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post May 10 2014, 18:48
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QUOTE(e-Stark @ May 10 2014, 18:03) *

You teaser! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
So... Is it viable? I read that T3 dark spell is pretty slow that's why I wanted to test some charged Fenrir ^^
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post May 10 2014, 18:49
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 11 2014, 00:39) *

Wait... if 310 is the final boss... doesn't mean that the game, rather than STARTs, ENDS at 310!? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Kay, I can't interpret this, let's just omit this one.

I'd say Low Level is anyone under 200 if not 250, mid level = 250~350 melee/mage folks and high level = hey-maybe-i-shud-start-maging players.

I think high level players should be able to generate some of the gears for their own use. For myself, only 2 of my own drops are worth using. I highly doubt anyone who level below 310 are willing to use their own drops.

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post May 10 2014, 18:57
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 10 2014, 17:49) *

I think high level players should be able to generate some of the gears for their own use. For myself, only 2 of my own drops are worth using. I highly doubt anyone who level below 310 are willing to use their own drops.


Uhhh...


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post May 10 2014, 19:02
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 10 2014, 12:39) *

Wait... if 310 is the final boss... doesn't mean that the game, rather than STARTs, ENDS at 310!? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Kay, I can't interpret this, let's just omit this one.

I'd say Low Level is anyone under 200 if not 250, mid level = 250~350 melee/mage folks and high level = hey-maybe-i-shud-start-maging players.


possible mindfuck incoming: you've more or less beaten the game already. try DwD on normal when you unlock it if you don't believe me. all we're doing now is trying to make the most out of the game by making it way more difficult than it needs to be to get things we want and for bragging rights(eg. the excalibur 2 challenge in FF9). isn't that concept pretty standard in RPGs?

on that note, HV rewards you way more than other games for making the game harder on yourself imo.
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post May 10 2014, 19:05
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selling scrolls in WTS/WTB can be pretty useful.

selling 1000 Scrolls of Protection +1000 Avatar + 1000 Swiftness = ~1mil credits.

1 million is a lot more useful when you can buy stuff/training that significantly boost your game than sitting in your inventory collecting dust.
Uh, oh. Guess I'' cut that by one or two zero then... And I only needs scrolls of life and avatar I think...

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As an experiment on my clearing speed, I dialed down to Normal (for one-shot rounds) and cleared Fresh Meat (the first 1000 credit Arena, 25 rounds). Took me 16 minutes. That's how shitty my connection is when it comes to HV.

Please note, I use this same connection to download anime and live action series at speeds between 100-250 kB/s. And I'm using Verdana as font too (sliced my clear times almost in half)
You know, mine on the other hand had a low bandwidth... I can't even download a movie with my Net connection...
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post May 10 2014, 19:06
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 10 2014, 18:47) *

And I'm using Verdana as font too (sliced my clear times almost in half)


Changing fonts make the game faster?! I never knew this.....

What can I do to make the pages load as fast as possible?
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post May 10 2014, 19:07
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 11 2014, 00:49) *

I think high level players should be able to generate some of the gears for their own use. For myself, only 2 of my own drops are worth using. I highly doubt anyone who level below 310 are willing to use their own drops.


If you're implying that high-levels are superior becuz I bought an axe from you, sure, indeed, low-levels are all suckers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Though, unless you're someone whose name starts with temp and ends with asdf, what's the big deal?

And actually no, I managed to get 2 Mag. drops at Lv.230 with Lv.10 LotD even though they're troll rolls, so I'd believe some LUCKY low-levels actually manage to use their own drops.

QUOTE(something @ May 11 2014, 01:02) *

possible mindfuck incoming: you've more or less beaten the game already. try DwD on normal when you unlock it if you don't believe me. all we're doing now is trying to make the most out of the game by making it way more difficult than it needs to be to get things we want and for bragging rights(eg. the excalibur 2 challenge in FF9). isn't that concept pretty standard in RPGs?

on that note, HV rewards you way more than other games for making the game harder on yourself imo.


Sure, if you'd get so hardcore about it like what Colman said. However, it doesn't mean that the statement "the game starts ONLY at Lv.310" can be applied to non-hardcore players (-there are some people who don't even bother about PFUDOR) here. You're entitled to your own opinion and playstyle.

To me, any game, RPG or not, starts the moment you start playing it all day. Whatever beyond that, rewarding or not, are just pure achievements.

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post May 10 2014, 19:07
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QUOTE(boulay @ May 10 2014, 13:48) *
You teaser! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
So... Is it viable? I read that T3 dark spell is pretty slow that's why I wanted to test some charged Fenrir ^^

hmmm... I dunno... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

but... anyway... Charged Dark < Charged Holy < Charged Elemental... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

and... imo: Charged < Mystic < Frugal <= Radiant... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post May 10 2014, 19:13
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 11 2014, 01:07) *

If you're implying that high-levels are superior becuz I bought an axe from you, sure, indeed, low-levels are all suckers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Though, unless you're someone whose name starts with temp and ends with asdf, what's the big deal?

And actually no, I managed to get 2 Mag. drops at Lv.230 with Lv.10 LotD even though they're troll rolls, so I'd believe some LUCKY low-levels actually manage to use their own drops.

The axe I sold you is from other's auction. People who can generate their own gears play a lot of round per day. And their level reflect how much they play.
Unlike them, most of my exp is from daily login bonus.

It is not that hard to be a high level player. Just most of the players here are not willing to spend so much time for that.
And when your level getting higher, you will know how much different between a player that need to heal or completely do not need to heal.

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post May 10 2014, 19:44
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 10 2014, 18:13) *

The axe I sold you is from other's auction. People who can generate their own gears play a lot of round per day. And their level reflect how much they play.
Unlike them, most of my exp is from daily login bonus.

It is not that hard to be a high level player. Just most of the players here are not willing to spend so much time for that.
And when your level getting higher, you will know how much different between a player that need to heal or completely do not need to heal.

Heh, constant Cure is the reason my Supporting proficiency is almost at level cap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post May 10 2014, 20:11
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@Anyone who has Tokenizer, is it worth unlocking?
Have you seen significant changes in token drop rates after you've got the perk?
Or any notable change in the Blood:Chaos drop ratio?
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post May 10 2014, 20:15
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Ok im think i will be working on derpecating today

Thanks

Wohoo i have Silence right now!

but where should i use it?
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post May 10 2014, 21:08
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QUOTE(e-Stark @ May 10 2014, 19:07) *

hmmm... I dunno... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

but... anyway... Charged Dark < Charged Holy < Charged Elemental... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

and... imo: Charged < Mystic < Frugal <= Radiant... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Yeah, that seems to be the consortium. But maybe.... Maybe a little boost in casting speed could prove useful for slower spells to increase survivability. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(I know that radiant is better from that point of view since you can kill faster with it, but...)
I wanted to try! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 10 2014, 22:27
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 10 2014, 19:07) *

Sure, if you'd get so hardcore about it like what Colman said. However, it doesn't mean that the statement "the game starts ONLY at Lv.310" can be applied to non-hardcore players (-there are some people who don't even bother about PFUDOR) here. You're entitled to your own opinion and playstyle.

To me, any game, RPG or not, starts the moment you start playing it all day. Whatever beyond that, rewarding or not, are just pure achievements.

Hmm, i sure know what he means, let me paraphrase it a little from a hardcore mmo pve perspective...
Lv 300/310 is when you unlock the last essential challenge / skill depending on how you want to view it. 300 for DwD or 310 for mage Imperil. In an MMO this could probably considered Max-Level. After this point you won't unlock anymore game-relevant skills or challenges.
So after you reach these levels it becomes less important to raise levels, since you only gain some stat points that don't make too much of a difference in themselves. So the main point becomes grinding for money to buy equips or just luck to find the equips yourself.

So essentially you are entering an optimization phase where your new goal is to
a) complete everything at maximum effect/difficulty (read: SG@PF)
b) complete everything as effective as possible (read: better gears, forging, hath perks, OFC, faster playstyles)
c) complete everything for maximum reward (read: max LotD, Quartermaster, Scavenging, Archaeologist, crys perks)
d) gain credits to accomplish a/b/c (read: XFest, IW Service, whatever)

a) and c) can be completed pretty easyly in comparison. You will probably never complete b) since ... well, fitting Peerless gear with PMAX in every stat is probably another 1 in a million on top of the 1 in a million peerless drop chance ;)

As you can see, this is a whole different game when compared to the level race to 300 ;)

// edit:
Forgot to mention, that new patches can frak up your progress on any of the new goals ;)

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post May 10 2014, 23:04
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time for another fill in the blank

Q: what i should do to increase the damage output of my DW set is ____

a. save a bunch of money(~5M?) and hope someone will sell me an ethereal club with ~lmax damage
b. start forging my current club considering what a pain in the ass it is to get holy strike + decent potencies
c. start saving for DD, which will take me ~300 days via h@h + cookie. maybe less if i grind alot more.
d. hope that snowflake will bring me a better club through the shrine, drops, or lottery
e. other
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post May 10 2014, 23:35
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QUOTE(something @ May 10 2014, 23:04) *

b. start forging my current club considering what a pain in the ass it is to get holy strike + decent potencies

You can get this one easily by purchasing an hallowed club (I got one, hahahaha *evil grin*) and put some featherweight on it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 10 2014, 23:36
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ May 11 2014, 04:11) *

@Anyone who has Tokenizer, is it worth unlocking?
Have you seen significant changes in token drop rates after you've got the perk?
Or any notable change in the Blood:Chaos drop ratio?

According to Cats Lover, after you have Tokenizer 1, you will never run out of blood token if you run Hellfest 5 times a day
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post May 10 2014, 23:55
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QUOTE(something @ May 10 2014, 14:04) *

time for another fill in the blank

Q: what i should do to increase the damage output of my DW set is ____

a. save a bunch of money(~5M?) and hope someone will sell me an ethereal club with ~lmax damage
b. start forging my current club considering what a pain in the ass it is to get holy strike + decent potencies
c. start saving for DD, which will take me ~300 days via h@h + cookie. maybe less if i grind alot more.
d. hope that snowflake will bring me a better club through the shrine, drops, or lottery
e. other


Having looked at your club, definitely B. How many Bindings of Slaughter do you think you will need to get LMax or PMax Damage, 5 or 10? This is still much cheaper than 5M credits. And if you continue to upgrade the club via the Forge, you may get to the point where you surpass any Legendary or Peerless drops that you may get in the future that you can put them out to be sold in WTS without a second thought.

My Axe that I got from Treesloth's auction, Iw'ed and forged 3x with Binding of Slaughter, now sits at PMax -1.2. One more binding and it will surpass PMax but I am somewhat broke and pondering whether to concentrate solely on 1H Light. Decisions, decisions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 11 2014, 00:03
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post May 11 2014, 00:26
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QUOTE(boulay @ May 10 2014, 17:35) *

You can get this one easily by purchasing an hallowed club (I got one, hahahaha *evil grin*) and put some featherweight on it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


i did have my eye on one but i can't buy it anymore for obvious reasons.

QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 10 2014, 17:55) *

Having looked at your club, definitely B. How many Bindings of Slaughter do you think you will need to get LMax or PMax Damage, 5 or 10? This is still much cheaper than 5M credits. And if you continue to upgrade the club via the Forge, you may get to the point where you surpass any Legendary or Peerless drops that you may get in the future that you can put them out to be sold in WTS without a second thought.

My Axe that I got from Treesloth's auction, Iw'ed and forged 3x with Binding of Slaughter, now sits at PMax -1.2. One more binding and it will surpass PMax but I am somewhat broke and pondering whether to concentrate solely on 1H Light. Decisions, decisions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


actually, after doing the math, 5 slaughters would put me at just above peerless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) suddenly forging doesn't sound like a bad idea

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