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post May 29 2014, 07:45
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 28 2014, 22:31) *

>we all just pretend it's a little bit more constructive
pfff

Okay. Here are three. Exquisite Estoc of Balance, Exquisite Cobalt Power Armor of Balance, and Average Shade Gauntlets of Negation


2H Heavy is not my fighting style but the Power armour is probably worth 50k+, the Estoc is forgettable on it's own but the salvage value for the bindings alone would place it past 150k+.
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post May 29 2014, 08:05
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Happens when either you started using loads of heavy scripts (HVSTAT is the biggest offender) or when the network started getting shitty really.

I see. I'm guessing that a lot of others have it too?
Tried it on a netbook with a fresh Chrome after it happened with no extensions on. That kinda sucks.
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post May 29 2014, 08:20
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 28 2014, 22:31) *

>we all just pretend it's a little bit more constructive
pfff

Okay. Here are four. Exquisite Estoc of Balance, Exquisite Cobalt Power Armor of Balance, Average Shade Gauntlets of Negation, and Superior Shade Boots of the Fleet.


Average quality items are always junk/Bazaar fodder.
Superior Shade, unless it's really good, you'll be lucky to get a few more credits than the Bazaar would pay.
Exquisite Power... often ~20-30k, unless it's Slaughter.

Weapons almost always need to be Elemental or Ethereal to get good prices... though someone might buy that Estoc for the 8-9 bindings they'd be able to salvage from it.
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post May 29 2014, 08:22
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QUOTE(Kanery @ May 29 2014, 14:05) *
I see. I'm guessing that a lot of others have it too?
Tried it on a netbook with a fresh Chrome after it happened with no extensions on. That kinda sucks.
Dunno cuz you described it as "weird screen-flash", when a slow script is the culprit it would show a blank brown-ish background for a second or two. This problem can also happen when the server is busy as well, so you should try the alt.hentaiverse.org

As for Firefox, be sure to play HV on a separate window instead of mixing it up with other tabs, holy_demon have explained why a few posts back.
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post May 29 2014, 08:45
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 29 2014, 01:37) *

Wow, that's such a complicated'ly detailed question, except that there's no definitive answer for such a board question.

To make this board-based question simple, just get the HV Shop system script thingie and it should've give you a good enough pricing to call it a day.
For melee weapons, equip prefixes is more important than stats, EXmax, Magmax and Legmax ADB can be cashed in for a premium. Ethereal weapons prefered, especially those with holystrike/darkstrike.
For staves, anything other than destruction staves or matching elemental prefix/suffixes is subpar and won't sell a lot.
For armors, the bandwagon is on phase, shade and power armors, phases with high EDB sells a lot, slaugther armors with high ADB would sells a lot as well.
Keep this in mind and call it a day for your board question.

Thanks... although I'm not sure the HV Shop script does that.

QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 29 2014, 01:45) *

2H Heavy is not my fighting style but the Power armour is probably worth 50k+, the Estoc is forgettable on it's own but the salvage value for the bindings alone would place it past 150k+.


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Average quality items are always junk/Bazaar fodder.
Superior Shade, unless it's really good, you'll be lucky to get a few more credits than the Bazaar would pay.
Exquisite Power... often ~20-30k, unless it's Slaughter.

Weapons almost always need to be Elemental or Ethereal to get good prices... though someone might buy that Estoc for the 8-9 bindings they'd be able to salvage from it.

I remember buying this power armor for 44k a long time ago. And this estoc has 10 Bindings of Isaac in it. I'm keeping it for personal usage until I get more money for a better one.
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post May 29 2014, 09:45
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 28 2014, 23:45) *

I remember buying this power armor for 44k a long time ago. And this estoc has 10 Bindings of Isaac in it. I'm keeping it for personal usage until I get more money for a better one.

Yes, it does have 10 bindings in it... but you only get back 80%-90% (depending on your forge level) of the materials when you salvage something. Thus, 8 or 9 Bindings back.
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post May 29 2014, 09:46
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Grr...

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post May 29 2014, 09:56
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 16:45) *

Thanks... although I'm not sure the HV Shop script does that.
I remember buying this power armor for 44k a long time ago. And this estoc has 10 Bindings of Isaac in it. I'm keeping it for personal usage until I get more money for a better one.

Any cheap ethereal estoc will be better than your estoc just for the void strike. I'd say you salvage it, sell all the binding and buy an ethereal weapon with money, or just get a free ethereal estoc from the freeshop and use the money for something, like training (Frankly I won't even recommend you to use estoc since it's so cost inefficient right now, but it's your choice)

Power Balance is a niche, so only mag+ will ever see value.

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post May 29 2014, 10:20
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 28 2014, 23:45) *

Thanks... although I'm not sure the HV Shop script does that.
I remember buying this power armor for 44k a long time ago. And this estoc has 10 Bindings of Isaac in it. I'm keeping it for personal usage until I get more money for a better one.


I'd get 8 back from salvaging since my forge experience isn't all that high, I'd also lose whatever amount of forge experience value that estoc has, though I'd get 80% back when I forge the Isaacs into the equipment of my choice. I'd never had good experience trying estoc so I never collected any - if you want to keep on playing 2H, I have this Mace that I'd be happy to trade for that estoc.
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post May 29 2014, 11:07
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 29 2014, 03:45) *

Yes, it does have 10 bindings in it... but you only get back 80%-90% (depending on your forge level) of the materials when you salvage something. Thus, 8 or 9 Bindings back.

I figured it worked like that.

QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 29 2014, 03:56) *

Any cheap ethereal estoc will be better than your estoc just for the void strike. I'd say you salvage it, sell all the binding and buy an ethereal weapon with money, or just get a free ethereal estoc from the freeshop and use the money for something, like training (Frankly I won't even recommend you to use estoc since it's so cost inefficient right now, but it's your choice)

Power Balance is a niche, so only mag+ will ever see value.

Gotcha about the Power Balance. I reckon too it's gotta have really high Acc and Crit + at least four PABs and decent damage.

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I'd get 8 back from salvaging since my forge experience isn't all that high, I'd also lose whatever amount of forge experience value that estoc has, though I'd get 80% back when I forge the Isaacs into the equipment of my choice. I'd never had good experience trying estoc so I never collected any - if you want to keep on playing 2H, I have this Mace that I'd be happy to trade for that estoc.

That mace is really tempting with that stun effect... but the crit and acc are too low for my tastes. And I've got a slaughter estoc just a couple of points around your mace's WD.

You've all turned me away from the Estoc as a 2H weapon and towards mace. The latter has higher standard max acc, PABs, and it has stun! I think I'll be trolling around for ethereal maces...
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post May 29 2014, 11:28
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 11:07) *

That mace is really tempting with that stun effect... but the crit and acc are too low for my tastes. And I've got a slaughter estoc just a couple of points around your mace's WD.

You've all turned me away from the Estoc as a 2H weapon and towards mace. The latter has higher standard max acc, PABs, and it has stun! I think I'll be trolling around for ethereal maces...

acc is so-so, but crit is EMax. also, consider that is hollowforged, and max IW on a weapon would cost more than what you earn from salvaging your estoc, and with a few featherweight it would be almost like an ethereal. it doesn't seem so bad of a trade to me...
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post May 29 2014, 12:55
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acc is so-so, but crit is EMax. also, consider that is hollowforged, and max IW on a weapon would cost more than what you earn from salvaging your estoc, and with a few featherweight it would be almost like an ethereal. it doesn't seem so bad of a trade to me...

Mhm... Something like this at a free shop is mighty tempting though. Magnificent Mace of Balance
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post May 29 2014, 13:05
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 12:55) *

Mhm... Something like this at a free shop is mighty tempting though. Magnificent Mace of Balance

yes, but consider that once you stun a mob it can't evade and usually it requires only one turn or two, so accuracy is not that much of a matter...
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post May 29 2014, 13:31
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yes, but consider that once you stun a mob it can't evade and usually it requires only one turn or two, so accuracy is not that much of a matter...

You're making this hard on me... I've got 110k on hand so I'm gonna look around the stores for a mace with better crit... which is the other thing I was looking at in the mace I linked, although I didn't think about the monsters being unable to dodge.
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post May 29 2014, 13:48
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 21:31) *

You're making this hard on me... I've got 110k on hand so I'm gonna look around the stores for a mace with better crit... which is the other thing I was looking at in the mace I linked, although I didn't think about the monsters being unable to dodge.


Exquisite Arctic Mace of Slaughter

What do you think about this? I can sell it to you for 30k :/

Though, really you just need to buy ethereal mace slaughter, and it will outperform any non-ethereal mace regardless of stats. The thing with non-eth is that you need level 10 IW to be good.

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post May 29 2014, 14:50
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 20:31) *

You're making this hard on me... I've got 110k on hand so I'm gonna look around the stores for a mace with better crit... which is the other thing I was looking at in the mace I linked, although I didn't think about the monsters being unable to dodge.


Sorry but I gonna make thing even harder to you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Consider switching to 1H or DW. I heard that 2H is not good bad at higher level (>200?) or difficulty. While stunned mobs unable to dodge, but the one that aren't, can. At higher level/difficulty, the mob will have high mitigation too. Even PA using Estoc won't help because of evade and parry from mobs.
I never use 2H so just shoot correct me if I'm wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post May 29 2014, 16:30
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ May 29 2014, 20:50) *

Sorry but I gonna make thing even harder to you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Consider switching to 1H or DW. I heard that 2H is not good bad at higher level (>200?) or difficulty. While stunned mobs unable to dodge, but the one that aren't, can. At higher level/difficulty, the mob will have high mitigation too. Even PA using Estoc won't help because of evade and parry from mobs.
I never use 2H so just shoot correct me if I'm wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


With lots of forging + Leg. Grade stuffs, 2H might actually work at VERY high level (<400?) seeing how most of the highest level players (jenga201, StonyCat etc.) all included 2H in their playstyle.

They might know things we don't. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 29 2014, 16:37
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 07:30) *

With lots of forging + Leg. Grade stuffs, 2H might actually work at VERY high level (<400?) seeing how most of the highest level players (jenga201, StonyCat etc.) all included 2H in their playstyle.

They might know things we don't. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


I think they know the feeling of having ludicrous amounts of money to fund their 2H?
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post May 29 2014, 16:44
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 22:30) *

With lots of forging + Leg. Grade stuffs, 2H might actually work at VERY high level (<400?) seeing how most of the highest level players (jenga201, StonyCat etc.) all included 2H in their playstyle.

They might know things we don't. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

They used to be 2H fighters in older version.
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post May 29 2014, 17:21
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FYI in current version 2H Power is suicidal even with 100x forged leg. estoc at 426 lv.
Just try to do with Shade - probably with 20+ forged leg (agile) shade fleet/SD like jenga if someone want to test 2H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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