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post May 16 2014, 08:54
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 16 2014, 14:41) *
'Reinforced' prefix provides all three of them. Not a big one, but it's better than nothing, of course.
Someone prefer Mithril to it, though.
Uh, who is that "someone"? Did he use 1H Mage setup by any chance?
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post May 16 2014, 09:21
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 16 2014, 15:54) *

Uh, who is that "someone"? Did he use 1H Mage setup by any chance?

It's because both Kite shield and Tower shield have high burden, unlike Force shield and Buckler.
Someone prefer 20% less burden to +1~2% more mitigations, in case of Kite and Tower.
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post May 16 2014, 13:53
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Question: how do you value the item? Does it have anything to do with the price on bazaar?
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post May 16 2014, 14:04
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QUOTE(Kaithera @ May 16 2014, 19:53) *

Question: how do you value the item? Does it have anything to do with the price on bazaar?

Use the price in "WTS" as reference, especially the recent auction.
No.
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post May 16 2014, 14:10
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QUOTE(Kaithera @ May 16 2014, 13:53) *

Question: how do you value the item? Does it have anything to do with the price on bazaar?

almost not, you can have a slight impression by yourself by visiting auctions/WTS as colmand said, but you should also keep an eye on the market and what people wants right now (for example, force shields with >Emax block, rapiers of slaughter, power of slaughter...)

but it's quite difficult to explain it in two words, you may try to price your items by yourself and judging by the velocity with which you're able to sell them: obviously in the first times you'll lose a few credits because some items would be underpriced, but eventually you'll come with pretty accurate evaluations...

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post May 16 2014, 14:57
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QUOTE(Kaithera @ May 16 2014, 19:53) *
Question: how do you value the item? Does it have anything to do with the price on bazaar?
Plenty of ways to value an item really. Bazaar pricing is one thing, but for items the item bot bids usually is a good indication of it's current value. WTS threads usually sells them slightly more than the market value while WTB usually buys them slightly below the market value.

Though as someone puts it, the whole item trading scheme is like a flea market...

Speaking of which, how much Chaos token would be needed to unlock all 100 monster slots?
iirc, gc-kun already have like, over 30 monsters already...

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post May 16 2014, 23:04
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speaking about g and tokens, it seems to me that IWs have gronw a bit harder (thus a bit more potions consumed). am i dumb or he really won a few tokens = monsters upgraded?
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post May 16 2014, 23:44
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 17 2014, 05:04) *

speaking about g and tokens, it seems to me that IWs have gronw a bit harder (thus a bit more potions consumed). am i dumb or he really won a few tokens = monsters upgraded?

The average PL were increased greatly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
You hardly see any PL8xx monsters nowadays.
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post May 16 2014, 23:53
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2014, 23:44) *

The average PL were increased greatly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
You hardly see any PL8xx monsters nowadays.

hurrah! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post May 16 2014, 23:57
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2014, 18:44) *

The average PL were increased greatly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
You hardly see any PL8xx monsters nowadays.

But, aren't the monsters capped at the level/difficult of the player fighting them?
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post May 17 2014, 00:10
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2014, 11:07) *

BTW, elemental mage can go further than holy mage in Hellfest.

Haven't tried Elemental maging with Hellfest yet, but I can easily clear Hellfest with Holy.
Elem maging does sound easier (or faster) because of the lesser MP costs but I don't really have any MP problems while doing it. The Mana gems + Riddlemasters + the occasional Ether Tap is enough. I usually end up with 2-4 Mana pots by the end of Hellfest.
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post May 17 2014, 00:12
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ May 17 2014, 02:10) *

Haven't tried Elemental maging with Hellfest yet, but I can easily clear Hellfest with Holy.
Elem maging does sound easier (or faster) because of the lesser MP costs but I don't really have any MP problems while doing it. The Mana gems + Riddlemasters + the occasional Ether Tap is enough. I usually end up with 2-4 Mana pots by the end of Hellfest.

how do you do "occasional Ether Tap" ? cuz I hate to ether tap, I just spell spam all the way thru battle and eat pots when needed
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post May 17 2014, 00:12
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QUOTE(botafogo @ May 16 2014, 14:57) *

But, aren't the monsters capped at the level/difficult of the player fighting them?

To quote Ronald Reagan...

Well, yes... and no.

A monster's effective level is capped... but the stats remain as given. So a Giant (for example) with 30 upgrades to Str & End is more powerful than a monster with 10 upgrades to all 6 stats.

Also, Chaos Token upgrades are independent of the monster's effective level. So a monster with a higher actual level will be able to have higher Chaos upgrades.

So... a monster with a Power Level of 800 maxes out at certain levels, while a monster with a Power Level of 1200 will have better stats and most likely have better Chaos upgrades.

Thus, if both monsters are fighting the same character, their effective level is near the same as the character... but their combat strengths are very different. Even if they're both the same type of monster.
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post May 17 2014, 00:15
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ May 16 2014, 18:10) *

Haven't tried Elemental maging with Hellfest yet, but I can easily clear Hellfest with Holy.
Elem maging does sound easier (or faster) because of the lesser MP costs but I don't really have any MP problems while doing it. The Mana gems + Riddlemasters + the occasional Ether Tap is enough. I usually end up with 2-4 Mana pots by the end of Hellfest.


Do you one shot the mobs??
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post May 17 2014, 00:30
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 16 2014, 10:23) *
Also, here's my relevant prof:
74.51 Staff
233.94 Cloth armor
193.38 Elemental
225.74 Supportive
Do i have to improve any of them?

If you have the time, then I'd say max your main element + all the others. Grind them all, even Staff and Deprecating prof.

QUOTE(Owyn @ May 17 2014, 06:12) *
how do you do "occasional Ether Tap" ? cuz I hate to ether tap, I just spell spam all the way thru battle and eat pots when needed

I ether tap when:
1) There's only 1 monster alive.
2) It has Coalesced Mana procced
3) It has very low HP.

That's it. At that point, it would be a waste to cast a spell just to kill it.
Hmm... Actually, I just whack them when I know they'll die in 1 hit, CM or not, just to save a bit of MP.

QUOTE(darkx @ May 17 2014, 06:15) *
Do you one shot the mobs??

Most of them. I use a script to highlight/color-code the annoying ones so I can cast Imperil without losing too much focus on the show/movie I'm watching.
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post May 17 2014, 00:46
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 16 2014, 19:12) *

(...)
Thus, if both monsters are fighting the same character, their effective level is near the same as the character... but their combat strengths are very different. Even if they're both the same type of monster.

So that's why some monsters are a bit harder to deal with. Thank you for your explanation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 17 2014, 00:48
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 16 2014, 04:23) *

Won the Fresh Meats at PFUDOR difficulty as a wind mage... and boy ain't all these resists a living bitch... I've spent almost all my mana potions casting these depreciating spells like a slut asking for more gang-raping. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
(IMG:https://forums.e-hentai.org/uploads/post-632509-1400206201.png)
iirc higher Wisdom will let you do away with resists... but do I have to keep leveling with these skull-reaping mons till then?
Also, here's my relevant prof:
74.51 Staff
233.94 Cloth armor
193.38 Elemental
225.74 Supportive
Do i have to improve any of them?


Which script are you using to display the summary total exp gain and duration of the run? Als the resistances/weaknesses of the monster? Im using HV STAT (5.6.5.1) and can't find anything in the settings (well yeah I can display some monster stats but it looks different)
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post May 17 2014, 01:21
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QUOTE(mcz @ May 17 2014, 00:48) *

Which script are you using to display the summary total exp gain and duration of the run? Als the resistances/weaknesses of the monster? Im using HV STAT (5.6.5.1) and can't find anything in the settings (well yeah I can display some monster stats but it looks different)

Not him, but it's HV Counter+ 3.2, written by oohmrparis. Also, it was asked/answered on the previous page. Here's page where it's at:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...126&st=1260

The weaknesses script I got no clue what that one is.

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post May 17 2014, 01:35
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QUOTE(IExistHere @ May 17 2014, 01:21) *

Not him, but it's HV Counter+ 3.2, written by oohmrparis. Also, it was asked/answered on the previous page. Here's page where it's at:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...126&st=1260

The weaknesses script I got no clue what that one is.


Thanks, I was looking at the wiki script page and seems it isn't listed there
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post May 17 2014, 01:53
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So I set my humanoid monster's SP attack to be Magical -> Crushing, is the damage increased by INT or is it still DEX?
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