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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You don't even have access to DwD yet.

Yeah, but I did have access to Netcafe. And having to stay at the Netcafe for hours just to clear a few arenas is certainly a killjoy.

Speaking of which... I managed to get something like "Stop beating the dead horse" in the battle log... what does that mean?

This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 5 2014, 04:30

-2H or 1H Rapier, and why is better?
Thanks guys, but i think im pretty slow, and i think i need to change my Fighting style after watching this video:

Video

That guy surely does it fast with that lot of damage

Its nightmare difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Everything kills fast on nightmare

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 5 2014, 03:41

Speaking of which... I managed to get something like "Stop beating dead horse" in the battle log... what does that mean?

When you try to attack a dead monster

How to reproduce:
1. kill a monster
2. go back to the page where the monster is still alive
3. click on the monster
4. PROFIT!?!

Its nightmare difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Everything kills fast on nightmare

i say it because im not that fast on nightmare

PFUDOR ... why?
I still think it's rather slow ;(

You must have some truly awesome set of gear to do the last 3 rounds of the Arena at PFUDOR, would you mind posting a screen cap of your stats and the equipment links?

Speaking of which... I managed to get something like "Stop beating dead horse" in the battle log... what does that mean?

generally caused by your spike shield trying to damage an already dead mob.

PFUDOR ... why?
I still think it's rather slow ;(

3h with 500ms ping is fast
3h wth 50ms ping is slow

Whats your ping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

generally caused by your spike shield trying to damage an already dead mob.

Nah that one gives "Stop kicking the dead horse".

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 5 2014, 04:25

^was not aware they gave different messages (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

You must have some truly awesome set of gear to do the last 3 rounds of the Arena at PFUDOR, would you mind posting a screen cap of your stats and the equipment links?

Knock yourself out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
Magnificent Ruby Force Shield of Deflection
Exquisite Ruby Power Helmet of Slaughter
Legendary Jade Power Armor of Warding
Exquisite Jade Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Magnificent Cobalt Power Leggings of Warding
Legendary Cobalt Power Boots of Warding

3h with 500ms ping is fast
3h wth 50ms ping is slow

Whats your ping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

What's 3h? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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3 hours ... not 3 hand >.<
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Don't know about ping but first byte is 50-100ms
One of the little advantages of living in europe i guess (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Also i think i chose the wrong expression, i meant it feels slow when compared to the other arenas. Especially being stuck for 90+min in DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by simrock87: May 5 2014, 04:39

Don't know about ping but first byte is 50-100ms
One of the little advantages of living in europe i guess (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Also i think i chose the wrong expression, i meant it feels slow when compared to the other arenas. Especially being stuck for 90+min in DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Well its slow then. I cleared my first PFUDOR DwD in 90 min as well, but my ping was 400ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How fast do you clear T&T then? It should be about 1/3rd of your DwD clear time. If it's faster than that, then you're probably using focus/drain in DwD. My only advice is to forge your weapon and shield harder (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, use merciful blow if you havent used it already. It could shave your time off by 10-15%

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 5 2014, 05:00

Well its slow then. I cleared my first PFUDOR DwD in 90 min as well, but my ping was 400ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How fast do you clear T&T then? It should be about 1/3rd of your DwD clear time. If it's faster than that, then you're probably using focus/drain in DwD. My only advice is to forge your weapon and shield harder (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, use merciful blow if you havent used it already. It could shave your time off by 10-15%

Yeah... T&T is ~18min
Still pretty heavily reliant on focus/drain right now, otherwise i just run out of potions before it gets interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I wanted to postpone forging until i got something better for these 2 slots, the shield just got some stuff i had lying around, but 2PAB with EMax block is imho soso for long-term investment, as well as the 2PAB rapier ;(

In case someone's bored: T&T video
Need to experiment with video encodings for a project (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by simrock87: May 5 2014, 05:13

3h with 500ms ping is fast is slow
3h wth 50ms ping is slow

Whats your ping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

3 hours for an arena is slow no matter the situation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

-2H or 1H Rapier, and why is better?
Thanks guys, but i think im pretty slow, and i think i need to change my Fighting style after watching this video:

Video

That guy surely does it fast with that lot of damage

At your level, if you want to do the AoE thing like that guy in the video, yes sure you can do it easily using 2H/Mage at low difficulty but at high difficulty you'll be too busy to heal yourself, let alone killing them at the same time.

If you're playing at low difficulty, say, Hell or below you'll find how squishy mobs are. You can just kill them within 4 turns or so without having to Cure and such. In that case, 2H and Mage may be faster cuz they hit multiple enemies at the same time and are the most squishy styles.

But when you're playing at high difficulty, say, Battletoad or above, not only mobs become multiple times harder to kill, they deal very high damage that you can easily die when 3 or 4 mobs spell-rape you at the same time. At this point you'll either have to kill them very fast or have enough block/evade to avoid taking hits from mobs.

DW + Shade (Evade + Parry whore & Single-target killing machine) and 1H players (Block + Parry whore & Counter-attack maniac) are specialized in these which is why most people would go for these two fighting styles somewhere around 200~300 levels.

Mage is great but without Maxed Imperil and enough equipment scale which are gained through levels you just can't kill mobs fast enough to survive.

As for 2H, any weapon with Bleeding Wound proc. become much less efficient because Bleeding Wound isn't as useful as Stun and PA which leads to only two choices, Mace and Estoc. Mace can mass-stun multiple monsters at the same time, but due to mobs having high mitigation you need debuffs to enhance your damage or you'll take forever to clear anything. Estoc is good, it can proc. Penetrated Armor on multiple mobs and killing them all at the same time. But the problem is, are you tank enough to do that? Even by equipping Shade/Leather you get some Evade chance, you won't have enough parry to avoid taking pokes from mobs as much as possible.

Compared to 2H, 1H and DW is better at high difficulty since:

1H can do up to 3 counter-attack upon Block/Parry and each counter-attack adds overcharge to a certain limit which allows them to do even higher damage. They can focus-kill a dangerous target easily too. You don't have to worry about your attack power if you equip Power armors rather than Plate.

DW can kill a target in just few hits on high difficulty, pretty much the same damage as 2H does in Hell difficulty on a single mob. By equipping a Rapier on offhand, you can prof. penetrated armor on any target, killing them very very quickly. When in overcharge, your attack becomes even higher, so high that you can 5-hit-kill the toughest monsters in the game that you might need 30 hits to do so using Estoc.

Trust me, once you reach Lv. 225 and unlock the first Schoolgirls spawning Arena, if you're still using non-PA weapon, you'll cry hard becuz Schoolgirl bosses have insane amount of HP pool. I didn't realize this so I ran the Arena using Mace, and then even at Hell difficulty, it took me 2 hours to clear the entire arena.

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 5 2014, 05:30

3 hours for an arena is slow no matter the situation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

On 90 rounds i don't spend an hour, so yeah is pretty slow.

At your level, if you want to do the AoE thing like that guy in the video, yes sure you can do it easily using 2H/Mage at low difficulty but at high difficulty you'll be too busy to heal yourself, let alone killing them at the same time.

If you're playing at low difficulty, say, Hell or below you'll find how squishy mobs are. You can just kill them within 4 turns or so without having to Cure and such. In that case, 2H and Mage may be faster cuz they hit multiple enemies at the same time and are the most squishy styles.

But when you're playing at high difficulty, say, Battletoad or above, not only mobs become multiple times harder to kill, they deal very high damage that you can easily die when 3 or 4 mobs spell-rape you at the same time. At this point you'll either have to kill them very fast or have enough block/evade to avoid taking hits from mobs.

DW + Shade (Evade + Parry whore & Single-target killing machine) and 1H players (Block + Parry whore & Counter-attack maniac) are specialized in these which is why most people would go for these two fighting styles somewhere around 200~300 levels.

Mage is great but without Maxed Imperil and enough equipment scale which are gained through levels you just can't kill mobs fast enough to survive.

As for 2H, any weapon with Bleeding Wound proc. become much less efficient because Bleeding Wound isn't as useful as Stun and PA which leads to only two choices, Mace and Estoc. Mace can mass-stun multiple monsters at the same time, but due to mobs having high mitigation you need debuffs to enhance your damage or you'll take forever to clear anything. Estoc is good, it can proc. Penetrated Armor on multiple mobs and killing them all at the same time. But the problem is, are you tank enough to do that? Even by equipping Shade/Leather you get some Evade chance, you won't have enough parry to avoid taking pokes from mobs as much as possible.

Compared to 2H, 1H and DW is better at high difficulty since:

1H can do up to 3 counter-attack upon Block/Parry and each counter-attack adds overcharge to a certain limit which allows them to do even higher damage. They can focus-kill a dangerous target easily too. You don't have to worry about your attack power if you equip Power armors rather than Plate.

DW can kill a target in just few hits on high difficulty, pretty much the same damage as 2H does in Hell difficulty on a single mob. By equipping a Rapier on offhand, you can prof. penetrated armor on any target, killing them very very quickly. When in overcharge, your attack becomes even higher, so high that you can 5-hit the toughest monsters in the game that you might need 30 hits to do so using Estoc.

So, being 1H as i am right now i have advantage in high difficulty matches, but with the drawback of not being faster as a mage even when playing in a low difficulty , and then getting power armor is my best choice, because i can't clear more than 30 (maybe 35) rounds at nintendo difficulty with my current 1H build, and using a rapier is a good option since i can get kills on mobs with high defenses...

Is that all of i did miss anything?

Thanks for your help

This post has been edited by kawaiikun: May 5 2014, 05:32

PFUDOR ... why?
I still think it's rather slow ;(

3hrs SG marathon@PF. i guess i'm just really bad at the game. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

3hrs SG marathon@PF. i guess i'm just really bad at the game. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Is this with or without OFC?

Is this with or without OFC?

just for clarification, simrock87 did all 3SG arenas in 3hrs with OFC with 1H+power. Emax shield too.

i still can't do DwD@BT.

3 hours for an arena is slow no matter the situation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

for 3 SG arena (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yeah... T&T is ~18min
Still pretty heavily reliant on focus/drain right now, otherwise i just run out of potions before it gets interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I wanted to postpone forging until i got something better for these 2 slots, the shield just got some stuff i had lying around, but 2PAB with EMax block is imho soso for long-term investment, as well as the 2PAB rapier ;(

In case someone's bored: T&T video
Need to experiment with video encodings for a project (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

faster than me, and I have better forged gear + DD... Fuck my ping (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 5 2014, 05:49