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May 15 2014, 04:59
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Kazetenshi
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QUOTE(darkx @ May 15 2014, 04:54)  low block, 2pab, not warding/protection around 10-30k maybe?
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May 15 2014, 05:23
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darkx
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 14 2014, 22:59)  low block, 2pab, not warding/protection
around 10-30k maybe?
I preface my question by saying I play as a mage. What is a decent block percentage? Is Exquisite max no good?
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May 15 2014, 05:34
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e-Stark
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Playing GF as 1H w/ Demonic Rapier and Fire Spike Shield... what infusion is better to use? Holy or Cold? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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May 15 2014, 05:37
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Colman
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QUOTE(darkx @ May 15 2014, 11:23)  I preface my question by saying I play as a mage. What is a decent block percentage? Is Exquisite max no good?
Exq_max block is 32.8. your is 30.8. 2 PAB + Exq_max -. I normally bazaar it.
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May 15 2014, 05:38
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(darkx @ May 15 2014, 12:23)  What is a decent block percentage? Is Exquisite max no good?
It depends, but I'd say mmax+ block (in other words, at least 10+ times forgeable.)
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May 15 2014, 05:38
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(e-Stark @ May 15 2014, 07:34)  Playing GF as 1H w/ Demonic Rapier and Fire Spike Shield... what infusion is better to use? Holy or Cold? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Your rapier is L10? What strike does it has?
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May 15 2014, 05:38
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Lunarika @ May 15 2014, 03:44)  Is a Hallowed or Ethereal one a better use of my money, and how much does a Leg hallowed/Eth axe of slaughter run for nowadays? I've seen one or two for absolutely absurd prices (20mil around), and I'm wondering if that's the norm or if the person is just highballing.
got this axe in auctions for 250k. still don't hv time to IW it. though, i'd imagine Leg Hallowed Axe will be more expensive (maybe 500k?). Ethereal ones are crazy expensive and even Mag ones goes for 1million+. imo, i like Hallowed ones for the extra healing power & burden isn't a big problem for Heavy. though, for DW, Ethereal ones makes a lot of difference, because Axes are heavy. QUOTE(darkx @ May 15 2014, 05:23)  I preface my question by saying I play as a mage. What is a decent block percentage? Is Exquisite max no good?
a Emax shield + 3PAB is generally preferred. less so with prefix/suffix. so a base block of 32.87. yours got 30.83 which is 0.03 higher than Max range. still an okay shield & might get 10-20k for it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 15 2014, 05:48
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(e-Stark @ May 15 2014, 12:34)  Playing GF as 1H w/ Demonic Rapier and Fire Spike Shield... what infusion is better to use? Holy or Cold? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) No need to use holy infusion on GF. Just use elemental one. Cold is good because you use Fire Spike Shield. (and for Arthropods! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif))
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May 15 2014, 06:28
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zen_zen
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Here is my shield, currently it provides me with 42.2% block chance. How many upgrades would I need to raise the block chance to 50%, and is there a formula to calculate this? Another question: I am trying to figure out how does PA stacking would show up in the HV Stats > Battle Stats, does anyone know where that information could be found in the Battle stats? This post has been edited by zen_zen: May 15 2014, 06:43
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May 15 2014, 07:16
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LostLogia4
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It looks like it gives +36.20 to me... Assuming you have maxed 1H prof and 1H Block ability slotted in, then you've got +8.2% block chance bonus from 1H Block ability alone. Btw, I've calculated your 1H proficiency for the heck of it, is it accurate? (36.20-31.81)/276*328=5.22+31.81=37.03 42.20-37.03=5.17*40 = about 206.8 1H proficiency. While I'm at it, this shield have about 34% block chance pre-forging, Now it gives me 5% after 8 bindings, so how much more do I need to reach +45% (or maybe +50%) block chance? This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 15 2014, 07:25
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May 15 2014, 07:24
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Kazetenshi
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So here's my training levels at the moment: What should I spend credits on next? At the moment I have two options I'm interested when I start saving up credits, either to dump them into LOTD or to buy ponies to get OFC. Would 1.5m~ credits at my level be more useful on getting OFC or getting 3-4(?) levels into LOTD? Also, around what rank of LOTD would exquisites start to drop more frequently? Cause right now at rank 14 I'm getting around a 65/35% ratio on average/superior gear.
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May 15 2014, 07:25
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SPoison
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 14 2014, 22:16)  It looks like it gives +36.20 to me... Assuming you have maxed 1H prof and 1H Block ability slotted in, then you got +8.2% block chance bonus from 1H Block ability alone. While I'm at it, this shield have about 34% block chance pre-forging, Now it gives me 5% after 8 bindings, so how much more do I need to reach +45% (or maybe +50%) block chance? Looking at the base state, it says it's 34.xx block chance. Not sure, but for me it's hard to relate things to your level so it's best to speak in base stats.
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May 15 2014, 07:37
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leeminho
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I'm stuck on the Lord rank. I meet the level requirements. I've cleared the relevant arenas. What else do I need to do friends? Ascended sounds so cool where I'm sitting.
This post has been edited by leeminho: May 15 2014, 07:38
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May 15 2014, 07:43
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 15 2014, 13:24)  So here's my training levels at the moment: What should I spend credits on next? At the moment I have two options I'm interested when I start saving up credits, either to dump them into LOTD or to buy ponies to get OFC. Would 1.5m~ credits at my level be more useful on getting OFC or getting 3-4(?) levels into LOTD? Also, around what rank of LOTD would exquisites start to drop more frequently? Cause right now at rank 14 I'm getting around a 65/35% ratio on average/superior gear. Imo you'd be better off with OFC, especially on PFUDOR SG Arenas. Except that you'll end up spending between 1680-2100 Kilocredits for the figurines... As for LoTD, well it won't help you much unless if you're a good enough a long-arena clearers on BT difficulty or higher.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(leeminho @ May 15 2014, 13:37)  I'm stuck on the Lord rank. I meet the level requirements. I've cleared the relevant arenas. What else do I need to do friends? Ascended sounds so cool where I'm sitting. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/TitlesClear the 2nd page arenas, which'll unlock one after another. Dovahkiin requires clearing DWD on Battletoads difficulty or higher though, but the Godslayer you get from clearing Trio and the Tree should be good enough. After you've cleared them, check the settings menu and select the "display title" you want and click "Apply Changes", cuz the titles after "Lord" has to be to be selected manually... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 15 2014, 08:01
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May 15 2014, 08:02
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 15 2014, 06:28)  Here is my shield, currently it provides me with 42.2% block chance. How many upgrades would I need to raise the block chance to 50%, and is there a formula to calculate this? Another question: I am trying to figure out how does PA stacking would show up in the HV Stats > Battle Stats, does anyone know where that information could be found in the Battle stats? if i understand the wiki correctly & there's no update soon™, it's this formula: For non-ADB/MDB factors: 1 + 0.2 * ln(0.1 * forge_count + 1) if my math is correct (which Most likely it ISN'T correct), you need 20 block upgrades to get to 45% block + 5% (?!) from your 1h proficiency. though, i thought you can't just add those together because of scaling (ie 37% block from shield + 8% from 1H prof = ~42.2% block stat). or 48 block upgrades to get to 50% block from shield alone. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 15 2014, 07:16)  It looks like it gives +36.20 to me... Assuming you have maxed 1H prof and 1H Block ability slotted in, then you've got +8.2% block chance bonus from 1H Block ability alone. Btw, I've calculated your 1H proficiency for the heck of it, is it accurate? (36.20-31.81)/276*328=5.22+31.81=37.03 42.20-37.03=5.17*40 = about 206.8 1H proficiency. While I'm at it, this shield have about 34% block chance pre-forging, Now it gives me 5% after 8 bindings, so how much more do I need to reach +45% (or maybe +50%) block chance? on my end, it's ~40% block from the shield alone. though, i don't know how to figure out the original base block stat+scaling. my bad math say you'll need ~40 block upgrades total to get from 34%block to 45%. ~95 to get to 50%. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 15 2014, 07:24)  So here's my training levels at the moment: What should I spend credits on next? At the moment I have two options I'm interested when I start saving up credits, either to dump them into LOTD or to buy ponies to get OFC. Would 1.5m~ credits at my level be more useful on getting OFC or getting 3-4(?) levels into LOTD? Also, around what rank of LOTD would exquisites start to drop more frequently? Cause right now at rank 14 I'm getting around a 65/35% ratio on average/superior gear. imo, Lotd or equipment upgrade. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) at 15-16, Exquisite will drop more often while playing @PF. at 18, you'll see Mags maybe once or twice a week @PF TT arenas. This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 15 2014, 08:57
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May 15 2014, 08:36
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Colman
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 15 2014, 12:28)  Here is my shield, currently it provides me with 42.2% block chance. How many upgrades would I need to raise the block chance to 50%, and is there a formula to calculate this? Someone have already quota the equation so I am not quota it again. IMO, you should get a better shield before forging. A block % in Mag range is minimum if you cannot afford Mag_max+. It is because you will need 25 forge+ to make it useful. The material can cost you a few millions.
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May 15 2014, 08:36
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 15 2014, 14:02)  if i understand the wiki correctly & there's no update soon™, it's this formula: For non-ADB/MDB factors: 1 + 0.2 * ln(0.1 * forge_count + 1) if my math is correct (which Mostly like it ISN'T correct), you need 20 block upgrades to get to 45% block + 5% (?!) from your 1h proficiency. though, i thought you can't just add those together because of scaling (ie 37% block from shield + 8% from 1H prof = ~42.2% block stat). or 48 block upgrades to get to 50% block from shield alone. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) my bad math say you'll need ~40 block upgrades total to get from 34%block to 45%. ~95 to get to 50%. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Uh, that's the outdated forging formula I think. Also, forge level is limited to 25-50 for non ADB/MDB stats, so this shield will never get the base stats of +50% if the actual formula is anywhere near your calculation. I should've taken note of the progression when I forged it back then... QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 15 2014, 14:02)  on my end, it's ~40% block from the shield alone. though, i don't know how to figure out the original base block stat+scaling. I calculated it as: (39.10-34.36)/276*328=5.22+34.36=+39.99% block chance... is it exactly 40% from your side? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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May 15 2014, 08:38
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 15 2014, 13:28)  Here is my shield, currently it provides me with 42.2% block chance. How many upgrades would I need to raise the block chance to 50%, and is there a formula to calculate this? Base block of the shield = 31.81 Scaled block by the shield at your level (Lv 328) = 37.03 Your block bonus from 1H Block = 0.082 (∵0.4220 = 1 - (1 - 1H Block) * (1 - 0.3703)) Your 1H Proficiency = 328 max (∵328 * 0.025 = 8.2) You need to get 45.53% block chance from your shield to reach 50% at current level. (∵1 - (1 - 0.082) * (1 - 0.4553) = 0.5) 45.53 / 37.03 = 1.2295 And you can get about x1.2268 with 22 times Non-ADB forging. (∵0.195 * ln(0.1 * forging_level + 1)) So you need to upgrade the current shield at least 22~23 times to get 50% block at your level. BTW IMO find better shield which is forgeable (mmax+) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) @LostLogia4 Block chance is also added multiplicatively as other stats like critical chance or specific mitigation. So if you have shield which provides 45% block chance, and get 10% from 1H Block ability, your block chance will be 50.5%, not 55%. 1 - (1 - 0.45) * (1 - 0.1) = 0.505 This post has been edited by Cats Lover: May 15 2014, 08:48
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May 15 2014, 08:38
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Colman
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 15 2014, 14:36)  Uh, that's the outdated forging formula I think. Also, forge level is limited to 25-50 for non ADB/MDB stats, so this shield will never get the base stats of +50% if the actual formula is anywhere near your calculation.
It seems you have never try forging (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 15 2014, 08:55
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malkatmp
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 15 2014, 08:36)  Uh, that's the outdated forging formula I think. Also, forge level is limited to 25-50 for non ADB/MDB stats, so this shield will never get the base stats of +50% if the actual formula is anywhere near your calculation. I should've taken note of the progression when I forged it back then... I calculated it as: (39.10-34.36)/276*328=5.22+34.36=+39.99% block chance... is it exactly 40% from your side? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) exactly 40.00% block chance. nice even number. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)  QUOTE(Colman @ May 15 2014, 08:38)  It seems you have never try forging (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) forging is fucking expensive. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) the early forge is "cheaper" because you can use LG or MG mats, but it adds up pretty fast. for force shield, 1 DMM (25-30k) + B.Barrier (8-10k) + 5 mats (1k-50k) = 1 forge = ~34k-90k/forge. probably, ~35-50k/forge for the first 10 lvls (or 350k-500k for 1st 10lvls). ~50-75k/forge for the next 10 lvl (or another 500-750k for another 10lvls). This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 15 2014, 09:07
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