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May 18 2014, 02:45
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n125
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QUOTE(SPoison @ May 17 2014, 12:33)  I have nothing towards maging, how hard is it to dark mage? I've been thinking about doing it since my drops ended up with a lot o fenrir stuff.
While it's not literally unplayable, dark is considered to be the worst magic damage type right now. QUOTE(Owyn @ May 17 2014, 13:19)  so pure firepower isn't pure price?
It usually is. You could sit there also taking into account ET duration and chance, counter-resist, and so on when coming up with a price; but personally, I wouldn't be motivated to do that. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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May 18 2014, 02:52
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SPoison
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 17 2014, 17:45)  While it's not literally unplayable, dark is considered to be the worst magic damage type right now.
Is there any particular reason or is every other one just better? I am thinking of doing it also to train that forbidden to later use spirit tap thing.
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May 18 2014, 03:14
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n125
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QUOTE(SPoison @ May 17 2014, 17:52)  Is there any particular reason or is every other one just better? I am thinking of doing it also to train that forbidden to later use spirit tap thing.
It doesn't offer enough to balance out its downsides. Elemental damage types get a stronger Imperil and faster and cheaper spells. Holy has a decent specific mitigation profile, its EDB gives a significant boost to Cure, and its Breached Defense proc further reduces enemy Magical Mitigation. Dark spells have the same base damage, slow cast speed, and MP cost as holy spells, but it doesn't really have anything significant enough to make up for that.
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May 18 2014, 03:36
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LostLogia4
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 18 2014, 08:44)  QUOTE(blue penguin @ May 18 2014, 07:19)  hi, I just came here to steal post number 50k nope, yours is 49999 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Dude, you guys are seat-hoggers (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(n125 @ May 18 2014, 09:14)  Dark spells have the same base damage, slow cast speed, and MP cost as holy spells, but it doesn't really have anything significant enough to make up for that. Btw, gc-kun is a dark mage as well. iirc dark mages used to have 4 spells or watever way back before the mages was nerfed. Come a certain mage-nerfing patch and now darkmages became the worst of the bunch. so gc00018 started to fuck the shit and decided to sic these skull-reaping "In Memory of Dark Mages" upon us. Hell of a reminder as to how powerful dark mages were back then... Here's the Twilight Samurai-kun's (actually a so-called hallowed wizard) comment on the story: QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 1 2014, 01:38)  I think it's last place TBH. Before 0.76 dark was prob better than holy. There was only T1,2 for holy. But T3, Ragnarok, for dark.
There was elemental? explosions, so as elemental mage you could rotate through different elements. Start with Wind, which makes mobs weak to Elec; cast Elec, makes mob weak to Fire; Cast Fire, makes mob weak to Cold; Cast Cold, makes mobs weak to Wind. Repeat. Something like that. And Prof used to give magic damage bonus, so Staff/Cloth 'of the elementalist' was useful, and it was viable to do the elemental rotation thing.
So on to the dark story.... We used to just cast smite/banishment on mobs, which proc'd something that made them weak to dark. So then you cast Ragnarok, and the holy explosion made the damage much greater, which then proc'd something that made them weak to holy. Repeat. I would guess that smite then is today's modern-day imperil.
Speaking of imperil, dark/holy got weaker again in 0.77 after gc000018 had complained that imperil was too strong, so TEnboro kept imperil the same for elemental mage, and reduced imperil's effectiveness for holy/dark. So gc000018 basically shot himself (and the rest of us) in the foot. Oh well, I'm holy mage now. Long live the dark mage, I suppose.
edit: oh yeah, as etothex reminded me, having a mitigation floor of 0 really fucked us too. It used to be we could imperil mobs and they'd have -50 spec mit. Having a floor means there is no advantage for holy/dark in terms of mit profile.
And n125's comment while I'm at it. QUOTE(n125 @ May 1 2014, 06:14)  Nah, elemental rotation wasn't very useful after Imperil was introduced to the game. EDB contributed twice as much to damage as proficiency, so it was better to go full phase and just Imperil specific monsters. The damage multiplier for explosions also had a large range (0.5-1.5). I tried going back to my Elementalist set every now and then but the damage couldn't really keep up with phase and Imperil. Elemental's only advantages back then were very inexpensive equipment and T1 spells. Holy had T2 and T3 spells, while dark had T3 and T4 spells.
As for Imperil, it was nerfed across the board. Initially, it had -50 to elemental specific mitigation, and it was reduced to -40. Dark and Holy Imperil initially had -30, and they were reduced to -25. At the same time though, the effect of proficiency on specific mitigation was enhanced to compensate, albeit (I think) not fully for most people.
Dark really needs a special perk (like holy with Cure), or have its spell costs reduced, all the way down to match elemental, or sit somewhere between elemental and holy. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 18 2014, 04:11
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May 18 2014, 04:39
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Fuu
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Just found Golden One-Bit Coin in my noob Artifacts and Trophies list. What should I do with it then? (How much it worth now? or just shrine it to the Lady Luck?)
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May 18 2014, 05:18
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Fuu @ May 18 2014, 10:39)  Just found Golden One-Bit Coin in my noob Artifacts and Trophies list. What should I do with it then? (How much it worth now? or just shrine it to the Lady Luck?)
Uh, it can be sold for at least 120 Kilocredits right now... but I wouldn't sell it off right away if I were you. As for shrining, you can get anything from Exquisite to Legendary-grade equip... but it rarely gives off anything worthwhile really. EDIT: I hereby declare my wish to launch an auction thread here. Got nothing to auction atm, but if you have equips you wanna sell, then I'll be glad to auction it off for you. Also, how did the shopkeepers and auction host keep track of the equips? I have loads of equips on auction now and it's borderline a nightmare to manage all of them. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 18 2014, 11:01
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May 18 2014, 11:41
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 18 2014, 05:18)  Also, how did the shopkeepers and auction host keep track of the equips? I have loads of equips on auction now and it's borderline a nightmare to manage all of them.
that's why they introduce a 5/10% fee for their service, i suppose (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 18 2014, 11:48
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Cats Lover
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 18 2014, 18:41)  that's why they introduce a 5/10% fee for their service, i suppose (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Yes, and that's why I do not run my own shop. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I'm too lazy to manage it. BTW they are qualified for taking fee, not only for the proxy work of troublesome tasks, but also for high potential to get more final price, especially on popular auctions.
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May 18 2014, 11:48
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 18 2014, 05:18)  Also, how did the shopkeepers and auction host keep track of the equips? I have loads of equips on auction now and it's borderline a nightmare to manage all of them.
iirc, Komica just use word/excel. also, they generally ask people to send in items with the bbs code in the MM, so they can just copy&paste it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ie Magnificent Tempestuous Redwood Staff of DestructionThis post has been edited by malkatmp: May 18 2014, 11:49
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May 18 2014, 11:55
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 18 2014, 13:18)  Also, how did the shopkeepers and auction host keep track of the equips? I have loads of equips on auction now and it's borderline a nightmare to manage all of them.
Pretty much all of them (especially the one with fancy color and font) use HV Mini Shop Helper or HV Shop System script. They are stickied in WTS forum. Some auctioneers probably use their private auto update scripts to help with accepting bids. This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 18 2014, 11:59
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May 18 2014, 12:04
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Cleavs
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Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 18 2014, 11:55)  Pretty much all of them (especially the one with fancy color and font) use HV Mini Shop Helper or HV Shop System script. They are stickied in WTS forum.
Some auctioneers probably use their private auto update scripts to help with accepting bids.
wasn't it a one-time-only guy a couple of weeks ago?
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May 18 2014, 12:06
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 18 2014, 20:04)  wasn't it a one-time-only guy a couple of weeks ago?
Nah he's not the only one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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May 18 2014, 12:40
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n125
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I use a shop helper to generate BB code but I organize everything in a Pastebin. It's still really annoying checking to make sure you're unlocking the right item, verifying the price, attaching the right item, and crossing it off the list. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) I'm still very new at this though so maybe I'll eventually find a better workflow.
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May 18 2014, 12:47
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LostLogia4
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 18 2014, 18:40)  I use a shop helper to generate BB code but I organize everything in a Pastebin. It's still really annoying checking to make sure you're unlocking the right item, verifying the price, attaching the right item, and crossing it off the list. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) I'm still very new at this though so maybe I'll eventually find a better workflow. Naw, I'll just put SENT on the empty box. And ah, yeah, would've been horrible to have your hard work be eaten by data vampires... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I'm using the Mini Shop Helper, but uh... how do I auto-add colors on equip links?
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May 18 2014, 13:08
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tempasdf
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3.2mC - LotD 24 2.2mC - Crystarium I 2.2mC - Vigorous Vitality which option from the list is better in credits: pfudor-fest, 1 x R300, LotD 23, Vigorous Vitality pfudor-fest, 1 x R250, LotD 23, Crystarium I pfudor-fest, 2 x R150, LotD 23, Crystarium I pfudor-fest, 1 x R250, LotD 24 pfudor-fest, 2 x R150, LotD 24 Thanks for answers ^^in these latter days have become increasingly to drop average-superior and one Mag+ in few days (PFUDOR, LotD 23) but earlier (including LotD 20-22) was mostly droped sup-exq and few common Mag daily so I do not really want to spend 3.2mC on it but probably it is necessary because Grindfest without CrysII and Tokenizer is unprofitable or am I wrong? what your minimum requirements for fest?
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May 18 2014, 13:13
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boulay
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 18 2014, 12:47)  Naw, I'll just put SENT on the empty box. And ah, yeah, would've been horrible to have your hard work be eaten by data vampires... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I'm using the Mini Shop Helper, but uh... how do I auto-add colors on equip links? To add colors, you can just include the color BBCode to the mini shop helper formatting e.g. CODE [color=#FF0000][URL=$URL]$NAME[/URL][/color] or CODE [URL=$URL][color=#FF0000]$NAME[/color][/URL] to get it red, etc... The following is just a rough idea that came to me just now: since you're aiming to start an auction, you can also use the mini shop helper formatting to place the name of the people selling stuff in it by entering their name in the $TAG column and using it in the formatting like the following: CODE [URL=$URL][color=red]$NAME[/color][/URL] | (Seller: $TAG) Just saying, maybe you already thought about it. ^^ This post has been edited by boulay: May 18 2014, 13:37
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May 18 2014, 13:19
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Colman
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QUOTE(tempasdf @ May 18 2014, 19:08)  3.2mC - LotD 24 2.2mC - Crystarium I 2.2mC - Vigorous Vitality which option from the list is better in credits: pfudor-fest, 1 x R300, LotD 23, Vigorous Vitality pfudor-fest, 1 x R250, LotD 23, Crystarium I pfudor-fest, 2 x R150, LotD 23, Crystarium I pfudor-fest, 1 x R250, LotD 24 pfudor-fest, 2 x R150, LotD 24 Thanks for answers ^^DwD@PF is the only place give you good drop that can sell. VV can help alot if your defense is not high enough. This post has been edited by Colman: May 18 2014, 13:19
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May 18 2014, 13:32
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Jeanne d'Arc
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 18 2014, 13:19)  DwD@PF is the only place give you good drop that can sell.
QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 16 2013, 13:03)  - Tweaked some drop ranges to better fit the pre-0.77 ones, and made the highest-end gear slightly less reliant on DwD/TT&T.
what ever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 18 2014, 13:35
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Colman
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QUOTE(Teresa of the Faint Smile @ May 18 2014, 19:32)  TenB just nerfed the TT&T to achieve it..........
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