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Apr 27 2014, 16:43
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Cats Lover
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When lvl is high enough, we can easily get a proficiency from 0 to 200+ within a half day. And now there's mousemelee and spellspam, that are really helpful to grind proficiency.
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Apr 27 2014, 16:54
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 27 2014, 22:36)  mmm... wait, are you a mage?
You just didn't quite read the fine print from my posted stat and PAB distribution choice, do you... And if I'm not then why do you think I would even bother to grind them in the first place anyway...? QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 27 2014, 22:43)  When lvl is high enough, we can easily get a proficiency from 0 to 200+ within a half day. And now there's mousemelee and spellspam, that are really helpful to grind proficiency. That's gonna make my 2H and HW prof skyrocket real quick if it stands true with the current version. I prefer keybinds, inconvenient as the default one as is, thank you very much.
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Apr 27 2014, 16:57
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etothex
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QUOTE(jimmy123 @ Apr 27 2014, 07:12)  well, i was alternating between 2h mace and 2h estoc for the stuns and penetrating procs... is it better to be a mage now ? O_o what new gears do u think i should go for ? i really like the shadowdancer suffix, thats why i went for them, but since my gears are only "superior" and "fine" tiers, i doubt they are of any use for my current level...
furthermore, i'm not sure of the market price for a decent set of equips at the moment... anyone care to share some findings with me ?
also, how long does it take to do itemworld and how much will it roughly cost for someone to level it for me ?
a lot of 4pab exq shade can be found for 50k, but you'll have to spend some time scouring the WTS. Mags cost 100k+ generally (4pab), but you can sometimes find a workable 3 pab one for 50-100k. Dunno for your level, how long it takes, but exquisites have @50-60 rounds, mags 70-80 rounds. You can do them on hell difficulty and probably get 1 lvl per 2 runs the first 3 times or so. Gearing up for IW can be different than Arena though (not for 1h generally), since it requires more pmi/defense for the damage scaling. If you have enough potion slots, bring some health potions. You don't even have to level the item completely, or just pay for the rest, after it starts taking too long.
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Apr 27 2014, 16:59
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 28 2014, 00:34)  So much for being no offense. I dunno if it's just melee user have easier time to grind profs or whatnot, but the landmine here is that I'm grinding Divine and Forbidden proficiency RIGHT NOW and didn't made much progress so far (due to shitty Net connection), so don't give me that just because I couldn't grind hard enough to get 200 prof within a week...
Best way to grind proficiency is to grind exp. At level 300, you get from 0 to 200 prof in 3 days (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:01
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 27 2014, 16:54)  You just didn't quite read the fine print from my posted stat and PAB distribution choice, do you... And if I'm not then why do you think I would even bother to grind them in the first place anyway...?
yep, that was too long and i was also checking auctions and FS thread, my bad... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i guess that to be a showoff one should at least understand when to do it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:02
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darkx
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 27 2014, 10:59)  Best way to grind proficiency is to grind exp. At level 300, you get from 0 to 200 prof in 3 days (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Yep, I got my divine proficieny to 200 in 3 days. lol Though it was a pain
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Apr 27 2014, 17:03
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(darkx @ Apr 27 2014, 17:02)  Yep, I got my divine proficieny to 200 in 3 days. lol
Though it was a pain
interesting. mage or melee? if the latter, how is paradis lost? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:07
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darkx
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 27 2014, 11:03)  interesting. mage or melee? if the latter, how is paradis lost? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I play as a mage. Paradise lost is okay, very costly to use with mp, but I don't have full heimdall gear so I don't know how useful it is.
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Apr 27 2014, 17:08
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tempasdf
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 27 2014, 16:23)  i still can't believe this 1PAB rapier is sold for 350k. or this rapier sold for 450k iirc, it both were lvl 0 during auction. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) in fact they were L10 and L9 during auction ★ IW service cost a lot and first one has Fatality Lv.5 which is better for non-forged rapier than Butcher Lv.5 as on me for rapiers from low-mid category 4PABs are not main, but if she had STR+DEX ^^ I would easily give 400kС for the holy
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Apr 27 2014, 17:08
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malkatmp
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just curious, is there any benefit for having higher Divine/Elemental Prof for a melee charater? mine is currently sitting at a all time High: 0.17/10.11. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:13
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 27 2014, 22:59)  Best way to grind proficiency is to grind exp. At level 300, you get from 0 to 200 prof in 3 days (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Simply winning several PFUDOR RE's in mage setup recently didn't really give much of a confidence with attrition battles like Arena/Item World in a mage setup at Hell difficulty... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also, the required EXP scales like no kill like overkill... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:17
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 28 2014, 00:08)  just curious, is there any benefit for having higher Divine/Elemental Prof for a melee charater? mine is currently sitting at a all time High: 0.17/10.11. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Unless you want to use Ether Theft (Divine) / Spirit Theft (Forbidden), there's no benefit from them. Or... you can prepare someday to change to mage at least. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Apr 27 2014, 17:21
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(darkx @ Apr 27 2014, 23:02)  Yep, I got my divine proficieny to 200 in 3 days. lol
Though it was a pain Exactly it is. I could probably do it within a week or less if only have a good Net connection, but I didn't. Getting better Net connection is out of option for me, for obvious reasons (cold hard cash). QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 27 2014, 23:01)  yep, that was too long and i was also checking auctions and FS thread, my bad... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i guess that to be a showoff one should at least understand when to do it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well, as long as you understand, that's okay I guess. QUOTE(darkx @ Apr 27 2014, 23:07)  I play as a mage. Paradise lost is okay, very costly to use with mp, but I don't have full heimdall gear so I don't know how useful it is. Well, I do have them... but I don't have the skill and level... just yet. QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 27 2014, 23:08)  just curious, is there any benefit for having higher Divine/Elemental Prof for a melee charater? mine is currently sitting at a all time High: 0.17/10.11. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) None for you when you're lugging heavy power armor, I'm afraid... With Shade Armaments perhaps you could proc (Divine) / Spirit Theft (Forbidden) with Paradise or Ragnarok, that's gonna cost the associated ability: Soul Fire/Ripened Soul, plus drain abilities. Better Drain 1+2+3+4+5 = 15 AP Soul Fire 7+10 = 17 + 15 (Lv450) = 32AP Ripened Soul 7+10 = 17 + 15 (Lv450) = 32AP Better Paradise 7 + 9 = 16 + 12 (Lv400) = 28AP Better Ragnarok 7 + 9 = 16 + 12 (Lv400) = 28AP Total 15+17+16 = 48AP + 17+16 = 81AP 81 + 15*2 + 12*2 = 135AP This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 27 2014, 17:55
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Apr 27 2014, 17:22
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kos9494
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 27 2014, 22:14)  Mine's got 118.6% mana cost modifier Health points 9861 Magic points 1046 Spirit points 724
Dual wielding 80.34 Light armor 174.02
Light armor is my second highest prof, after Supportive prof at 177.14, thanks to all the PFUDOR RE's I've gone through in DW setup. The lack of stat must've come from not spending enough Ability Points into DW and light armor prof aside from more DW damage, DW crit and HP/MP I think.
Also, both of your weapons are more powerful than mine, my offhand is an ethereal rapier of balance.
Here's my real HP MP and SP:  Still need improvement on that hp to enhance my 2H survivability. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) And seriously it's really dangerous for running PF REs with a spawn of 8+ mobs using DW with that stat. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You have to reach approximately 10k hp or 80% of parry+evade combined to have a safe run. I know you're just a part time DW but I think you should try running some Nightmare IW on Mag. pieces to grind your prof. a little. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) And talk about parry... QUOTE(something @ Apr 27 2014, 22:24)  i'm sitting at ~5100 atm so your damage should slightly more than that at my level considering your axe/rapier has about the same damage as my club/rapier. also, since everyone's posting stats for one reason or another:  Holy fuck, THAT PARRY and THAT ATTACK SPEED of yours really got me shocked. 54.5% parry (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) Now I see why you mentioned about DW is about the same as 1H... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: Apr 27 2014, 17:25
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Apr 27 2014, 17:44
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 27 2014, 23:22)  Here's my real HP MP and SP:  Still need improvement on that hp to enhance my 2H survivability. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) iirc I could get up to 10k HP if I've invested a bit more on Light HP/MP... QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 27 2014, 23:22)  And seriously it's really dangerous for running PF REs with a spawn of 8+ mobs using DW with that stat. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You have to reach approximately 10k hp or 80% of parry+evade combined to have a safe run. I know you're just a part time DW but I think you should try running some Nightmare IW on Mag. pieces to grind your prof. a little. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) And yet that's how I grinded all the way to level 250 until today. I simply cast Sleep and Imperil on them after the buffing spells, get the Overcharge to 210%, go Spirit Stance and fire the OFC, usually that hits the whole party for 100k damage, good enough to kill'em in one shots (in mage setup I replace Sleep with Weaken, buff up real quick and cast Imperil whenever it's ready, cast sleep when I have more than 5 enemies, then smite away, except that need tons of SP to survive). Considering how I REALLY need to IW my heimdall phases I might as well take that advice and start doing that. QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 27 2014, 23:30)  With enough forging, even mage can be as tanky as 1H (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'll start with IW. Phazons are damned expensive with that many high-level mages demanding them. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 27 2014, 18:07
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Apr 27 2014, 18:23
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Caia
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 27 2014, 23:21)  None for you when you're lugging heavy power armor, I'm afraid... With Shade Armaments perhaps you could proc (Divine) / Spirit Theft (Forbidden) with Paradise or Ragnarok, that's gonna cost the associated ability: Soul Fire/Ripened Soul, plus drain abilities. Any kind of melee can benefit from Spirit Theft. As 1H heavy the occasional Spirit Theft off of Ragnarok has been very helpful to me (and then I just convert excess OC to mana so it's not like I'm wasting excessive mana on Ragnarok or anything).
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Apr 27 2014, 18:38
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 27 2014, 17:17)  Unless you want to use Ether Theft (Divine) / Spirit Theft (Forbidden), there's no benefit from them. Or... you can prepare someday to change to mage at least. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Caia @ Apr 27 2014, 18:23)  Any kind of melee can benefit from Spirit Theft. As 1H heavy the occasional Spirit Theft off of Ragnarok has been very helpful to me (and then I just convert excess OC to mana so it's not like I'm wasting excessive mana on Ragnarok or anything).
i use "spirit theft" too which is pretty good. ie ~10% mana for ~10% spirit. though, sometimes i wonder is there anyway to drain more spirit (or how useful is Mana theft for melee). also, is Forbidden prof just effect proc chance? or should i actively grind my Forbidden prof from 200 to 320?
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Apr 27 2014, 18:57
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kos9494
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 27 2014, 23:44)  iirc I could get up to 10k HP if I've invested a bit more on Light HP/MP...
And yet that's how I grinded all the way to level 250 until today. I simply cast Sleep and Imperil on them after the buffing spells, get the Overcharge to 210%, go Spirit Stance and fire the OFC, usually that hits the whole party for 100k damage, good enough to kill'em in one shots (in mage setup I replace Sleep with Weaken, buff up real quick and cast Imperil whenever it's ready, cast sleep when I have more than 5 enemies, then smite away, except that need tons of SP to survive).
All hail Obito Orbital Friendship Cannon! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Well if OFC is your main DPS for RE you might as well use 1H + Shade.
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Apr 27 2014, 19:46
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 28 2014, 00:57)  All hail Obito Orbital Friendship Cannon! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Well if OFC is your main DPS for RE you might as well use 1H + Shade. I'd say add the Force Shield to the mix... unless if you prefer shieldless 1H style... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I guess I'll try that out in the IW after I've got Frenzied Blows. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 27 2014, 19:48
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