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You can get this one easily by purchasing an hallowed club (I got one, hahahaha *evil grin*) and put some featherweight on it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The problem with that is a non-ethereal club even feathered adds to much burden for a shade wearer to consider especially if your OH is also non-ethereal.

i did have my eye on one but i can't buy it anymore for obvious reasons.

just curious, how to deal these cases? shouldn't gears owned by these people be re-put around?

Hmm, i sure know what he means, let me paraphrase it a little from a hardcore mmo pve perspective...
Lv 300/310 is when you unlock the last essential challenge / skill depending on how you want to view it. 300 for DwD or 310 for mage Imperil. In an MMO this could probably considered Max-Level. After this point you won't unlock anymore game-relevant skills or challenges.
So after you reach these levels it becomes less important to raise levels, since you only gain some stat points that don't make too much of a difference in themselves. So the main point becomes grinding for money to buy equips or just luck to find the equips yourself.

So essentially you are entering an optimization phase where your new goal is to
a) complete everything at maximum effect/difficulty (read: SG@PF)
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) complete everything as effective as possible (read: better gears, forging, hath perks, OFC, faster playstyles)
c) complete everything for maximum reward (read: max LotD, Quartermaster, Scavenging, Archaeologist, crys perks)
d) gain credits to accomplish a/b/c (read: XFest, IW Service, whatever)

a) and c) can be completed pretty easyly in comparison. You will probably never complete (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) since ... well, fitting Peerless gear with PMAX in every stat is probably another 1 in a million on top of the 1 in a million peerless drop chance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As you can see, this is a whole different game when compared to the level race to 300 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

// edit:
Forgot to mention, that new patches can frak up your progress on any of the new goals (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

What you all were saying are essentially classified as "post-game" stage where you start to unlock high difficulty achievement, hunt down bosses, farm items etc. That doesn't mean, in anyway, the game starts just exactly at Lv. 310. Not everyone is hardcore enough to consider this stage of game as the beginning of it.

Tell me, how many players who can actually reach Lv. 300?+ And when they do reach it, are you going to tell them "you've spent 2 months playing nothing in HV and your game actually starts NOW because looking for better gears is what actually matters in HV, at least to a hardcore player like me cuz I assume you to be one"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Note, there are those who never bother to change their gears cuz they don't even bother about these achievements, they just want to play for fun. And, you hardcore people just rub shits on their face telling them "No, you shouldn't do hell, you should aim for OP gears and do PFUDOR areans etc LIKE ME". There are even some who never bother to grind, just dancing around in the game, i.e. Scremaz. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

A whole new different goal-to-aim doesn't decide which point the game actually starts at. They're all downright achievements which can prove to be interesting to obtain, but definitely not one that marks down the beginning of the game itself in anyway.

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 11 2014, 03:13

What you all were saying are essentially classified as "post-game" stage where you start to unlock high difficulty achievement, hunt down bosses, farm items etc. That doesn't mean, in anyway, the game starts just exactly at Lv. 310. Not everyone is hardcore enough to consider this stage of game as the beginning of it.

Most online games such as Hentaiverse are open-ended, as they only ends either when the players stops playing them or until the game server is terminated. That is why for hardcore gamers, especially the elitist mages from the Mage Association™ would proudly claim that the game starts only once you have reached Level 310.

Tell me, how many players who can actually reach Lv. 300?+ And when they do reach it, are you going to tell them "you've spent 2 months playing nothing in HV and your game actually starts NOW because looking for better gears is what actually matters in HV, at least to a hardcore player like me cuz I assume you to be one"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I cannot... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I have a doujin to scanlate, and I don't get paid a penny, Hath, or credits for it...

Note, there are those who never bother to change their gears cuz they don't even bother about these achievements, they just want to play for fun. And, you hardcore people just rub shits on their face telling them "No, you shouldn't do hell, you should aim for OP gears and do PFUDOR areans etc LIKE ME". They're even some who never bother to grind, just dancing around the game, i.e. Scremaz. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Meh, like all online games, there are bound to be some "stop having fun" elite players around. I'm a fairly hardcore player, except that I mostly play single player games, due to my fairly poor eye-hand coordination and APM I couldn't join in professional online gaming stage like Starcraft, DotA and such. It would be understandable for these kind of games if you're paid with real-life money and currency and make a living form it, but Hentaiverse is nothing of the sort, It's just an allegedly free game for all of us anyways, and I personally don't find the Hentaiverse worth shelling the Camarilla status for really.

A whole new different goal-to-aim doesn't decide which point the game actually starts at. They're all downright achievements which can prove to be interesting to obtain, but definitely not one that marks down the beginning of the game itself in anyway.

Indeed. I've gotten the platinum trophy for quite a lot of PS3 games already, with Star Ocean 4's trophy as the most difficult one to attain imo. I've bragged about it for quite a while after, but all they give did raise an eyebrow for a second and nothing more. That's how insignificant you are to everyone else really, aside from perhaps your family members, but that's the story for another time.

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 11 2014, 03:21

What you all were saying are essentially classified as "post-game" stage where you start to unlock high difficulty achievement, hunt down bosses, farm items etc. That doesn't mean, in anyway, the game starts just exactly at Lv. 310. Not everyone is hardcore enough to consider this stage of game as the beginning of it.

Tell me, how many players who can actually reach Lv. 300?+ And when they do reach it, are you going to tell them "you've spent 2 months playing nothing in HV and your game actually starts NOW because looking for better gears is what actually matters in HV, at least to a hardcore player like me cuz I assume you to be one"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Note, there are those who never bother to change their gears cuz they don't even bother about these achievements, they just want to play for fun. And, you hardcore people just rub shits on their face telling them "No, you shouldn't do hell, you should aim for OP gears and do PFUDOR areans etc LIKE ME". There are even some who never bother to grind, just dancing around in the game, i.e. Scremaz. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

A whole new different goal-to-aim doesn't decide which point the game actually starts at. They're all downright achievements which can prove to be interesting to obtain, but definitely not one that marks down the beginning of the game itself in anyway.

We can safely assume that people posting on this thread are (or want to be) hardcore and want to be successful HV players. Otherwise, they wouldnt have posted here in the first place and contend themselves with playing on normal with equips they bought from the bazzaar.

A quick litmus test: you are hardcore if one of these apply to you:
- you have installed a userscript
- you pay real money
- you know 80% of EHwiki content
- you play this game for at least 4 hours a day

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 11 2014, 03:36

We can safely assume that people posting on this thread are (or want to be) hardcore and want to be successful HV players. Otherwise, they wouldnt have posted here in the first place and contend themselves with playing on normal with equips they bought from the bazzaar.

Successful? Jokes on you, I still die to random encounters.

just curious, how to deal these cases? shouldn't gears owned by these people be re-put around?

i suggested threre be an auction for banned player's stuffs and stocks, but i'm pretty sure Tenboro can't be arsed to do such a thing(although it would delete hundreds of millions of credits from the system, especially if stuff like this is put up for grabs)

<snipped because next piece pretty much sums up everything you said>
A whole new different goal-to-aim doesn't decide which point the game actually starts at. They're all downright achievements which can prove to be interesting to obtain, but definitely not one that marks down the beginning of the game itself in anyway.

well said. although, tbh, i'm not sure how we got from "power armor is more in demand than phase" to "the ideals and theories on when one actually 'begins' playing an RPG in today's society." seriously, i even went back and re-read everything. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

i think it's time to stop before this turns into an argument on whether quantum mechanics can prove that hitler still exists

Successful? Jokes on you, I still die to random encounters.

Me too, but when i forget to cast spark of life

Successful? Jokes on you, I still die to random encounters.

the keyword here is "want to". Not all hardcore players are successful, but all successful players must be hardcore

FYI, I still die from RE at level 350 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 11 2014, 03:50

the keyword here is "want to"

FYI, I still die from RE in level 350 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Me too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , what with being an acolyte and all...
Speaking of which, is the PFUDOR Arenas and IWBTH IW runs gonna be as tough as PFUDOR REs?

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 11 2014, 03:51

Me too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , what with being an acolyte and all...
Speaking of which, is the PFUDOR Arenas and IWBTH IW runs gonna be as tough as PFUDOR REs?

Tougher (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Me too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , what with being an acolyte and all...
Speaking of which, is the PFUDOR Arenas and IWBTH IW runs gonna be as tough as PFUDOR REs?

imo, grindfest>IW>SG>RE(depends on size of mob and who's in it) ~ non-SG

IW>SG

I can do PFUDOR IW on leg long before I was able to do PFUDOR ED (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also PFUDOR T&T or To Kill a God are much harder than PFUDOR RE

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 11 2014, 03:57

I can do PFUDOR IW on leg long before I was able to do PFUDOR ED (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also PFUDOR T&T or To Kill a God are much harder than PFUDOR RE

one of the few positives of going full arcanist. ryouko is the only real threat whenever i play SG; everyone else gets resisted. can barely make it through 80 round IWBTH IW though.

don't know about T&T but you're right about To Kill a God. never understood why that arena was made to be so damn tough.

I've got

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch x1
Dalek Voicebox x2

Any point in opening these?

I've got

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch x1
Dalek Voicebox x2

Any point in opening these?

you won't get much by selling them

may as well open them

Ignoring the fact that it's Superior, what does Mithril mean?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b72fdff00a

If I just come to the forums directly will I stop getting exp?

Cause I'm in no mood to play now and I might reach lvl.301 from daily bonus.

What you all were saying are essentially classified as "post-game" stage where you start to unlock high difficulty achievement, hunt down bosses, farm items etc. That doesn't mean, in anyway, the game starts just exactly at Lv. 310. Not everyone is hardcore enough to consider this stage of game as the beginning of it.

Tell me, how many players who can actually reach Lv. 300?+ And when they do reach it, are you going to tell them "you've spent 2 months playing nothing in HV and your game actually starts NOW because looking for better gears is what actually matters in HV, at least to a hardcore player like me cuz I assume you to be one"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Note, there are those who never bother to change their gears cuz they don't even bother about these achievements, they just want to play for fun. And, you hardcore people just rub shits on their face telling them "No, you shouldn't do hell, you should aim for OP gears and do PFUDOR areans etc LIKE ME". There are even some who never bother to grind, just dancing around in the game, i.e. Scremaz. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

A whole new different goal-to-aim doesn't decide which point the game actually starts at. They're all downright achievements which can prove to be interesting to obtain, but definitely not one that marks down the beginning of the game itself in anyway.

First of all, no offense meant (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I definitely didn't mean, that the game starts post 310, just:
1. In current MMO's the "real game" is considered to start post Max-Level which for me is 300+ in HV, since it's the point where everything is unlocked. This does not imply that i like this state.
2. If you have played FF13, which has a considerable amount of post-game content, the basic game (story part) is finished in somewhere from 40-60 hours, if you want the full clear, you have to invest some 100+ hours more for the little extra on top.

I argued, that HV (imho) has at least two seperapable (does this word exist?) stages:

• The first contains figuring out what you want to play, understanding the game mechanics, gathering decent gears and knowledge and lastly unlocking new challenges. This is the stage i liken to the leveling stage in MMO's.
• The second stage (MMO analogy max-level) consists mainly of getting new gears and optimizing as detailed above.

Tell me, how many players who can actually reach Lv. 300?+ And when they do reach it, are you going to tell them "you've spent 2 months playing nothing in HV and your game actually starts NOW because looking for better gears is what actually matters in HV, at least to a hardcore player like me cuz I assume you to be one"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I think everyone can reach lv300+. I mean, there is nothing in the game that stops you from doing so, if you want to. The timeframe it takes is rather irrelevant ... heck ... it took me some 2 years to get from 1-175 because i just played to get credits for the archiver, followed by 75 levels of stalking this thread and finding out that there is a wiki (>.<).
I'll congratulate everyone that reaches 300 for their persistence and effort (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As noted, the games does definitely not start at 300+, it's just that the carrot and stick approach changes.
For up to lv300 the carrot+stick are unlocks, after 300 there are hardly any more unlocks.
This leads me to another topic altogether, namely the way games tend to reward you. The player, seeks some form of gratification in whatever form it may be. The simplest form is new gears, abilities or whatever. Maybe you, like me, like a challenge or get a better grasp of the mechanics. In the end there are too many forms to list, but everything that results in "fun" can be listed here, because that's (hopefully) the main reason to play a game (any game in fact).

So with the previous sources of gratification (new unlocks) drying up rapidly past 300, i at least, need to look for a new carrot, otherwise i would just play for the sake of playing it.
The most obvious, and widely understandable, new carrot is improvement of the character, so probably keep on leveling. The catch with leveling here is that your enemies scale with your level, so your linear improvement is matched by your enemies linear improvement, so this changes nothing in my gratification situation.
To actually have an improvement, you need to add on top of this, which is by improving gears, perks, strategy, whatever. This is what i put down as "optimization".
The other possible of course is to challenge yourself, which we can do in HV by upping the difficulty, but once you are able to conveniently clear everything @PF this sadly goes away, since it stops with PF. Adding in another difficulty that has no other effect other than making things harder also isn't a good option, since the effort<->reward relationship is worse in comparison.

On the hardcore player part ... while i would generally classify myself as a hardcore player, i wouldn't do this in regards to HV. Also keep in mind, that hardcore is not necessarily an indicator of time spent but more of dedication.

Note, there are those who never bother to change their gears cuz they don't even bother about these achievements, they just want to play for fun. And, you hardcore people just rub shits on their face telling them "No, you shouldn't do hell, you should aim for OP gears and do PFUDOR areans etc LIKE ME". There are even some who never bother to grind, just dancing around in the game, i.e. Scremaz. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Everyone has different playstyles and goals, thus what consitutes fun for them. I just stated what the state is for me.
I can't remember saying "LIKE ME", since i don't overtly care about my ePeen, but not knowing the source of fun for everyone i apply the most common reasoning of my surroundings by default unless otherwise stated. SW4gbXkgZ2FtaW5nIGNhcnJlZXIgc28gZmFyLCB0aGlzIGhhcyB1c3VhbGx5IGJlZW4gaGlnaC1hY2hpZXZlcnMsIHdoaWNoIG1pZ2h0IGhhdmUgcnViYmVkIG9mZiBvbiBtZS4uLg==
Always keep in mind, that games are primarily meant to produce fun for the player, otherwise it would be just work or, even worse, a chore.

Also, do take note, that i usually strategic advice with "here is what works for me", if i am unsure i usually postfix "please correct me if i'm wrong". (forgot once, was pretty embarassing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)).
I also think part of our job in here is to supply information to those that don't post but just read and give an outlook into the future. I wouldn't declare myself an expert, there are too many better than me here, but i think i am able to give a decent insight into the 300+ challenges that await a mid-geared 1H power guy.
You something to look forward to and give you motivation to go on in games, as stated before. For me in vanilla WoW this was guys and gals running around, and frankly showing off, their shiny T0/1/2/3 gear. Over the years this got me into different hardcore situations, not all of which were beneficial i admit, but the experience along the way has been invaluable. The aim to stand at the top got a little too ingrained i think (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif).
So, my next goal is DwD@PF in 66min, just because it's 1min faster than holy_demon *wave* (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, time to wrap up ... Sorry for the wall of text, i hope i didn't rant too much and was able to stay civil enough.

-- sim

PS: if someone plans to quote this, please don't quote the whole post, but pick out the relevant part. Otherwise people might get carpal tunnel syndrome from all the scrolling (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

// edit: fixed some english language murdering

This post has been edited by simrock87: May 11 2014, 04:52

Ignoring the fact that it's Superior, what does Mithril mean?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b72fdff00a

20% less burden. useful on plate, power, and kite shields, but not much on everything else

If I just come to the forums directly will I stop getting exp?

Cause I'm in no mood to play now and I might reach lvl.301 from daily bonus.

yes but you also have to avoid going to any of the galleries the regular way. hope you know how to sadpanda. in case you don't though:

Spoiler text - Highlight to read...

just fucking google it