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May 24 2014, 06:12
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kawaiikun
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So i've started end of days, at nightmare difficulty i shoul've know that there are a lot of schoolgirls there, now i will take a lot to complete it, i'm around the 74th battle, man i think i will complete it at morning
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May 24 2014, 06:16
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 24 2014, 06:12)  So i've started end of days, at nightmare difficulty i shoul've know that there are a lot of schoolgirls there, now i will take a lot to complete it, i'm around the 74th battle, man i think i will complete it at morning
use a weapon with Void+holy+dark will generally speed things up a bit. however, imo, unless you're able to do the SG arenas @BT+ (or preferably PF) at a reasonable time, i'll just skip them. you can use those time to just grind more arenas at a higher difficulty & get more drops. SG trophies are somewhat over rated. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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May 24 2014, 06:19
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kawaiikun
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 23 2014, 23:16)  use a weapon with Void+holy+dark will generally speed things up a bit. however, imo, unless you're able to do the SG arenas @BT+ (or preferably PF) at a reasonable time, i'll just skip them. you can use those time to just grind more arenas at a higher difficulty & get more drops. SG trophies are somewhat over rated. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Yeah you're right, i will do it this time, just because the first time it is 50000c, better don't try it again
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May 24 2014, 06:42
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 24 2014, 14:12)  So i've started end of days, at nightmare difficulty i shoul've know that there are a lot of schoolgirls there, now i will take a lot to complete it, i'm around the 74th battle, man i think i will complete it at morning
The key to clearing SG is to spam your skill, especially T3 skill a lot, preferably right off cooldown. Also, use 1H or DW with rapier. This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 24 2014, 06:44
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May 24 2014, 06:44
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Hahhaa
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QUOTE(Numby @ May 24 2014, 12:58)  Yeah I am running 2h mace right now. Usually not a big issue if it is 6 or less since I can keep half of them stunned constantly. I have been training dual wield while knocking out easy arenas, but I guess I can start doing 1h there. Is the Niten style reasonable at the high end? It seems like the fact that you can only using bleeding weapons would hurt.
Some would say Niten style is joke while some would says it do able. I'm interested to see if it reasonable to do SG with Hallowed/Demonic niten set. Maybe I will test it out someday™. But right now, my 2H proficiency still at 0.
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May 24 2014, 06:52
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Numby @ May 24 2014, 09:51)  Thanks. So level 250 and the R hotkey. I just want to hold it down and watch TV while I grind the skill so I won't be swapping through 2 buttons. I wish there was a hotkey that just did the standard melee attack on the 1st thing alive. You'll go through tens if not hundreds of MP potions fast either way, so... oh well, slot all your Heroic Mana Potions and press F1, F2, F3 key... and so on once your MP reached half... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also, light armor works like a charm to me, cloth/phase armor is horribly inefficient to grind magic prof with really. QUOTE(Numby @ May 24 2014, 09:51)  Yeah I use Spark of Life usually. It just gets tough when the one that hits hard also has a ton of health. (which is always) Which do you recommend, Spirit Shield or Spark of Life? I personally use both since level 200, all saving throw counts for me being a mage and all. but yeah, as Cats Lover said, SS is inefficient before that level. Mainly because you'll be meeting loads of monsters which shaves off ~25% of your HP or so, so when several of them attacks at once you'll end up in the red anyways...
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May 24 2014, 08:02
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Hoheneim
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QUOTE(Numby @ May 24 2014, 05:58)  Is the Niten style reasonable at the high end? It seems like the fact that you can only using bleeding weapons would hurt.
Unfortunately, it's not a viable style at all. At any level.
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May 24 2014, 08:25
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 24 2014, 12:42)  The key to clearing SG is to spam your skill, especially T3 skill a lot, preferably right off cooldown. Also, use 1H or DW with rapier. You mean Paradise Lost or/and Ragnarok? Sounds like that's gonna eat loads of MP... QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 24 2014, 14:02)  Unfortunately, it's not a viable style at all. At any level. Well, not viable enough to be a bandwagon style really, as it's really only slightly better 2H and than dual wield, both styles are really lacking in defense. And you can't gain any weapon prof on it, so you'll want to be Level 250 + high 2H & DW prof at least. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 24 2014, 08:28
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May 24 2014, 08:38
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 24 2014, 16:25)  You mean Paradise Lost or/and Ragnarok? Sounds like that's gonna eat loads of MP... Well, not viable enough to be a bandwagon style really, as it's really only slightly better 2H and than dual wield, both styles are really lacking in defense. And you can't gain any weapon prof on it, so you'll want to be Level 250 + high 2H & DW prof at least.
Nah I was talking about melee.
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May 24 2014, 08:44
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 23 2014, 20:02)  Unfortunately, it's not a viable style at all. At any level.
Thats so inaccurate, it is viable but currently suboptimal. It has more defense than 2h but requires optimal weapon selection and IWing. For it to be effective you are going to need legendary gear, as opposed to other melee styles whereyou can get away with cheaper gear and there is more room different load outs. Its more accurate to say that its only really viable for higher level players with deeper pockets.
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May 24 2014, 09:01
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TygerTyger
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Is it more worth to buy a legendary shield with only 34% block chance with and good PAB's (all 40+) for 400k or a exquisite one with 36.17% with wind mitigation and okay PAB's for 100k? Edit: Or better to stay with my own...
This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: May 24 2014, 09:04
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May 24 2014, 09:09
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 24 2014, 16:44)  Thats so inaccurate, it is viable but currently suboptimal. It has more defense than 2h but requires optimal weapon selection and IWing. For it to be effective you are going to need legendary gear, as opposed to other melee styles whereyou can get away with cheaper gear and there is more room different load outs. Its more accurate to say that its only really viable for higher level players with deeper pockets.
Well if I have legendary rapier of battlecaster, force shield, and phase of heimdall with tons of forging, I'm sure that even 1H + Phase could work (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) If a style can't reasonably function with unforged exquisite gears, it's not viable Btw 1H+phase actually works better than waki+heavy, it at least has easier time clearing non SG PFUDOR arena that isn't too demanding on MP (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Still, waki+light is okayish for light stuff like Hellfest This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 24 2014, 09:16
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May 24 2014, 09:18
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 24 2014, 08:44)  Thats so inaccurate, it is viable but currently suboptimal. It has more defense than 2h but requires optimal weapon selection and IWing. For it to be effective you are going to need legendary gear, as opposed to other melee styles whereyou can get away with cheaper gear and there is more room different load outs. Its more accurate to say that its only really viable for higher level players with deeper pockets.
imo, consider the effort in doing Niten, the payoff isn't really that great. hving to grind DW+2H prof outside your "normal" style is a pain. though, iirc, etothex & Cats Lover have some pretty good result with Niten. QUOTE(Mikey_Mike @ May 24 2014, 09:01)  Is it more worth to buy a legendary shield with only 34% block chance with and good PAB's (all 40+) for 400k or a exquisite one with 36.17% with wind mitigation and okay PAB's for 100k? Edit: Or better to stay with my own...
what kind of shield are we talking about? kite? force? though, imo, go with the cheapest force shield with the highest Block + 3PAB.
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May 24 2014, 09:41
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 24 2014, 09:18)  imo, consider the effort in doing Niten, the payoff isn't really that great. hving to grind DW+2H prof outside your "normal" style is a pain. though, iirc, etothex & Cats Lover have some pretty good result with Niten. what kind of shield are we talking about? kite? force? though, imo, go with the cheapest force shield with the highest Block + 3PAB. Both deflection
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May 24 2014, 10:09
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Mikey_Mike @ May 24 2014, 09:41)  Both deflection
imo, your current shield in your signature is fine, but i wouldn't forge it. If you want more safety, i'll get at least a Emax shield or if you want, you can to save up for a MMax shield + forging. though, i'll get a new rapier instead. more damage is always nice. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) more safety is a lot easier than more damage. you can always get Leg Protection/Warding (or even Leg Plate) stuff relatively cheap or you can IW everything for more HP & elemental mitigation. tl;dr try to figure out what you need in order to do TT & SGs arenas @PF
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May 24 2014, 10:17
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 24 2014, 10:09)  imo, your current shield in your signature is fine, but i wouldn't forge it. If you want more safety, i'll get at least a Emax shield or if you want, you can to save up for a MMax shield + forging. though, i'll get a new rapier instead. more damage is always nice. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) more safety is a lot easier than more damage. you can always get Leg Protection/Warding (or even Leg Plate) stuff relatively cheap or you can IW everything for more HP & elemental mitigation. tl;dr try to figure out what you need in order to do TT & SGs arenas @PF Hard to find a good non overpriced 3 pab rapier.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Edit: Wish there was a script to warn me when I reach 50% health (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Edit2: How high is Emax/Mmax? This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: May 24 2014, 10:29
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May 24 2014, 10:45
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Mikey_Mike @ May 24 2014, 18:17)  Hard to find a good non overpriced 3 pab rapier.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Edit: Wish there was a script to warn me when I reach 50% health (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Edit2: How high is Emax/Mmax? If you don't care about SG, use a shortsword. Also, 2PAB rapier without END should work just fine.
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May 24 2014, 10:54
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Hoheneim
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 24 2014, 08:44)  Thats so inaccurate, it is viable but currently suboptimal. It has more defense than 2h but requires optimal weapon selection and IWing. For it to be effective you are going to need legendary gear, as opposed to other melee styles whereyou can get away with cheaper gear and there is more room different load outs. Its more accurate to say that its only really viable for higher level players with deeper pockets.
It'd be even more accurate to say that if a style works only if a Great Conjunction occurs in a new Trigon, then that style isn't viable at all. BTW, playing Niten myself I know about its shortcomings first-hand all too well. Drop the nonsense and the attitude, thank you.
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