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use a weapon with Void+holy+dark will generally speed things up a bit. however, imo, unless you're able to do the SG arenas @BT+ (or preferably PF) at a reasonable time, i'll just skip them.

you can use those time to just grind more arenas at a higher difficulty & get more drops. SG trophies are somewhat over rated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Wait, wait, wait. I've been doing arenas on normal because
1. I'm a wuss
2. Exquisite gear doesn't gear carry.
3. As far as I know, token drop rates are not affected by difficulty.

Should I not be doing this, and if not, what should I be doing?

Edit2: How high is Emax/Mmax?

This shield I had for auction has ExMax block chance... ExMax is around 37% while MMax is around 39% to me...

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 24 2014, 11:18

Wait, wait, wait. I've been doing arenas on normal because
1. I'm a wuss
2. Exquisite gear doesn't gear carry.
3. As far as I know, token drop rates are not affected by difficulty.

Should I not be doing this, and if not, what should I be doing?

1. Playstyle is really up to you if you can do all of arena and blood at normal it's pretty much end game you can only make it harder for yourself.
2. IDK
3. I think that is for the second page only....

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3047702

Okay maybe I was wrong you're script is messing with one or two of my 8 scripts... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: May 24 2014, 11:27

This shield I had for auction has ExMax block chance... ExMax is around 37% while MMax is around 39% to me...

thanks. though, because of lvl scaling, it's better to use Base Stat & compared to the Equipment Range on the wiki.

Max Block = 30.8
Emax = 32.87
MMax = 33.92

your shield has a 32.41 after 1 forge which is still somewhat lower than Emax. however, since you're not forging it or there's isn't really a pt in forging a Emax shield (unless you're rolling in credits & don't know how to spend them). & imo, buying an Emax (or MMax shield without forging) doesn't really do you any good. that ~1% more block is not that significant.

Wait, wait, wait. I've been doing arenas on normal because
1. I'm a wuss
2. Exquisite gear doesn't gear carry.
3. As far as I know, token drop rates are not affected by difficulty.

Should I not be doing this, and if not, what should I be doing?

imo, early on <lvl250, most of my income is from Noodly + doing as many Arenas as possible for drops. however, doing too many low difficulty rounds lower your drop quality. so doing it all on normal might not be that good.

Wait, wait, wait. I've been doing arenas on normal because
1. I'm a wuss
2. Exquisite gear doesn't gear carry.
3. As far as I know, token drop rates are not affected by difficulty.

Should I not be doing this, and if not, what should I be doing?

doing them on normal is a good idea if you're farming tokens, but if you want more credits, slightly better drops, AND tokens you should do them on the highest difficulty you can faceroll things at. usually that means hell difficulty.

i'm not sure what you mean in 2, so i'm ignoring it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by something: May 24 2014, 11:35

imo, early on <lvl250, most of my income is from Noodly + doing as many Arenas as possible for drops. however, doing too many low difficulty rounds lower your drop quality. so doing it all on normal might not be that good.

Hmm, all non-SG arenas has a total of 879 rounds, 820 if you count less-than 1k reward arenas. As for SG arenas, well, it have a total of 385 rounds. Though you'd probably would want to do these on Hell+ difficulty for it to worth a thing.

2. Exquisite gear doesn't gear carry.

... Don't tell me... you don't have exquisite-grade equips? Oh boy...

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 24 2014, 11:52

If a style can't reasonably function with unforged exquisite gears, it's not viable

Then going mage is not viable at high levels by that standard.

Unfortunately, it's not a viable style at all. At any level.

Its not attitude I think its a translation issue, you are both confusing viability with popularity and how optimal a style is. It happens a lot on these forums, a lot of the top mages have just abandoned my element Mjolnir because its suboptimal compared to wind and holy, but its still viable, its just definitely not the best. It would be like me saying that the only viable maging style at the moment is Holy, that would be inaccurate because it confuses popularity and how optimal a style is with viability.

Niten has a lot of issues, so its not worth playing at lower levels, it would be fair to say its not viable at lower levels. At higher levels it needs more investment to become viable compared to other styles like 1h. That doesn't make it non-viable, though there are big problems like the proficiency that definitely needs to be fixed. If someone has a tiny budget then niten may not be viable and board and sword would be better.

The original question was not whether it was the best, but whether the style is reasonable at higher levels, from my perspective even though you will have to spend double the amount of credits compared to some of the melee styles to me that's still reasonable. You could say that given the extra cost its non feasible but mages spend much more.

I could spend half what I've spent on maging and have a peerless ethereal katana and waki, and fully forged legendary shade gear and it would be extremely viable.

1h + phase is barely viable with 10s of millions invested, it would be fair to say its not viable. Trying Niten with zero prof and phase gear now, it seems not completely terrible on hell. Its the least viable niten build, non-ethereal katana and waki + phase gear. I don't think that's viable for pfudor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Did we have a ninja update or something? My DwD time decreases by a whole 5 minutes, and my Hellfest by 15 mins (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Okay maybe I was wrong you're script is messing with one or two of my 8 scripts... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Just turn off what is funny, by changing "true" to "false" in the "settings" (line 25 to 31).

Did we have a ninja update or something? My DwD time decreases by a whole 5 minutes, and my Hellfest by 15 mins (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Someone just ninja feed their monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Colman: May 24 2014, 12:48

Did we have a ninja update or something? My DwD time decreases by a whole 5 minutes, and my Hellfest by 15 mins (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Hate it when something like this happens. Builds up expectations only to have them shattered the next day when clear times are back to normal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Just turn off what is funny, by changing "true" to "false" in the "settings" (line 25 to 31).
Someone just ninja feed their monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Just checked and didn't realize I had two of your HV slim on lol....

Its not attitude I think its a translation issue, you are both confusing viability with popularity and how optimal a style is.

Although I took the pain to read your wall of text, the only part even worth quoting is this.

The one here with reading comprehension problems seems to be just you. First: don't lump multiple users together and label them according to your tastes. Second: unless told otherwise by the autor of a post, don't assume he meant something different from what he actually wrote.

If I wrote "it's not viable" I meant "it's not viable". It's not up to debate.

Assuming otherwise is a sign of condiscendence on your part, as if people wouldn't be able to convey their thoughts and you are oh-so-gently coming down and teaching them how they should write what you'd like them to. The only answer to that is: go fuck yourself.

Now, since it looks like you're not the sharpest tool in the shed I'll try and write it in a way it'd be difficult to misunderstand:

Niten Ichiryuu is not viable for several reasons:

One of them surely is NOT the rarity and level of the gear used. That's NOT a useful parameter to measure the viability of any style. High level gear for other styles makes them more effective, not "less sucky".

The problem is with the style itself. The crucial problems are:

The style doesn't even give you any proficiency. You have to play two other different styles to gain it. It makes you waste thrice the time.

The range of its attacks and Ability is narrow. It makes you kill stuff more slowly.

It lacks the ability to break the flow of a fight: you can't stun nor one-shot enemies.

The defense bonuses granted by Niten don't make up for its drawbacks.


In the end, playing 2H with the same katana and the same armor you'd use for Niten is more effective: you last longer, kill faster and can manage the occasional pinch with 2H abilities.

I tested the above over and over, 'cos I actually like the basic idea behind Niten Ichiryu. It just doesn't work.

Ergo, Niten isn't viable.


Keep your sophistry for yourself and, again, go fuck yourself. Thank you for your cooperation.

I tested the above over and over, 'cos I actually like the basic idea behind Niten Ichiryu. It just doesn't work.

If you use the skill frequently, you may found Niten better than 2H. However, it is too expensive to obtain the useful weapons for a minimal improvement.

BTW, it is because 2H suck but not because Niten great.

This post has been edited by Colman: May 24 2014, 13:50

Ergo, Niten isn't viable.

If you use the skill frequently, you may found Niten better than 2H. However, it is too expensive to obtain the useful weapons for a minimal improvement.

Make that "usuable, but impractical". Definitely not practical enough to be a candidate of the bandwagon, but hey, I'd say Admin-kun had intended the Niten style to be like this here in the Hentaiverse all along.

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 24 2014, 14:12

If you use the skill frequently, you may found Niten better than 2H. However, it is too expensive to obtain the useful weapons for a minimal improvement.

BTW, it is because 2H suck but not because Niten great.

When I constantly face 8+ monsters late in a grindfest, Niten's ability isn't of much help if the critters require several hits to go down. OTOH, 2H chain can help breaking the flow, letting me focus only on half of the enemies (be it the PA/Stunned half or the still active half, depending on the circumstances).

IME I still find 2H as more effective than Niten, although 2H with the recent nerfs has lost most of its effectiveness too.

How much does an mmax + 3pab force shield go for nowadays? I saw one get sold a few days ago for 500k but I'm pretty sure that was just a fluke, would've bought it if I had seen it first (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) .

How much does an mmax + 3pab force shield go for nowadays? I saw one get sold a few days ago for 500k but I'm pretty sure that was just a fluke, would've bought it if I had seen it first (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) .

generally, 800k-1.2mil + another 1mil credits for forging. that's why i got VV instead. though, i've seen Mmax shield sold for 500k-800k in WTS these pass couple weeks. i guess they are scared of the update?

anyway, you can do the first 2 SG @PF with a Emax non-forged shield.

I've been using 1H + shield + heavy armor for a while, but I've recently gotten my hands on a mag katana so I'm thinking about switching to 2H. Since I'm losing my ~49% block chance and my level isn't high enough for the 2H parry ability, should I be using light armor with high evade for survivability? Should I go tank like I did with 1H, or glass cannon?

Then going mage is not viable at high levels by that standard.
Its not attitude I think its a translation issue, you are both confusing viability with popularity and how optimal a style is. It happens a lot on these forums, a lot of the top mages have just abandoned my element Mjolnir because its suboptimal compared to wind and holy, but its still viable, its just definitely not the best. It would be like me saying that the only viable maging style at the moment is Holy, that would be inaccurate because it confuses popularity and how optimal a style is with viability.

Niten has a lot of issues, so its not worth playing at lower levels, it would be fair to say its not viable at lower levels. At higher levels it needs more investment to become viable compared to other styles like 1h. That doesn't make it non-viable, though there are big problems like the proficiency that definitely needs to be fixed. If someone has a tiny budget then niten may not be viable and board and sword would be better.

The original question was not whether it was the best, but whether the style is reasonable at higher levels, from my perspective even though you will have to spend double the amount of credits compared to some of the melee styles to me that's still reasonable. You could say that given the extra cost its non feasible but mages spend much more.

I could spend half what I've spent on maging and have a peerless ethereal katana and waki, and fully forged legendary shade gear and it would be extremely viable.

1h + phase is barely viable with 10s of millions invested, it would be fair to say its not viable. Trying Niten with zero prof and phase gear now, it seems not completely terrible on hell. Its the least viable niten build, non-ethereal katana and waki + phase gear. I don't think that's viable for pfudor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

FYI, holy mage can do PFUDOR DwD with limited gear and forging, so it's extremely viable. Elemental mage, on the other hand... The holy vs elemental situation is kinda like PA vs bleeding (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

To keep it short, 1H is optimal, holy mage is popular, DW/elemental mage is viable, everything else is unviable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 24 2014, 15:30

To keep it short, 1H is optimal, holy mage is popular, DW/elemental mage is viable, everything else is suboptimal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thanks, guess I'll stick to 1H then.