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post May 6 2014, 08:49
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 6 2014, 08:39) *

You don't really have a choice because they regenerate MP and SP too quickly. You need to Silence them regardless of what you're doing. I mean, Konata takes me around 10 turns to kill, and usually that's more than enough time for her to completely fill her MP and SP bars.

Doesn't Spirit Shield (cap to 20% maxHP) + Regen take care of that?
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post May 6 2014, 08:50
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 6 2014, 08:45) *

Wearing full set of Power slaughter have lower survivability than full phase IMO. So a shield is a must in the current version of HV.


is it due to Power Slaughter (or heavy in general) has a very very low resist & close to non-existing evade? or there's something that makes full phase very survivable?
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post May 6 2014, 08:51
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 6 2014, 14:37) *
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e8cdfcf8c5

42.6 Block, and I have 308 skill.

I think Stoney has a Peerless everything.
Check my shop... I've got some inexpensive power armor there.

It looks like 37.19 to me, 42.60-37.19=5.41/(309-268=41)=0.132 per level... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
You'll get about 7.7 extra block chance with 308 1H prof, calculates separately from the equip itself.

QUOTE(simrock87 @ May 6 2014, 14:49) *
Doesn't Spirit Shield (cap to 20% maxHP) + Regen take care of that?
Silence is too expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
No can do. They takes off shitloads of SP in a battle of attrition. Better to lose a few MP rather than loosing many SP.

QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 14:50) *
is it due to Power Slaughter (or heavy in general) has a very very low resist & close to non-existing evade? or there's something that makes full phase very survivable?
Phase armors have zero interference and burdens while increasing EDB and evade, so on phase equip given enough forge + Shadow Veil you can ninja through half of your enemy attacks... like totally nin-nin.
As for power armor, why would you think that a heavy armor give you evade chance anyway? Heavy armors do their defense with damage mitigations... except that power armor have lower mitigation than plate armors in favor for overwhelming attack power.

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post May 6 2014, 09:05
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 16:19) *

Wat? Power Armors are "magikarp powers" as well?

its only power slaughter, power of protection and power of warding can still work at lower levels.

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post May 6 2014, 09:12
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 10:50) *

Can anyone with level 300+ show give a screenshot for their shields? Either that, or how much forging does it takes for it to get to 50% block chance on a force shield? iirc 1H block ability only gives 2.5% block chance per 100 1H prof...

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Lmax block force shield + 38x forged at my current level. 62.7% block with that.
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post May 6 2014, 09:19
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 12:38) *

At high difficulty this'll be a normal occurance. I would suggesting you to wield a mace instead for safety. That's how melee fanatic kos9494 do it.
As for you mitigation, no two thing you could do about it. Either get shade or power armor if you wanna stay melee, oh, and up your evade/block/parry chance while you're at it, cuz yours looked damned pitiful if you ask me.


Rather than just melee, I'm more into LIGHT melee so... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Mace + Power is very good at Battletoad RE at <Lv.100 and it's still good if you switch to Shade after Lv. 100 or so. But shits will eventually happen. Mace starts getting bad for BT++ as your level approaches 200 (about time when gc's mobs start spawning and give you some surprise butt sex) and you're forced to re-roll to 1H or DW for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I chose DW cuz it's more awesome (-more like because I was planning to Niten after Lv. 300 or so). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(slimyD @ May 6 2014, 14:22) *

As a DW + heavy armor user, I find agility incredibly lackluster.

What agility does:
- 1 point in Endurance gives more Physical Mitigation, and bonus health to boot.
- Every 25 point raise evade by 1%, but every point of burden reduces evade by 4/3%. Heavy armor, yay!
- Unless you're getting maybe hundreds or thousands of points in agility above your level, the increase in attack speed is so negligible. Also hindered by burden, so whoop dee doo.
- 100 whooping points, for 1%. Hah. Proficiencies and weapon accuracies contribute more to that than agility does.

So question is, is there any point in heavily investing points in agility?


When I was a 2H Heavy at my <Lv. 100, I kept my AGI below 50 and focused on STR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Well, pass Lv. 200, you'll start thinking to switch into Shade because-

QUOTE(something @ Mar 29 2014, 06:58) *

DW heavy is suicide.


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post May 6 2014, 09:26
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 6 2014, 09:12) *

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Lmax block force shield + 38x forged at my current level. 62.7% block with that.
(I want to forge it further, but increasing forge level is too hard... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif))


(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

so what'll be the block chance when it's Maxed forged?


also, here's my crappy shield+stats. i got 8.1% block from 1h block prof. 32.85 base (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post May 6 2014, 09:30
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 5 2014, 18:50) *

Can anyone with level 300+ show give a screenshot for their shields? Either that, or how much forging does it takes for it to get to 50% block chance on a force shield? iirc 1H block ability only gives 2.5% block chance per 100 1H prof...

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52.8 block total. This is slightly below MMax (33.9) base block. +18 block upgrades isn't too expensive to salvage; I lose 3-4 DMMs, and get most of my materials myself from gifts or salvaging. Wish HG woods were cheaper of course. I also Item botted when i noticed bot prices were lower than WTB/WTS prices and picked up a good chunk of random bindings / mats.

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post May 6 2014, 09:48
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All the shields talk and seeing only Sir something and I are still DW-ing make me wonder if DW and 2H suck dick when compared to 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post May 6 2014, 09:59
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 16:26) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

so what'll be the block chance when it's Maxed forged?

Non-ADB/MDB stat increased about x1.35 at max forged.
So it will have base block 49.95 ~ 50.0% and it means about 60.44% at my level with level scaling.

1H Block provides 0.025 * 421 = 10.525% so the final total block will be
1 - (1 - 0.6044) * (1 - 0.10525) = 0.6460369 = 64.60%.

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post May 6 2014, 10:04
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 16:48) *

All the shields talk and seeing only Sir something and I are still DW-ing make me wonder if DW and 2H suck dick when compared to 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


DW, 2H sucks a fat, hairy, stinky, syphilitic, AIDs infested dick, compared to 1H.
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post May 6 2014, 10:16
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 6 2014, 10:04) *

DW, 2H sucks a fat, hairy, stinky, syphilitic, AIDs infested dick, compared to 1H.


but soon™, i'd imagine it might over-correct & 1H will suck more. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

hopefully, there'll be a buff for bleeding or niten soon™.
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post May 6 2014, 10:38
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All these shield talks sure makes for a handful of reference...

Here's my force shield... which I forged twice back when I still have credits to spend (and knows nothing about ExMAX/MMAX thingies back then). It gives me +38.52% block chance to me, but care to tell how did it look to ya guys?

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post May 6 2014, 10:51
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 10:38) *

All these shield talks sure makes for a handful of reference...

Here's my force shield... which I forged twice back when I still have credits to spend (and knows nothing about ExMAX/MMAX thingies back then). It gives me +38.52% block chance to me, but care to tell how did it look to ya guys?


interesting.

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post May 6 2014, 10:54
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 18:16) *

but soon™, i'd imagine it might over-correct & 1H will suck more. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

hopefully, there'll be a buff for bleeding or niten soon™.


Id prefer DW and 2H to suck less and mage to suck more. Keep 1H as it is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post May 6 2014, 11:02
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 15:48) *

All the shields talk and seeing only Sir something and I are still DW-ing make me wonder if DW and 2H suck dick when compared to 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Well, there's me too. And don't listen to treesloth.

Let's just assume that people have invested too much in 1H to not talk about it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 6 2014, 11:07
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 16:51) *
interesting.

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39.49-38.52=0.97/(325-268=57)=0.017 per level for mine...
38.18-37.25=0.93/(325-268=57)=0.0163 per level for malkatmp's force shield... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
So levels matters very little when it comes to shield...

On the other hand, PABs increases quite significantly, Case in point.
Scaled to LostLogia4 (wait! that's me...):
LostLogia4's shield Strength +32.83, Dexterity +27.72, Endurance +25.17
malkatmp's shield Strength +32.94, Dexterity +40.60, Endurance +25.29
Scaled to malkatmp:
LostLogia4's shield Strength +38.99, Dexterity +32.93, Endurance +29.90
malkatmp's shield Strength +39.13, Dexterity +48.22, Endurance +30.04


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post May 6 2014, 11:14
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I was pissed that I did all the arenas and got 0 artifacts so I figured that I might check the item drops, seems this dropped. Is this thing worth anything or is it a troll drop? Its ranges don't seem that impressive.

Legendary Ethereal Axe of Slaughter

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post May 6 2014, 11:18
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 17:38) *

All these shield talks sure makes for a handful of reference...

Here's my force shield... which I forged twice back when I still have credits to spend (and knows nothing about ExMAX/MMAX thingies back then). It gives me +38.52% block chance to me, but care to tell how did it look to ya guys?

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looks great. tempting me to forge mine. too bad i'm low on credits
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post May 6 2014, 11:19
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 6 2014, 17:54) *

Id prefer DW and 2H to suck less and mage to suck more. Keep 1H as it is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Nah, we've been nerfed several times in succession. Now it's your turn! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 6 2014, 18:14) *

I was pissed that I did all the arenas and got 0 artifacts so I figured that I might check the item drops, seems this dropped. Is this thing worth anything or is it a troll drop? Its ranges don't seem that impressive.

Legendary Ethereal Axe of Slaughter


yeah, thats trolly for Leg, but still worth >2m.
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