Corruption'];

// Deprecating < 30
var Spell_list = [Weaken', 'Slow', 'Cure'];
// Deprecating > 30
var Spell_list = ['Weaken', 'Slow', 'Imperil', 'Cure'];

// Supportive
var Spell_list = ['Cure', 'Protection'];

notes from simrock:
- Didn't look up how HP reacts to all on cooldown, so for T2/T3, T1/T2 is also in the list as fall back.
- Divine and Forbidden cooldowns don't line up perfectly, so whole rotation in there.
- Weaken, Imperil and Slow have 3 turn CD without any points in faster. Also Cure as fall back since we don't want to hit our victim.
- Supportive has Cure first, so we can spam forever.

And finally... I've got this script from oohmrparis.
 HV_proficiency_view_2.8_experimental.zip ( 2.22k ) Number of downloads: 57

It displays your gained prof on the left bar, press N hotkey to toggle your current prof popup.
This one's experimental cuz I reverse engineered it to have the gained prof appear on the character page (v2.0 used to have them, but OMP removed it come v2.5 after much advice and negotiation). Reset button is only available on popup though.
Official version is here.

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 30 2014, 20:06

On second thought, I would make a more professional advice here to have kos9494 add my magic prof-grinding advices here.

First things first, your proficiency is capped to your level, not counting additional proficiencies granted by equips like staves and cotton armors. Higher levels increases your proficiency cap, so naturally Adept Learner is more effective for prof grinding compared to Assimilator when it comes to grinding your main style proficiency at lower levels.
Assimilator didn't get useful until you started to grind everything at really high level where any further EXP boost upgrades would be forbiddingly expensive (ymmv where's the forbiddingly expensive part is), and even then, Level 4 (5 for riches) is the breaking point because of it's forbidding cost for such a dismal return of investment anyways.

I'm using my power set with 130+ Burden and it still works. In the end, it's all down to your patience. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 19:41

I'm using my power set with 130+ Burden and it still works. In the end, it's all down to your patience. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

130 burden? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

however, @LostLogia: if earning magic prof is related to the amount of MP spent, a fast grind would consider using armors with high ITR, thus it would only become a matter of time and mana potions, am i wrong?

I'm using my power set with 130+ Burden and it still works.

Hmm, that's news to me, except that you didn't tell what works...

In the end, it's all down to your patience. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Sure, patience, patience... indeed, patience will win you this battle for sure, but efficiency would spare you a patience of a saint, and you'll save some time by going with my advice as well, so why not...?
Also, mind snipping that wall-of-text advice? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

however, @LostLogia: if earning magic prof is related to the amount of MP spent, a fast grind would consider using armors with high ITR, thus it would only become a matter of time and mana potions, am i wrong?

Well yeah... btw you can just hit-n-run grindfest for that. evertime you chose to recover MP outside of battle, you eats only one Lesser Mana potion to full-heal your MP, iirc not even Heroic Mana pots can do that, at least not at the end of its effect. Not to mention you'll risk Mana overflow/underflow with heroic mana pots.

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 30 2014, 18:57

Thanks again. So Rapier of Slaughter + Force Shield (30%+ Block) + Eventual Power _ of Slaughter set is what I should go for. (Though I do need to grind 1H proficiencies now.)

Bleh, and I thought Rapiers of Balance were what people used as a mainhand with a shield. Purchased this for 40k because of its AAs and PABs:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5b7299f2ca

Yeah I'm still waiting on the Shared Free Shop thread since the users managing it appear to be quite busy.

Is anybody selling a 33%+ force shield for a reasonable price? Oh and more of a vague question:

I know that ADBs are the most important for Power _ of Slaughter equips, but how much more PABs is required to offset the additional ADBs that certain equips have? Say one equip has ADB = +180 and 1 PAB = +10 while another equip has ADB = +140 and 2 PABs: +15 and +15. Which would go for a better value here? (And should I aim to get the highest ADBs possible while going with a Rapier + Shield or should I focus a bit more on AABs and Critical bonuses?)

-- 8< -- snip -- >8 --
For elemental spells, spam T1 spells, then spam T2 spells in an elemental explosion style (Inferno, Blizzard, Downburst, Chained Lightning, repeat) with highest tier Elementalism ability you have for lowest CD.
For holy/dark spells, just spam Smite and Corruption would suffice until they reach 150s or so cuz it has a really high MP cost to begin with.
-- 8< -- snip -- >8 --

Nice write up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But i think a counter-explosion might be better just for grinding prof since you proc less explosions, hence less damage, hence more turns/round, hence less stamina per prof gained.
Also, unslot +target and +dmg abilities to make rounds last even longer. Prof gains happen solely on mana used, not damage done or if the spell hits.

Elemental T2 in rotation should work even without elementalism cooldown wise. T3 would need max Archmage iirc, but that's not happening until late game, so probably not practical for grinding.


And here's some (untested) Spell lists for Hoverplay (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

CODE

// Elemental T1
var Spell_list = ['Fiery Blast', 'Shockblast', 'Gale', 'Freeze'];
// Elemental T2
var Spell_list = ['Inferno', 'Chained Lightning', 'Downburst', 'Blizzard', 'Fiery Blast', 'Shockblast', 'Gale', 'Freeze'];
// Elemental T3
var Spell_list = ['Flames of Loki', 'Wrath of Thor', 'Storms of Njord', 'Fimbulvetr', 'Inferno', 'Chained Lightning', 'Downburst', 'Blizzard'];

// Divine T1
var Spell_list = ['Smite'];
// Divine T2
var Spell_list = ['Banishment', 'Smite'];
// Divine T3
var Spell_list = ['Paradise Lost', 'Banishment', 'Smite'];

// Forbidden T1
var Spell_list = ['Corruption'];
// Forbidden T2
var Spell_list = ['Disintegrate', 'Corruption'];
// Forbidden T3
var Spell_list = ['Ragnarok', 'Disintegrate', 'Corruption'];

// Deprecating < 30
var Spell_list = ['Weaken', 'Slow', 'Cure'];
// Deprecating > 30
var Spell_list = ['Weaken', 'Slow', 'Imperil', 'Cure'];

// Supportive
var Spell_list = ['Cure', 'Protection'];

Notes:
- Didn't look up how HP reacts to all on cooldown, so for T2/T3, T1/T2 is also in the list as fall back.
- Divine and Forbidden cooldowns don't line up perfectly, so whole rotation in there.
- Weaken, Imperil and Slow have 3 turn CD without any points in faster. Also Cure as fall back since we don't want to hit our victim.
- Supportive has Cure first, so we can spam forever.

If you like, feel free to add into your post. And good luck on getting in kos sig ^^

But i think a counter-explosion might be better just for grinding prof since you proc less explosions, hence less damage, hence more turns/round, hence less stamina per prof gained.
Also, unslot +target and +dmg abilities to make rounds last even longer. Prof gains happen solely on mana used, not damage done or if the spell hits.

Meh, you'll have to run before you get your cattails got pulled outta your garass either way, so minimizing damage is not-so-attractive to me. Also, you'll run into the risk of forgetting to reslot these abilities as a mage and got yerself pwned, so if anyone like to get their own ass kicked in the ring, be my guest.

As for stamina woes, I just grind all the way and wait a few hours for that. maybe drinking one energy drink if I need stamina back urgently.

If you like, feel free to add into your post. And good luck on getting in kos sig ^^

Added.

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 30 2014, 19:37

-snip-

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5b7299f2ca

Yeah I'm still waiting on the Shared Free Shop thread since the users managing it appear to be quite busy.

Is anybody selling a 33%+ force shield for a reasonable price? Oh and more of a vague question:

I know that ADBs are the most important for Power _ of Slaughter equips, but how much more PABs is required to offset the additional ADBs that certain equips have? Say one equip has ADB = +180 and 1 PAB = +10 while another equip has ADB = +140 and 2 PABs: +15 and +15. Which would go for a better value here? (And should I aim to get the highest ADBs possible while going with a Rapier + Shield or should I focus a bit more on AABs and Critical bonuses?)

imo, balance weapons are generally good for offhands. though, it's a pretty good rapier of balance.

also, i'm selling 2 force shield @10k each. though, they're only 2PAB, somwhere between Max & Emax shield. though, i'd imagine for ~50k, you can find a close to Emax shield with 3PAB.

imo, for basic non-slaughter gear, 3PAB is almost a must. they're relatively cheap (10-20k each) for Exquisite stuff with 3PAB. Mags are ~50-200k. sometimes you can get Legendary for 100-300k.

for slaughter gear, you're talking about 100k+ for the decent 2PAB stuff (Str+Dex) which is perfectly fine. other 2PAB including End generally sells for a bit lower, because no Str/Dex means lower damage. 3PAB stuff are a lot more expensive.

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 30 2014, 19:33

Didn't look up how HP reacts to all on cooldown

it just takes first available (found & not on CD) spell from the list and uses it.

+You can't use supportive spells in spell_list, just offensive & deprecating ^^"

This post has been edited by Owyn: May 30 2014, 19:41

Well yeah... btw you can just hit-n-run grindfest for that. evertime you chose to recover MP outside of battle, you eats only one Lesser Mana potion to full-heal your MP, iirc not even Heroic Mana pots can do that, at least not at the end of its effect. Not to mention you'll risk Mana overflow/underflow with heroic mana pots.

Try equipping a set of high ITR plate and you'll cry for more mana pots. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hmm, that's news to me, except that you didn't tell what works...
Sure, patience, patience... indeed, patience will win you this battle for sure, but efficiency would spare you a patience of a saint, and you'll save some time by going with my advice as well, so why not...?

No, using Shades might take even longer time becoz-

The chance of gaining proficiency when using a spell is directly tied to the cost of the spell compared to the player's base magic points.

The reason why you told me Shades work better than Cotton/Phase is because the interference of Shade is relatively higher than any Cloth setup, making your spell cost higher.
If you were using Arcanist sets you would probably get the same result as you did with Cloth.

If you want to grind magic proficiency the fastest way, the rational option will be using Heavy (with high ITR rolls) + Force Shield as the higher the spell cost is, the greater is the proficiency gaining rate.

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/97QZj/d0b6c52904.png)

With 130 Interference, I can secure Max Supportive spell proficiency every time I level up even without spamming just by using buffs like Protection/Regen casually. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

130 burden? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/97QSA/15e718a67b.png)

My bad, I meant interference. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
It's mainly because my Force shield has extraordinary high ITR roll. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 19:52

imo, balance weapons are generally good for offhands. though, it's a pretty good rapier of balance.

also, i'm selling 2 force shield @10k each. though, they're only 2PAB, somwhere between Max & Emax shield. though, i'd imagine for ~50k, you can find a close to Emax shield with 3PAB.

imo, for basic non-slaughter gear, 3PAB is almost a must. they're relatively cheap (10-20k each) for Exquisite stuff with 3PAB. Mags are ~50-200k. sometimes you can get Legendary for 100-300k.

for slaughter gear, you're talking about 100k+ for the decent 2PAB stuff (Str+Dex) which is perfectly fine. other 2PAB including End generally sells for a bit lower, because no Str/Dex means lower damage. 3PAB stuff are a lot more expensive.

Thanks once again ;___;.

Since I already have plate, I should start looking for decent slaughter gear with 2 PABs at discounted prices if I can find them. That or settle for worse ones for now until I hit lvl 200 or so.

Sounds like a bargain. I'll take you up on your [SH-F-01] Exquisite Cobalt Force Shield of Deflection. 10k sent.

Thanks again. So Rapier of Slaughter + Force Shield (30%+ Block) + Eventual Power _ of Slaughter set is what I should go for. (Though I do need to grind 1H proficiencies now.)

power of slaughters may be expensive, i'll add also a couple of warding ones if i were you...

Bleh, and I thought Rapiers of Balance were what people used as a mainhand with a shield. Purchased this for 40k because of its AAs and PABs:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5b7299f2ca

rapier of balances aren't viable since overwhelming strikes adds +50% to your acc, so it isn't a good idea to sacrifice ADB for some accuracy that you'll eventually catch, once you have 140% or so you're way good to go. your rapier has MMax ADB and parry, you may want to keep it as offhand for DW...

Yeah I'm still waiting on the Shared Free Shop thread since the users managing it appear to be quite busy.

yep, it seems we are all busy with our respective RLs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
even though we are a few people to have a certain continuity of service, it may still happen...

Is anybody selling a 33%+ force shield for a reasonable price?

33% base block is more than EMax, it will cost quite a few credits. if you mean 33% scaled at your level (and nobody would complain about interest conflicts from me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ), check this

I know that ADBs are the most important for Power _ of Slaughter equips, but how much more PABs is required to offset the additional ADBs that certain equips have? Say one equip has ADB = +180 and 1 PAB = +10 while another equip has ADB = +140 and 2 PABs: +15 and +15. Which would go for a better value here? (And should I aim to get the highest ADBs possible while going with a Rapier + Shield or should I focus a bit more on AABs and Critical bonuses?)

i suppose it depends also on your level, but to have a full comparison you should compare a no-STR, max-ADB slaughter with a max-STR, max-ADB non-slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Since I already have plate, I should start looking for decent slaughter gear with 2 PABs at discounted prices if I can find them. That or settle for worse ones for now until I hit lvl 200 or so.

Shameless commercial. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Do consider buying my hallowed rapier of slaughter. I'm only selling it at 20k and I'd believe it's quite cheap considering Hallowed stuffs do increase the amount your Cure heals. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Edited: On a second thought, I might as well give you for free if u don't have a better one yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 20:06

it just takes first available (found & not on CD) spell from the list and uses it.

+You can't use supportive spells in spell_list, just offensive & deprecating ^^"

Woops (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Forgot you work with battle instead of the old click()

Also, since you check if spell exists we can simplify the list to

CODE

// Elemental
var Spell_list = ['Flames of Loki', 'Wrath of Thor', 'Storms of Njord', 'Fimbulvetr', 'Inferno', 'Chained Lightning', 'Downburst', 'Blizzard', 'Fiery Blast', 'Shockblast', 'Gale', 'Freeze'];

// Divine
var Spell_list = ['Paradise Lost', 'Banishment', 'Smite'];

// Forbidden
var Spell_list = ['Ragnarok', 'Disintegrate', 'Corruption'];

// Deprecating
var Spell_list = ['Weaken', 'Slow', 'Imperil'];

Or am i wrong?

Supportive then stays the old "cast protection > hold R" ^^

Woops (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Forgot you work with battle instead of the old click()

Also, since you check if spell exists we can simplify the list to

CODE

// Elemental
var Spell_list = ['Flames of Loki', 'Wrath of Thor', 'Storms of Njord', 'Fimbulvetr', 'Inferno', 'Chained Lightning', 'Downburst', 'Blizzard', 'Fiery Blast', 'Shockblast', 'Gale', 'Freeze'];

// Divine
var Spell_list = ['Paradise Lost', 'Banishment', 'Smite'];

// Forbidden
var Spell_list = ['Ragnarok', 'Disintegrate', 'Corruption'];

// Deprecating
var Spell_list = ['Weaken', 'Slow', 'Imperil'];

Or am i wrong?

Supportive then stays the old "cast protection > hold R" ^^

yeap, even if you write 'MAHLAZ0R" spell into there, it would just skip it (or find it and use it O_o)

but you could test supportive spells, of course it won't use em properly, but maybe you could Heal enemy monsters (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (it was beating the dead horse (wrong monster) if you hovered 10th monster previously before I noticed it and made a fix)

but holding 'R' is a good choice anyway.

@ LostLogia4 & simrock87 & Owyn

i have no idea what i'm looking at. i assume is part of an improved hoverplay script? though, i guess i can only blame myself for not learning any programming. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

anyway, thanks for making/updating the script.

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 30 2014, 20:06