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post Apr 16 2014, 14:25
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 16 2014, 20:18) *
PL750, require around 16 crystal packs.
If you do more than 1 GF per days, you need 2 ED for each extra GF. More if you fail in pony master ™.
Also, I think Energy Drink is somewhat overrated for grindfesting, at least if you're in it for crystals. I've done the math, and from my calculation the "Great" stamina status lasts only 475 rounds when a single grindfest run has 1000. With that limited amount of rounds I'd rather do DwD and maybe try getting the Dovahkiin title, but I'll need to secure a hallowed phase set before that.

Actually, I ordered exactly this much from Phantom-san (geddit?), but I'm about 100 level short on level count. Sure, on paper it should've reached about ~PV723 or so, but nope... it sure as hell didn't. I wonder if the PV increase stats was messed up somewhere...?

EDIT: Turns out, for the latter, I simply messed up my calculation on my spreadsheet. the PV calculation has been corrected.

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post Apr 16 2014, 14:43
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 13:59) *

You'll acquire MagNet at depreciating proficiency of 100, which can prove indispensible whenever you fight against monsters with insane evade rates. Enemies can still parry your melee attacks, but it's useful against monsters with insane evade rate nevertheless.

i have it and never found it useful, actually i used it 3 or 4 times before growing tired of how useless it is... maybe i caught the wrong monsters, but actually is keeping occupied one ability and one quickspell slot for nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 14:50
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 19:59) *

You'll acquire MagNet at depreciating proficiency of 100, which can prove indispensible whenever you fight against monsters with insane evade rates. Enemies can still parry your melee attacks, but it's useful against monsters with insane evade rate nevertheless.


Oh woah thanks for reminding me there's one last deprecating spell that requires certain amount of prof. to be available. Almost forgot that.

So, does it gain any AoE bonus upon ability-leveled? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 16 2014, 20:43) *

i have it and never found it useful, actually i used it 3 or 4 times before growing tired of how useless it is... maybe i caught the wrong monsters, but actually is keeping occupied one ability and one quickspell slot for nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Shouldn't an anti-evade spell be soooo useful? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 14:53
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 16 2014, 14:50) *

Oh woah thanks for reminding me there's one last deprecating spell that requires certain amount of prof. to be available. Almost forgot that.

So, does it gain any AoE bonus upon ability-leveled? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Shouldn't an anti-evade spell be soooo useful? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

yes, at level 340 it will snare 2 mobs instead of 1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) wiki

Edited: it may also be because of my berserk style/great rely on stun effect, i don't know... what are the biggest anti-evade monsters nowadays, just to know?

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post Apr 16 2014, 15:00
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 16 2014, 20:18) *
PL750, require around 16 crystal packs.

Haha, not even close. Starting from around PL240, I've bought a total of 25 crystal packs for my monster and it's only just reached PL756.
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post Apr 16 2014, 15:01
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 14:25) *

Also, I think Energy Drink is somewhat overrated for grindfesting, at least if you're in it for crystals. I've done the math, and it says the "Great" stamina status lasts only 475 rounds when a single grindfest run has 1000. With that limited amount of rounds I'd rather do DwD and maybe try getting the Dovahkiin title, but I'll need to secure a hallowed phase set before that.

Actually, I ordered exactly this much from Phantom-san (geddit?), but I'm about 100 level short on level count. Sure, on paper it should've reached about ~PV723 or so, but nope... it sure as hell didn't. I wonder if the PV increase stats was messed up somewhere...?

EDIT: Turns out, for the latter, I simply messed up my calculation on my spreadsheet. the PV calculation has been corrected.


it took me 17 crystal packs + change (ie loose crystals, whatever from artifacts) + drops to raise my guy from 0 to 750. i'd assume it'll take ~19 + change to get to PL750. iirc, @ PL 700, 1 primary stat boost increase PL by 9. so say <10,000 primary stat crystals (@10c each, 100k credits) x 2 = 200k crystals can boost the PL by 18 (9*2). hence, the change part.

buying another 2 packs will get you nowhere, because you'll still need another pack or 2 to raise 1 pt of Elementary mitigation (27=>28 cost 5690 crystals), or a Lot more packs to raise Primary stat (12=>13 cost 10k crystals).

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post Apr 16 2014, 16:09
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Uploaded yet another spreadsheet again for all your level grinding + monster raising woes.
This one calculates every last one EXP you have ever accumulated in Hentaiverse, as well as calculating the Power Level of your monster depending of upgrade tiers.

Attached File  experience__PV_calc_v3.zip ( 20.8k ) Number of downloads: 32

Enjoy.
P.S. sorry that's it's the ol-fashioned .xls format, don't have Microsoft Excel on my comp, I would be glad if anyone could tell me of an online converter to .xlsx...

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post Apr 16 2014, 16:28
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Primary +13 (Crystal 167556, PL 468), Elemental +26 (Crystal 101694, PL 288) -> PL 756
(167556 * 9.5) + (101694 * 7) = 2,303,640 c

Or

Primary +12 (Crystal 107556, PL 414), Elemental +29 (Crystal 206004, PL 342) -> PL 756
(107556 * 9.5) + (206004 * 7) = 2,463,810 c
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post Apr 16 2014, 16:36
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 16 2014, 22:28) *
Primary +13 (Crystal 167556, PL 468), Elemental +26 (Crystal 101694, PL 288) -> PL 756
(167556 * 9.5) + (101694 * 7) = 2,303,640 c
Or
Primary +12 (Crystal 107556, PL 414), Elemental +29 (Crystal 206004, PL 342) -> PL 756
(107556 * 9.5) + (206004 * 7) = 2,463,810 c
So the standard pricing for crystal is 9.5 for stats and 7 for elements?
I'll take account of these in my next update.

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post Apr 16 2014, 16:40
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 22:09) *

Uploaded yet another spreadsheet again for all your level grinding + monster raising woes.
This one calculates every last one EXP you have ever accumulated in Hentaiverse, as well as calculating the Power Level of your monster depending of upgrade tiers.

Attached File  experience__PV_calc_v3.zip ( 20.8k ) Number of downloads: 32

Enjoy.
P.S. sorry that's it's the ol-fashioned .xls format, don't have Microsoft Excel on my comp, I would be glad if anyone could tell me of an online converter to .xlsx...


Thanks, that'd help a lot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Apr 16 2014, 16:48
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 23:36) *

So the stand pricing for crystal is 9.5 for stats and 7 for elements?
I'll add these in my next update.

Just estimation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
1 crystal pack is normally 105k~110k at WTS/WTB, but (9.5 * 6000) + (7 * 6000) = 99k. So it's the lowest price I could set for individual crystal.

Raising price of Elemental Crystal to 7.5 (1 pack total 102k) or 8.0 (1 pack total 105k) makes sense if you buy 1 pack unit from other users.
If you buy all from bazzar item shop or item shop bot, the price of all the crystals is 10.0 (total 120k)
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post Apr 16 2014, 16:55
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Just found that you guys are so rich that buying crystal from others. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Althought my level is higher, I'm so poor that can only use my own drop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

From cat's data, it seems around 10 Hellfest runs are necessary to raise a monster from 0 to 750. I may rise my monsters one by one to 750 after I quit D3. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:02
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 16 2014, 22:55) *
Just found that you guys are so rich that buying crystal from others. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I haven't invested in Hath perks and I don't have the time to do lots of Hellfest, so it makes more sense for me to save for crystal packs at this stage rather than work on gathering my own crystals. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:26
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 17 2014, 00:55) *

Just found that you guys are so rich that buying crystal from others. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Althought my level is higher, I'm so poor that can only use my own drop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

From cat's data, it seems around 10 Hellfest runs are necessary to raise a monster from 0 to 750.


Gold star gives you bonus exp, so you gain level faster other non-gold-star people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cat has crys 3, you only have crys 2 iirc. So you probably have to do 13 run :/ (And I will have to do 20 runs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:26
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 16 2014, 22:40) *

Thanks, that'd help a lot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Glad you liked it, but now I've uploaded an even better one. as it now includes the cost per unit calculation for crystals.
Attached File  experience_PV_calc_v3.1.zip ( 20.92k ) Number of downloads: 30

QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 16 2014, 22:55) *
Just found that you guys are so rich that buying crystal from others. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Although my level is higher, I'm so poor that can only use my own drop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

From cat's data, it seems around 10 Hellfest runs are necessary to raise a monster from 0 to 750. I may rise my monsters one by one to 750 after I quit D3. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I bought my crystal pack on credit actually.
If I have enough Credits, max Crystarium hath perk and powerful enough mage equip (preferably at level 500 to boot). I think I should be able to run a leased type Crystal shop and earn loads of credits from that. Gotta retract the rent-purchase part though, you can return the crystal of course, but can you do that after your monster had ate them?

Also, trainers like gc00018 would be automatically blacklisted, for obvious reasons. I'd rather not stain my hand raising his stupidly named monsters.

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:43
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 23:26) *

Glad you liked it, but now I've uploaded an even better one. as it now includes the cost per unit calculation for crystals.
Attached File  experience_PV_calc_v3.1.zip ( 20.92k ) Number of downloads: 30

I bought my crystal pack on credit actually.
If I have enough Credits, max Crystarium hath perk and powerful enough mage equip (preferably at level 500 to boot). I think I should be able to run a leased type Crystal shop and earn loads of credits from that. Gotta retract the rent-purchase part though, you can return the crystal of course, but can you do that after your monster had ate them?


Oh dear, that number... I feel like starving my monsters to death now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Thanks anyway.


My new discovery:

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Holy fuck now I know why some people argue that DW's better than 2H.
DA FANCY OMNISLASH (DotA Juggernaut's) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:56
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 16 2014, 23:43) *
Oh dear, that number... I feel like starving my monsters to death now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Thanks anyway.
My new discovery:

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Holy fuck now I know why some people argue that DW's better than 2H.
DA FANCY OMNISLASH (DotA Juggernaut's) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

-hugs DW as main style-
I personally thought it was like the Starburst Stream from Sword Art Online. I even have a rearranged "Swordsland" to go with it.
Just try it out mano-a-mano against one of the bosses and you'll agree.
(IMG:[img2.wikia.nocookie.net] http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130721044526/swordartonline/images/c/cc/Starburst_Stream.gif)
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 16 2014, 23:26) *
Gold star gives you bonus exp, so you gain level faster other non-gold-star people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cat has crys 3, you only have crys 2 iirc. So you probably have to do 13 run :/ (And I will have to do 20 runs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))
I don't have Crystarium perk either, for obvious reasons.

Also, it seems that beginning at Level 310 or so the EXP required started to skyrocket to billions.

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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 17:56) *

Also, it seems that beginning at Level 310 or so the EXP required started to skyrocket to billions.
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EXP required for next level = (current_level + 5)^((1.8932743 + pi / 10.03318263060212)^(1 + current_level / 500))


It's exponential, don't make a chart it'll get depressing at 300+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 16 2014, 18:40
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QUOTE(simrock87 @ Apr 17 2014, 00:15) *

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EXP required for next level = (current_level + 5)^((1.8932743 + pi / 10.03318263060212)^(1 + current_level / 500))

It's exponential, don't make a chart it'll get depressing at 300+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Oh, but I already did, not to mention there's a table already on ehwiki. More importantly, could it be that the PFUDOR RE's gonna stay at eight digits of EXP at that level?

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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 16 2014, 17:26) *

I bought my crystal pack on credit actually.
If I have enough Credits, max Crystarium hath perk and powerful enough mage equip (preferably at level 500 to boot). I think I should be able to run a leased type Crystal shop and earn loads of credits from that. Gotta retract the rent-purchase part though, you can return the crystal of course, but can you do that after your monster had ate them?

Also, trainers like gc00018 would be automatically blacklisted, for obvious reasons. I'd rather not stain my hand raising his stupidly named monsters.

you would surely make lots of credits and i agree on blacklisting certain trainers as well, but it will be better to think at better (objective) reasons... besides, he's a multi-star, and judging from the number of mobs he surely have a couple of crystarium, so he doesn't need a crystal pack when with a single hellfest he may have plenty of them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

btw, once your monster ate crystals they're gone: puff! only way to have them back is to grind them another time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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