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post Apr 29 2014, 18:30
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 29 2014, 21:40) *

And all the others only 4?
It depends on what you want.

Currently I don't have any particular goal.. Recommend me something in general.

QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 29 2014, 21:45) *

Train Scavenger to at least lvl25.

If I recall correctly, Maxed out Scavenger have 12.5% roll chance compared to the default 10%.
I don't find it reasonable train.
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post Apr 29 2014, 18:33
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 29 2014, 18:20) *

Gah, looks like I won't be switching from my kevlar set to something else: all parts of it has at least 5 PABs, and the helmet is even better. And I have the second one as a backup.

as already mentioned you may want to try shade of arcanist, so far they are the only type of armor which can give more than 4PABs, but as all shade they haven't piercing mitigation at all.
leather is common with 4PAB, and relatively easy is to find shade with 4 or at least 3.
plate/power usually has 3, rarely 4 and cloth/phase go for 2, rarely 3.
the piece that Logia posted is really outstanding from this point of view, i'd say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Apr 29 2014, 18:34
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 30 2014, 00:20) *
Old Battlecaster weapons have had pure Magical Damage bonus, and it was okay, I guess.
The Battlecaster Armaments have MDB back then? That would explain the nostalgia. I'll stay with Phase Armaments for armors, but now I can't resist my urge to get a good battlecaster rapier. New one is fine by me, but shit (<15) EDB is unacceptable.

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post Apr 29 2014, 18:36
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 30 2014, 00:20) *

Gah, looks like I won't be switching from my kevlar set to something else: all parts of it has at least 5 PABs, and the helmet is even better. And I have the second one as a backup.
Old Battlecaster weapons have had pure Magical Damage bonus, and it was okay, I guess.


Sometimes I can't tell if new items are actually better seeing how high THAT PMI is... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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post Apr 29 2014, 18:53
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 29 2014, 18:06) *

This is my current Training status:

So which thing should I Train/Max next?


max Lotd, then quartermaster then Scavenging.
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post Apr 29 2014, 18:54
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 29 2014, 20:33) *
cloth/phase go for 2, rarely 3. the piece that Logia posted is really outstanding from this point of view, i'd say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Oh, really? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Superior Phase Cap of Mjolnir
Superior Phase Robe of Mjolnir
Magnificent Gossamer Gloves of the Curse-weaver
Exquisite Phase Pants of Freyr
Exquisite Phase Shoes of Niflheim

Also these ones:
Average Phase Shoes of the Earth-walker
Fair Phase Gloves of the Curse-weaver
Fair Phase Gloves of the Raccoon
Fair Phase Pants of the Elementalist

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 29 2014, 20:34) *

The Battlecaster Armaments have MDB back then? That would explain the nostalgia. I'll stay with Phase Armaments for armors, but now I can't resist my urge to get a good battlecaster rapier. New one is fine by me, but shit (<15) EDB is unacceptable.

Just get one and try, it's always better to have one than not to have. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 29 2014, 20:36) *
Sometimes I can't tell if new items are actually better seeing how high THAT PMI is... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Well, I have the best kevlar set in HV. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 29 2014, 19:06
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 30 2014, 00:54) *
I've noticed something... none of them have resist. Prett much any phase equips with 4 PABs lacks resists and attack accuracy really...

QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 30 2014, 00:54) *
Well, I have the best kevlar set in HV. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
They make the plate armors look like giant lumps of spare irons in comparison.


QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 30 2014, 00:54) *
Just get one and try, it's always better to have one than not to have. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I will... oh but does elemental weapons exist way back then (not that it matters since old players will hoard them anyways...)?
Not to mention, where can I get these precursor-grade equips...?
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post Apr 29 2014, 19:11
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 30 2014, 01:06) *

I've noticed something... none of them have resist. Prett much any phase equips with 4 PABs lacks resists and attack accuracy really...

That's because they're all old Phase (pre-patch 0.77)

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post Apr 29 2014, 19:17
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 29 2014, 18:54) *

i'm talking about newly generated items, sir, look at your EIDs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 29 2014, 19:11) *

That's because they're all old Phase (pre-patch 0.77)

exactly.

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post Apr 29 2014, 19:17
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 29 2014, 22:23) *

max Lotd, then quartermaster then Scavenging.

Weren't you people talking about Max LOTD being useless the previous day in this very thread? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Quartermaster? Hmm. Seems good. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I don't really feel spending credits on Scavenger. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Apr 29 2014, 19:21
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 30 2014, 01:17) *

Weren't you people talking about Max LOTD being useless the previous day in this very thread? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

You don't need max it unless you got a Gold star. I get regular Exq. drops at lvl18, while it is still possible to get Legendary drops at lvl15.

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post Apr 29 2014, 19:22
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 29 2014, 21:06) *
I will... oh but does elemental weapons exist way back then (not that it matters since old players will hoard them anyways...)?
Not to mention, where can I get these precursor-grade equips...?

Just make a WTB thread and put a link with description in your sig.
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post Apr 29 2014, 19:37
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 29 2014, 19:17) *

Weren't you people talking about Max LOTD being useless the previous day in this very thread? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Quartermaster? Hmm. Seems good. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I don't really feel spending credits on Scavenger. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


probably... ...but each Lotd just improves your drops Slightly. it won't make it so you get 100% Mags+ from arena clear bonus. you get more Mags/Exquisites. though, you might get a lot of 330+pxp Cotton, Leather, Plate, etc, but those are a good source of"potential" income. ie salvage & sell the "potential" HG mats. also, more superior "rare" stuff that i can sell @ bazaar for a few k.

Quartermaster, more equip is good.

imo, i don't really understand why so many people are shitting on Scavenger. it's a cheap training that improves drop rate by a bit. iirc, the cost 5lvs of Scavenger = 2lvs of Quartermaster. also, it might help to think like this:

ie
1000 monsters @ 10.0% drop = 100 drops
1000 monsters @ 12.5% drop = 125 drops (ie 25% increase).


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post Apr 29 2014, 19:37
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QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 29 2014, 22:51) *

You don't need max it unless you got a Gold star. I get regular Exq. drops at lvl18, while it is still possible to get Legendary drops at lvl15.

Which reminds me that I got my 1st Legendary drop a few days ago and it was a goddamn Leather of Stoneskin! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
very well, I'll train it to LV20 and see what happens.
Btw, can anyone calculate how much credit shall I need to do that? As you can see, my current LV is 10 (Me too lazy to do the calculation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ).

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 29 2014, 23:07) *

probably... ...but each Lotd just improves your drops Slightly. it won't make it so you get 100% Mags+ from arena clear bonus. you get more Mags/Exquisites. though, you might get a lot of 330+pxp Cotton, Leather, Plate, etc, but those are a good source of"potential" income. ie salvage & sell the "potential" HG mats. also, more superior "rare" stuff that i can sell @ bazaar for a few k.

Quartermaster, more equip is good.

imo, i don't really understand why so many people are shitting on Scavenger. it's a cheap training that improves drop rate by a bit. iirc, the cost 5lvs of Scavenger = 2lvs of Quartermaster. also, it might help to think in reverse.

ie
1000 monsters @ 10.0% drop = 100 drops
1000 monsters @ 12.5% drop = 125 drops (ie 25% increase).

it's the same reason why People should be thinking in Gallons Per Mile (GPM) instead of Mile Per Gallons(MPG).

Okay, I admit your logic for LoTD is appealing. I'll give some more levels a try. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
About Quartermaster, agreed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Sorry, but 12.5% drop chance ≠ 12.5% drop.

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post Apr 29 2014, 20:03
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 30 2014, 01:37) *

probably... ...but each Lotd just improves your drops Slightly. it won't make it so you get 100% Mags+ from arena clear bonus. you get more Mags/Exquisites. though, you might get a lot of 330+pxp Cotton, Leather, Plate, etc, but those are a good source of"potential" income. ie salvage & sell the "potential" HG mats. also, more superior "rare" stuff that i can sell @ bazaar for a few k.

Quartermaster, more equip is good.

imo, i don't really understand why so many people are shitting on Scavenger. it's a cheap training that improves drop rate by a bit. iirc, the cost 5lvs of Scavenger = 2lvs of Quartermaster. also, it might help to think like this:

ie
1000 monsters @ 10.0% drop = 100 drops
1000 monsters @ 12.5% drop = 125 drops (ie 25% increase).

At maxed PL bonus, which is very likely at our level
1000 monsters @ 25.0% drop = 250 drops
1000 monsters @ 27.5% drop = 275 drops (ie 10% increase). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I think around 40 Scavenger is alright. No reason to max it.
On the other hand, LotD should be maxed because it really increase the chance of getting good drop if you play on the toughest game.

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post Apr 29 2014, 20:33
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 29 2014, 23:33) *

At maxed PL bonus, which is very likely at our level
1000 monsters @ 25.0% drop = 250 drops
1000 monsters @ 27.5% drop = 275 drops (ie 10% increase). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I think around 40 Scavenger is alright. No reason to max it.
On the other hand, LotD should be maxed because it really increase the chance of getting good drop if you play on the toughest game.

Umm...I don't play much in PF. Does it make any significant difference in the loot drop/quality than IWBTH (Other than the crystal x3 Multiplier)? Have you felt any notable difference?
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post Apr 29 2014, 20:49
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 30 2014, 02:33) *

Umm...I don't play much in PF. Does it make any significant difference in the loot drop/quality than IWBTH (Other than the crystal x3 Multiplier)? Have you felt any notable difference?

It increases the average quality by alot (I mean the training ). And it slightly help with the recycle value .
Different between PF and IWBTH is not much ,for bazaar value . For top gear ,just go for PF . The time on both are almost the same anyway . You only need better defense .

Well 20m +,
You better use it on upgrading your gears if you are not playing on PF

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post Apr 29 2014, 21:10
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 30 2014, 00:19) *

It increases the average quality by alot (I mean the training ). And it slightly help with the recycle value .
Different between PF and IWBTH is not much ,for bazaar value . For top gear ,just go for PF . The time on both are almost the same anyway . You only need better defense .

Is that so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Okay, I'll try PF from now on. Let's hope I get something good after clearing 3-4k mobs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Well 20m +,
You better use it on upgrading your gears if you are not playing on PF

20m+, eh? Hmm. I can manage that much. No problemmo. But which side should I be forging (assume I forge everything from LV.0)? Offensive or Defensive? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 29 2014, 15:10) *

20m+, eh? Hmm. I can manage that much. No problemmo. But which side should I be forging (assume I forge everything from LV.0)? Offensive or Defensive? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


How can you amass such an amount of credits?
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post Apr 29 2014, 21:28
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Apr 29 2014, 21:10) *

20m+, eh? Hmm. I can manage that much. No problemmo.

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i did well to stop at 800k the other day then...
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