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post Apr 28 2014, 07:16
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:10) *
Since when I've said Slaughter = right-and-you-must-follow, non-Slaughter = wrong-and-you-must-not-use stuffs?

Memory loss? I'll help you.
QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 07:30) *
Any suffix other than Slaughter for mainhand is useless cuz mainhand is about ADB and PABs (STR and DEX) so your Mace won't sell for too much. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

That's exactly what you've said.

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:10) *
I might not be as experienced as you but I won't be silly enough to ignore the very fact that

Slaughter < non-Slaughter mainhand/two-handed in terms of price

Feel free to make a shop full of mainhand two-handed weapons with non-Slaughter suffix tagged at the price similar to that of Slaughter suffixed two-handed weapons and expect some customers will ya? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

"Price" won't help yhou in the battle. "Price" won't protect you from attacks. "Price" won't give you advantage. So your "price" is worthless.
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:18
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ Apr 28 2014, 06:55) *

Makes sense, I kinda expected that. I guess I'll let it collect dust in my inventory for eternity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Another question, this is the weapon I'm currently using for 1H http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a18926c9f0 , say I wanted to use a rapier with similar weapon damage as http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=76ec744df4 (let's assume the new rapier is also IW10) would the rapier's PA at 3 stacks make it deal more damage than the axe or is the axe gonna deal more damage just because it has way more base damage?


imo, Axe can be as good as a rapier (or arguably better), as long as you've a good enough shield (MMax or EMax if you play <IWTBH) & play non-SG arenas. also, nowadays, you can get a Legendary Axe of Slaughter (non-ethereal) for the price of Exq Rapier Slaughter.

on my end, the Axe does ~500 more damage with ~15% less parries. though, if i've the time/credits to lvl10 out of my Leg Axe, it'll do ~700 more damage with lv5 butcher. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

ps. just got this Mag Oak Staff of Focus drop, is it any good? or savage potential 20k material?

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post Apr 28 2014, 07:20
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QUOTE(IExistHere @ Apr 28 2014, 07:11) *

The people here are friendly as far as I'm aware. I tend to just lurk here most of the time so I can learn something new that another user may ask. Also you're playing the same way as me when I started so I'll have to tell that leveling up some wisdom so you can actually cast some spells is useful, but do whatever you feel is best for yourself and be sure to check the wiki on the general advice. If you still have some questions feel free to come back. Also, sending some potions so check your mooglemail.


Thanks again.
I checked the settings and was surprised that even though i didn't have a staff or something equipped, I could still cast a Cure spell. This sure is handy, I finally have a way to take use of my mana output.
I will now level wisdom to level/2 from now on.
Are there any spells that are very useful for normal combat that I have to look out for?
I am still not familiar with enemy types and their elemental weaknesses so I could use a spell that works regardless of the creatures' natures.

My available spells so far:
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:21
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 13:16) *

Memory loss? I'll help you.

That's exactly what you've said.
"Price" won't help yhou in the battle. "Price" won't protect you from attacks. "Price" won't give you advantage. So your "price" is worthless.


I srsly wonder how you read the word "useless". (Or perhaps English isn't my native language?)
It's useless mainly because it doesn't give any boost to the ADB which is, again, less VALUABLE, thus not giving any boost to the price of the item itself.

Wait what?

QUOTE(darkx @ Apr 28 2014, 10:30) *

Do people use Illithid maces? Cuz I just got one and am wondering if it's worth anything

Exquisite Demonic Mace of the Illithid


They worth anything?


QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 11:30) *

Any suffix other than Slaughter for mainhand is useless cuz mainhand is about ADB and PABs (STR and DEX) so your Mace won't sell for too much. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
It can sell for <50k I guess considering it has somewhat good ADB.



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post Apr 28 2014, 07:22
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First things first, the "all mags are gay" thingy is not to be taken literally, you can become an Acolyte just fine even you only loves 2D girls and don't enjoy gay sex thingy, no, the "gay sex thingy" there is sheer masochism. Long story short, have fun dying while playing I Wanna Be the Hentai Game. A lot!



NO, mages must be GAY. Sure, you could be metrosexual and act like a gay even if you are straight but you'll be stealing gay culture from them. By maging even though you are straight, you would be stealing their very identity that makes them unique, that makes them......gay.

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post Apr 28 2014, 07:22
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 14:16) *

Also: jerking off to ADB won't get you too far.


Says the guy with Physical Damage Lv.44 on his estoc. That's ~8m just for the binding of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:27
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:21) *
I srsly wonder how you read the word "useless". (Or perhaps English isn't my native language?)
It's useless mainly because it doesn't give any boost to the ADB which is, again, less VALUABLE, thus not giving any boost to the price of the item itself.

"Useless" is "useless". There is no other exlanation of the word, don't try to jiggle around with the meaning.

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 28 2014, 09:22) *
Says the guy with Physical Damage Lv.44 on his estoc. That's ~8m just for the binding of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I've used only the bindings I get from my monsters, I have 15 more slaughters just gathering dust in my inventory, waiting for HG Metals to appear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:29
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Melees are useless.
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:30
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QUOTE(danixxx @ Apr 28 2014, 09:29) *

Melees are useless.

...and mages are gay. The world is clear and balanced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:31
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QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ Apr 28 2014, 07:20) *

Thanks again.
I checked the settings and was surprised that even though i didn't have a staff or something equipped, I could still cast a Cure spell. This sure is handy, I finally have a way to take use of my mana output.
I will now level wisdom to level/2 from now on.
Are there any spells that are very useful for normal combat that I have to look out for?
I am still not familiar with enemy types and their elemental weaknesses so I could use a spell that works regardless of the creatures' natures.

My available spells so far:
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Well here's my loadout for spells that I use. Most of them are buffs that you get along the way as you continue to level up with the exception of Weaken which is a deprecating spell. Be sure to keep leveling your deprecating proficiency along the way so you can use spells like Imperil and Silence when you start fighting bosses that show up. I would be using Silence and Imperil too, but I neglected leveling my deprecating and it's just short of 26 right now.

As for Rendering Blow and Shatter Strike, those are two additional two-handed skills you get at proficiency 50 and 100 respectively. Instead of the big damage to one target, these are AoE attacks that apply to 5 targets.

And another thing, make sure to use the hotkeys instead of mouse clicking when you're attacking. I didn't figure this out until I was around lvl 150 and I feel stupid for not reading that section on the wiki.

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post Apr 28 2014, 07:32
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 15:27) *

"Useless" is "useless". There is no other exlanation of the word, don't try to jiggle around with the meaning.
I've used only the bindings I get from my monsters, I have 15 more slaughters just gathering dust in my inventory, waiting for HG Metals to appear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


You could have used some those bindings to, you know, buy a leg/peerless estoc of battlecast so you only need to use 30 bindings to get the same amount of ADB, and overall better base stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:35
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 28 2014, 09:32) *
You could have used some those bindings to, you know, buy a leg/peerless estoc of battlecast so you only need to use 30 bindings to get the same amount of ADB, and overall better base stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Look at my sig. I'm searching for better BC eth estoc since 0.73 or something like that, and I haven't found one yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:37
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 13:27) *

"Useless" is "useless". There is no other exlanation of the word, don't try to jiggle around with the meaning.


You're entitled to how you interpret the word, but I myself, consciously, intended the term "useless" to describe how a non-Slaughter suffix is useless in boosting ADB, -sighs- which would make ANY mainhand/two-handed weapons less valuable, having less market price which is what our dear friend there was questioning about.

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I've used only the bindings I get from my monsters, I have 15 more slaughters just gathering dust in my inventory, waiting for HG Metals to appear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Bindings from your own source are still bindings. And they boost ADB too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 13:30) *

...and mages are gay. The world is clear and balanced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Indeed. D:
Only rich players get to be tankish mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Apr 28 2014, 07:46
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:37) *
You're entitled to how you interpret the word, but I myself, consciously, intended the term "useless" to describe how a non-Slaughter suffix is useless in boosting ADB, -sighs- which would make ANY mainhand/two-handed weapons less valuable, having less market price which is what our dear friend there was questioning about.

Oh, I also forgot this line:
QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 08:51) *
And not jerking off to ADB means not telling the truth, thus telling invalid statements.

How do you interpret this, I wonder?

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:37) *
Bindings from your own source are still bindings. And they boost ADB too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Yeah, but I forge everything on my current set when I can, even the less required stats.
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:49
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 15:35) *

Look at my sig. I'm searching for better BC eth estoc since 0.73 or something like that, and I haven't found one yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Try bumping it harder? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Or jump on the slaughter bandwagon Apparently supply is ample, even though the price tag is very discouraging (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Apr 28 2014, 07:50
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 13:30) *
QUOTE(danixxx @ Apr 28 2014, 13:29) *
Melees are useless.
...and mages are gay. The world is clear and balanced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Wait, that's no gay, that is GAR. As in, gay for Archmage? (or at least gay for the Archmage status)
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
ROFL

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 13:37) *
Only rich players get to be tankish mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Comes with the territory of any allegedly free game. says Admin-kun, why should the HV be any different?
In his eyes, HV is just a goodie little game made to have us support this gallery. Nothing more, nothing less. I even have a record to prove it... here it is.

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 3 2014, 20:50)
That's the second most retarded thing I've read all day. Money is nice and buys things like servers and bandwidth, but there are roughly ten times more active H@H clients than there are active Adopt-a-Server slots. They make up a very small amount of the total Hath/GP dished out by that system.

The best way to contribute, sans quote marks, is to do whatever you are capable of that helps the site in any way. If you have a fast internet connection or spare capacity on a server, H@H is an excellent way to do so. On the other hand, as I was alluding to in my initial post: playing HV is not contributing, it's just playing a game. So stop whining about actual contributors gaining advantages.


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post Apr 28 2014, 07:54
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 28 2014, 13:46) *

Oh, I also forgot this line:

How do you interpret this, I wonder?
Yeah, but I forge everything on my current set when I can, even the less required stats.


Ah alright alright, I'm getting tired so I'll make my last words for this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ever wonder what makes an item more valuable in a market?
The bandwagon trend, the need of it etc.
And when you're questioned if an item is valuable in a market, what would you think before you answer?
*Does it ridingfollow the bandwagon trend? Does it meet people's need?
**Nah don't care, as long as it still has some price it can still be sold, don't bother about riding the bandwagonthe trend.

I dunno about you but I thought*. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Apr 28 2014, 08:01
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 09:54) *
Ah alright alright, I'm getting tired so I'll make my last words for this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ever wonder what makes an item more valuable in a market?
The bandwagon trend, the need of it etc.
And when you're questioned if an item is valuable in a market, what would you think before you answer?
*Does it ridingfollow the bandwagon trend? Does it meet people's need?
**Nah don't care, as long as it still has some price it can still be sold, don't bother about riding the bandwagonthe trend.

I dunno about you but I thought*. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Well, your statements were looking less like being about market value and more like being about usefulness in general. Maybe you should be more precise when picking the words, it should prevent misunderstanding.
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post Apr 28 2014, 08:08
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Oh. My. God.
I thank you very much for your gift!
Just yesterday evening I learned from the Training feature and am currently on level 2 of Adept Learner.
With my limited Credits Pool, I was scared enough to avoid visiting this pages due to the high prices and kept myself only on the Battlegrounds. I will gladly use your credits to finance my leveling of Adept Learner.

And also a thank you to Evil Scorpio for your gifts, they enhanced my equipment by a lot.
I know they are good because I've never seen an "Exquisite"-tier EQ before.
For me up till now I lived by the motto "Crude is Good" and lived from the battlefield drops


Adept Learner = Good. Keep it up.
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post Apr 28 2014, 08:15
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 27 2014, 22:18) *

imo, Axe can be as good as a rapier (or arguably better), as long as you've a good enough shield (MMax or EMax if you play <IWTBH) & play non-SG arenas. also, nowadays, you can get a Legendary Axe of Slaughter (non-ethereal) for the price of Exq Rapier Slaughter.

on my end, the Axe does ~500 more damage with ~15% less parries. though, if i've the time/credits to lvl10 out of my Leg Axe, it'll do ~700 more damage with lv5 butcher. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

ps. just got this Mag Oak Staff of Focus drop, is it any good? or savage potential 20k material?


I've not had much success with using an axe in 1H, the damage is bigger when it does connect but it doesn't connect as often as my rapier and not having PA doesn't help either. I've found that with an axe, I am healing more often than when I use a rapier with about 35~40% less ADB.


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