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post Apr 15 2014, 17:07
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 15 2014, 14:31) *

Well, I'd say that the curiosity had (nearly) pwned you.
I used depreciating spells to get even for PFUDOR RE, i've even pwned "Kodou Yuki" with this setup by giving it the Penetrated Armor proc and one-shot it with OFC.
Also, DW is impractical with heavy armor when you can't evade, get light armor/shade armaments and try it again with Shadow Veil on your IA.

Btw, you have about... 5k attack power when I had around 1800... is that your power armor or did it come with Level 300 melee?


~5286 = 956 (base damage from Str/Dex?) + 1182 (both weapons) + 1055 (from DW prof, 211*5) + 2093 (power armor damage bonus)
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post Apr 15 2014, 17:21
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 15 2014, 23:07) *
~5286 = 956 (base damage from Str/Dex?) + 1182 (both weapons) + 1055 (from DW prof, 211*5) + 2093 (power armor damage bonus)
That's pretty high for power armor. Are they legendary-grade or forged or both?
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post Apr 15 2014, 17:33
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 15 2014, 17:21) *

That's pretty high for power armor. Are they legendary-grade or forged or both?


i think a lot of it is just lvl scaling. not the best stuff around, some of them are 2PAB, but good enough for now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Exquisite Power Helmet of Slaughter
Exquisite Ruby Power Armor of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Ruby Power Boots of Warding

ps. there's plenty of people with much much higher ABD & iirc, Cat Lover has OVER 9000 ABD (~10k?)

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post Apr 15 2014, 17:42
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 15 2014, 20:15) *

Are these your leg/mag grade power armors speaking your experience by any chance?

I only use Ex power slaughter. Their ADB are not even close to Sup max (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
When your level getting higher, you do not really need any top gear to clear arena/GF.
A correct setup is more important than top notch items.
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post Apr 15 2014, 17:42
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 15 2014, 16:33) *

i think a lot of it is just lvl scaling. not the best stuff around, some of them are 2PAB, but good enough for now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Exquisite Power Helmet of Slaughter
Exquisite Ruby Power Armor of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Ruby Power Boots of Warding

ps. there's plenty of people with much much higher ABD & iirc, Cat Lover has OVER 9000 ABD (~10k?)

some of them have quite good dmg roll, but you actually have almost 0 END from armor, that's a huge penalty imo...
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post Apr 15 2014, 17:43
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 15 2014, 23:33) *

i think a lot of it is just lvl scaling. not the best stuff around, some of them are 2PAB, but good enough for now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Exquisite Power Helmet of Slaughter
Exquisite Ruby Power Armor of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Ruby Power Boots of Warding

ps. there's plenty of people with much much higher ABD & iirc, Cat Lover has OVER 9000 ABD (~10k?)


That attack power... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I should consider switching to 1H+Power... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Apr 15 2014, 18:04
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 15 2014, 10:55) *

DW Axe + Axe + Power Slaughter is the ultimate Berserker, ADB to the max (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I don't think that's a true Berserker, you're still hiding behind heavy armor.

I true Berserker hits hard and fast, using lighter armor to maximize speed and evade. Survival then becomes a matter of landing your hits first, dodging, and hitting really hard.

At least that's what I have in mind
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post Apr 15 2014, 18:07
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 15 2014, 17:42) *

I only use Ex power slaughter. Their ADB are not even close to Sup max (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
When your level getting higher, you do not really need any top gear to clear arena/GF.
A correct setup is more important than top notch items.


yup, i've taken your advise. also, currently saving for a Leg Axe slaughter. if 1H got nerf, i'll still hv the axe & rapier for DW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 15 2014, 17:42) *

some of them have quite good dmg roll, but you actually have almost 0 END from armor, that's a huge penalty imo...


not rich enough for 3PAB slaughter gear with END, but some of them i've tried to get some Juggernauts which improves my HP by a bit. though, imo, after a certain point you don't need that much HP, especially, i don't generally do GF or SG runs. also, i'm too cheap to spend an extra 2-5mil to get an extra 1400 HP & 20 more SP.

though, for extra safety, i generally use this gauntlet on my regular PF runs.

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 15 2014, 17:43) *

That attack power... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I should consider switching to 1H+Power... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


you can try it out if you want. for melee, it's pretty good. you can actually put together a decent non-slaughter power set <100k. the Rapier & force Shield might be a bit more expensive, but for starters you can get some great stuff for <30k/ piece.

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post Apr 15 2014, 18:15
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1h+power slaughter is sort of berserker. it just using block instead of evade or parry
true berserker would be DW + power slaughter. Highest attacking power but suicider defense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 15 2014, 18:16
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ Apr 16 2014, 00:15) *

1h+power slaughter is sort of berserker. it just using block instead of evade or parry
true berserker would be DW + power slaughter. Highest attacking power but suicider defense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

True berserker do not wear armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 15 2014, 18:23
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 16 2014, 00:07) *

you can try it out if you want. for melee, it's pretty good. you can actually put together a decent non-slaughter power set <100k. the Rapier & force Shield might be a bit more expensive, but for starters you can get some great stuff for <30k/ piece.


Yeah relatively cheap starter, insanely expensive end-game gearing...
But I'll see into it.

QUOTE(Hahhaa @ Apr 16 2014, 00:15) *

1h+power slaughter is sort of berserker. it just using block instead of evade or parry
true berserker would be DW + power slaughter. Highest attacking power but suicider defense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


I'd agree with you on that. I always thought that true Berserker doesn't dodge but tanks, doesn't hit fast but hard and doesn't fight smart but suicidal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


> DW users
Is this Magnificient Ethereal Rapier of Balance good for off-hand? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
And is it worth spending money and time to forge&IW it?
Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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post Apr 15 2014, 18:27
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 15 2014, 17:07) *

not rich enough for 3PAB slaughter gear with END, but some of them i've tried to get some Juggernauts which improves my HP by a bit. though, imo, after a certain point you don't need that much HP, especially, i don't generally do GF or SG runs. also, i'm too cheap to spend an extra 2-5mil to get an extra 1400 HP & 20 more SP.

though, for extra safety, i generally use this gauntlet on my regular PF runs.

i have 222END from armor, which reflect in about 2500 HP more if i did the right calculations (without even slotting all the AP), not to mention a bunch of PMI and MMI (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but yep, 3PAB slaughters are surely expensive, actually i prefer to go with protection/warding and losing a bit of DMG to have all 3 PABs...

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 15 2014, 17:23) *

> DW users
Is this Magnificient Ethereal Rapier of Balance good for off-hand? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
And is it worth spending money and time to forge&IW it?
Suggestions are greatly appreciated.

it depends on price, but apart from PA chance it seems better than mine, just to give an example. i don't know about forging, but surely a couple of IW wouldn't be that bad...

QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 15 2014, 17:16) *

True berserker do not wear armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

they go with bare fists too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[edit]: varst's name is in red: has he become a global mod? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Apr 15 2014, 18:30
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 15 2014, 18:23) *

Yeah relatively cheap starter, insanely expensive end-game gearing...
But I'll see into it.


everything will gets exponentially more expensive.

a 2PAB force shield with EMax block cost ~10k. average 3PAB than you're looking at ~30k. slightly better 3PAB than it's 100k. good 3PAB than it's 200-300k.

MMAX block shield is 500+k with 3PAB. 1+mil lot more with good 3PAB.

ps. MMAX is just ~1% more block than EMax @lv300.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 15 2014, 18:27) *

i have 222END from armor, which reflect in about 2500 HP more if i did the right calculations (without even slotting all the AP), not to mention a bunch of PMI and MMI (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but yep, 3PAB slaughters are surely expensive, actually i prefer to go with protection/warding and losing a bit of DMG to have all 3 PABs...

[edit]: varst's name is in red: has he become a global mod? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


i got ~100 from shield + a few equip. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

imo, protection/warding is safe. however, it's too safe even @PF that's why i scarfice my HPs for more damage.

ps. iirc, varst has been a mod for a while.

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post Apr 15 2014, 18:31
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ Apr 15 2014, 18:15) *

1h+power slaughter is sort of berserker. it just using block instead of evade or parry
true berserker would be DW + power slaughter. Highest attacking power but suicider defense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)



QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 15 2014, 18:23) *

I'd agree with you on that. I always thought that true Berserker doesn't dodge but tanks, doesn't hit fast but hard and doesn't fight smart but suicidal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
> DW users
Is this Magnificient Ethereal Rapier of Balance good for off-hand? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
And is it worth spending money and time to forge&IW it?
Suggestions are greatly appreciated.


I can see why you'd both feel that, Heavy intimidating armor and a power boost does seem like it'd be most fitting of a Berserker, but I'm inclined to agree with

QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 15 2014, 18:16) *

True berserker do not wear armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


True Berserkers don't even wear armor in the first place, they go in with weapons alone and rely on their skill to protect them. In my case, light armor gives me that higher evade and speed, along with crit. I'm not hiding behind a suit of armor, I'm slashing through the mobs, on the line between life and death.

True Berserkers are more like Glass cannons.

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post Apr 15 2014, 18:31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 16 2014, 00:27) *

i have 222END from armor, which reflect in about 2500 HP more if i did the right calculations (without even slotting all the AP), not to mention a bunch of PMI and MMI (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but yep, 3PAB slaughters are surely expensive, actually i prefer to go with protection/warding and losing a bit of DMG to have all 3 PABs...
they go with bare fists too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[edit]: varst's name is in red: has he become a global mod? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


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post Apr 15 2014, 18:35
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 16 2014, 02:04) *

I don't think that's a true Berserker, you're still hiding behind heavy armor.

I true Berserker hits hard and fast, using lighter armor to maximize speed and evade. Survival then becomes a matter of landing your hits first, dodging, and hitting really hard.

At least that's what I have in mind


Power armor is only heavy in name. It's arguably even more squishy than phase (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Go play mage then, they hit hard, relies on evade (aka dodging), and wear undergarment to battle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 15 2014, 18:30) *

everything will gets exponentially more expensive.

a 2PAB force shield with EMax block cost ~10k. average 3PAB than you're looking at ~30k. slightly better 3PAB than it's 100k. good 3PAB than it's 200-300k.

MMAX block shield is 500+k with 3PAB. 1+mil lot more with good 3PAB.

ps. MMAX is just ~1% more block than EMax @lv300.

and all slotted abilities it may become 1,5 or osmething similar, but still is cool to say 'my MMAX shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ', now that's what i frequently call 'collective hysteria phenomenon' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
sure thing is that best businesses are made right under that elite zone...

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yep, but that's something new, a few days ago i wrote him and he still had purple name...
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 16 2014, 00:35) *

Power armor is only heavy in name. It's arguably even more squishy than phase (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Go play mage then, they hit hard, relies on evade (aka dodging), and wear underwear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


I suppose that's mostly because in HV invulnerability (parry/block/evasion) works a thousand times better than raw mitigation? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 15 2014, 18:35) *

Power armor is only heavy in name. It's arguably even more squishy than phase (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Go play mage then, they hit hard, relies on evade (aka dodging), and wear undergarment to battle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Mage technically is indeed even more of a Berserker, but I like the idea of using bladed weapons.

And I'm not at all skilled enough at the game to try out a Mage.
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 15 2014, 18:37) *

and all slotted abilities it may become 1,5 or osmething similar, but still is cool to say 'my MMAX shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ', now that's what i frequently call 'collective hysteria phenomenon' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
sure thing is that best businesses are made right under that elite zone...
yep, but that's something new, a few days ago i wrote him and he still had purple name...


i guess we should congratulate him then?

QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 15 2014, 18:38) *

I suppose that's mostly because in HV invulnerabity (parry/block/evasion) works a thousand times better than raw mitigation? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


not getting hit is better than getting hit with some damage mitigated.
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