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you're rich (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

if you haven't got max Pack Rat in training, i'll do that first. then maybe on drop trainings (LotD, scavenger, quartermaster, etc). or maybe a full upgrade in equipment?

imo, mana generally isn't a huge problem for me unless we're talking about grindfest & DwD.
Crystarium perk is good when you do a lot of grindfest. iirc, Holy_Demon said it somewhere before it takes 60-80(?) runs of Hellfest to breakeven on Crystarium1.
Resplendent Regeneration seems like a very minor "upgrade". in combat regen is pretty insignificant & out combat regen is meh when potions are cheap.
Dæmon Duality (damage) is nice to have, but 2000haths for 10%. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Iirc i read that 1 Hellfest yields approximately 1 crystal pack at Crystarium 3, so for crys 0 one pack per 5000 rounds (5 clears), but this is effectively more since crystal drops get rounded down and that way you get less crystals.
Anyway, Crys 1 doubles the rate, so 2.5 HF per cryspack. At 9000c/Hath we're looking at approx 2.25m credits. Price for Cryspacks is about 105k. 2.25m/105k is a little above 21 cryspacks, let's say 22 to account for crystal drops rounding down. So probably at least 55 clears on HF to get even.
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This is only counting income from cryspacks. Credit and Bazaar drops will of course lower this.
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What does RR do anyway? HP does not reg by itself or does RR affect Regen? If so i'll start saving me hath (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

DD is 2k hath, or 18m credits. Spending 18m on equipment is probably more effective than the damage increase than the 10% from DD for most players.

In addition to tranings i'll advertice OFC for 1h, it's pretty nifty for the 1.5m it costs to get the figurines (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by simrock87: Apr 15 2014, 07:09

Hiya, I tried searching for an answer, but my search-fu is weak. How does one determine the price of an item that's destined for the WTS subforum? Is it completely arbitrary, or is there some loose guideline to pricing a piece of equipment? Thanks!

It's more likely to be determined by the equip's actual stats. You'll need to pay more if the more important stats (for example, EDB for phases) approaches the maximum of what you can get from that quality tier.

For Mages, what do they use their overdrive bar for? Spirit Surge and get reduction on spell casts, or focusing/defending or what else?

And I'm not even remotely close to being able to clear hellfest. Heck, at the moment, with my casting set, I'm struggling to get 500+ on normalfest. I'm not sure how people are able to do higher level fights for so many rounds. Is it really just having OP gear that's binded and IW'd to max?

Thanks for the info before.
So now, is it a must for DW style to get Imperil? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Depend on how you play, but since i not use it, it not a must. Then again, i don't play on PF. I got raped pretty bad when the only time i tried PF. Still traumatic by that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
If other DW used Imperil and found it important. Please do confirm that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Hahhaa: Apr 15 2014, 08:01

I have questions about DW style.
Am I right that it's considered faster than 2h mace?

What combinations of weapons are the most popular?

I know that PABs are just added together, and that different procs are counted in entirely separate fashion. but what about crit chance, crit damage, overpower potency and the like? Does they influence both weapons, or counted separately (and in the case of the off-hand weapon only used when off-hand strike have been triggered)?

This post has been edited by Paarfi: Apr 15 2014, 08:08

Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter

I was thinking of purchasing this, the stats look pretty solid. 80k price tag.

Thoughts?

This post has been edited by GodHandZaWarudo: Apr 15 2014, 08:19

hello there i have a few question

1. I currently interested in niten style, and decided to looking for a katana and waki. so any advice for the item stats? like if for katana I better go slaughter with some burden on it (except etheral) or balance who dont have any burden and PAB ? and what about the waki? and what armor I must use if using niten style? light?

2. for potency whats better for katana and waki? overpower, butcher, swift strike or the other one ( i kinda lazy to open wiki (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

3. and at what level we can clear IW with at least exquisite prefix weapon in IWBTH level? and what equipment we must use to clear it without any problem? 2H, 1H+shield



PS : sorry for my bad english (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by YukitoYue: Apr 15 2014, 08:48

I have questions about DW style.
Am I right that it's considered faster than 2h mace?

What combinations of weapons are the most popular?

I know that PABs are just added together, and that different procs are counted in entirely separate fashion. but what about crit chance, crit damage, overpower potency and the like? Does they influence both weapons, or counted separately (and in the case of the off-hand weapon only used when off-hand strike have been triggered)?

I never use 2h, so imo, it depend on the situation. It definitely faster when fighting 1 on 1 especially with high hp boss. Expert here prefer to use DW on SG for that reason.
I'm not sure on other question so I'll let other answer that.

Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter

I was thinking of purchasing this, the stats look pretty solid. 80k price tag.

Thoughts?

My thought is asking here is not a good idea. I would grab that myself if not because I saving credit for other weapon. Heck, I dont even use 2H. My shopping impulse...

Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter

I was thinking of purchasing this, the stats look pretty solid. 80k price tag.

Thoughts?

I'm not trying to act like a pro but as a fellow 2H user myself I don't really recommend using Longsword. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The Bleeding Wound effect is just so ridiculously inefficient compared to Mace/Estoc.

From my experience, Mace is good all the way to Lv. 200. In most situations its mass-stun ability can save your ass while giving you enough time to focus-cast important skills like Silence and Cure.

Estoc on the other hand is very efficient when you're very tankish and you want to mass-reduce the defense of mobs and to kill them off quickly. Apparently, it's the favorite choice of very skilled 2H players.

Longsword grants the highest raw damage power but its dps is still no way close to Estoc+Penetrated Armor. It doesn't even have stun like Mace too.

Well that's what I intepreted from what those pros said so my info might be wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: Apr 15 2014, 08:45

I'm not trying to act like a pro but as a fellow 2H user myself I don't really recommend using Longsword. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The Bleeding Wound effect is just so ridiculously inefficient compared to Mace/Estoc.

From my experience, Mace is good all the way to Lv. 200. In most situations its mass-stun ability can save your ass while giving you enough time to focus-cast important skills like Silence and Cure.

Estoc on the other hand is very efficient when you're very tankish and you want to mass-reduce the defense of mobs and to kill them off quickly. Apparently, it's the favorite choice of very skilled 2H players.

Longsword grants the highest raw damage power but its dps is still no way close to Estoc+Penetrated Armor. It doesn't even have stun like Mace too.

Well that's what I intepreted from what those pros said so my info might be wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

What I had originally planned was hitting hard while relying on evade and speed. I figured Longsword would be the best in terms of hitting the hardest, and that an Ethereal Longsword would take care of the burden issue.

Is Longsword really that inefficient at higher levels? I don't even really care about the procs, I figured that raw damage would be enough on its own.

What I had originally planned was hitting hard while relying on evade and speed. I figured Longsword would be the best in terms of hitting the hardest, and that an Ethereal Longsword would take care of the burden issue.

Is Longsword really that inefficient at higher levels? I don't even really care about the procs, I figured that raw damage would be enough on its own.

Regardless of any melee style, if you want to hit the hardest you will definitely need some kind of defense-reducing debuff like penetrated armor and imperil. An Estoc with 2x or 3x PA proc. (25% per stack, max stack is 3, so you get 75% defense reduction on mobs) will definitely deal more damage than Longsword regardless of raw atk power. To match that damage of Estoc using a Longsword you will have to Imperil each and every mob which I believe no one is crazy enough to do that lol.

And yes, it is not difficult at all to increase your proc. chance if you're using Shade of Shadowdancer because:
-It gives a little boost to your crit. chance.
-It doesn't have any burden, so no crit. chance penalty.
-The Light armor ability (Light Crit.)gives a little boost to your crit. chance too.
*Note: A proc. will always occur on a critical hit.

Hope I'm right about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Thanks for the info before.
So now, is it a must for DW style to get Imperil? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

not really. it's basically the poor man's PA.
i personally didn't find it all that useful till level 300, but it definitely does speed things up if you don't use rapier in offhand. especially on PFUDOR. if you're strong enough to kill 5 giants with frenzied blows on whatever difficulty you play on then i wouldn't bother with it.

Regardless of any melee style, if you want to hit the hardest you will definitely need some kind of defense-reducing debuff like penetrated armor and imperil. An Estoc with 2x or 3x PA proc. (25% per stack, max stack is 3, so you get 75% defense reduction on mobs) will definitely deal more damage than Longsword regardless of raw atk power. To match that damage of Estoc using a Longsword you will have to Imperil each and every mob which I believe no one is crazy enough to do that lol.

And yes, it is not difficult at all to increase your proc. chance if you're using Shade of Shadowdancer because:
-It gives a little boost to your crit. chance.
-It doesn't have any burden, so no crit. chance penalty.
-The Light armor ability (Light Crit.)gives a little boost to your crit. chance too.
*Note: A proc. will always occur on a critical hit.

Hope I'm right about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Hmm, I had planned on going for a shadowdancer set at some point, I'm already using of fleet. So I guess I'll be relying on speed, evade, crit, in combination with Estocs armor piercing proc for the most damage?

So even on higher levels and PF, Estoc still beats on Longsword in overall damage? So a Berserker style that I'm going for is better suited to Estoc?

For Mages, what do they use their overdrive bar for? Spirit Surge and get reduction on spell casts, or focusing/defending or what else?

And I'm not even remotely close to being able to clear hellfest. Heck, at the moment, with my casting set, I'm struggling to get 500+ on normalfest. I'm not sure how people are able to do higher level fights for so many rounds. Is it really just having OP gear that's binded and IW'd to max?

I usually use my overcharge on spirit stance, though it's not a bad idea to have some overcharge just for the sake of unfortunate situation when both of your cure spells are on cooldown. Won't recommend focus as there are so many ways to replenish MP for mages.

Don't think about normalfest first, focus on leveling now! You're going to get drop penalty once you play more than 1000 rounds below hell per day. We have better abilities, so even with the same equips, we can still go further than you.

What I had originally planned was hitting hard while relying on evade and speed. I figured Longsword would be the best in terms of hitting the hardest, and that an Ethereal Longsword would take care of the burden issue.

Is Longsword really that inefficient at higher levels? I don't even really care about the procs, I figured that raw damage would be enough on its own.

If you're playing on normal difficulty, Longsword's bleeding is helpful. But on higher difficulty, use something that can reduce damage (stun) or something that can increase your damage (PA). Bleeding is calculated based on your damage output, so it's not so efficient at higher difficulty. Also, bleeding is triggered on monster's turn, so if you move faster, you're going to get less bleeding damage.

And yes, the damage output may look plausible, but you also have to consider the damage mitigation of monsters. Once you get to higher level, PA will give you some 2x/3x/4x damage as it breaks down opponent's mitigation (defense).

And you can always get other ethereal equips. Longsword isn't the only weapon with void damage.

Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter

I was thinking of purchasing this, the stats look pretty solid. 80k price tag.

Thoughts?

Damage is too low. You want like 77+ base damage. I just sold one a few days ago (exq eth slaughter) w/ like +200 damage (scaled) for less. Definitely don't take anything less than 70 base damage.

What I had originally planned was hitting hard while relying on evade and speed. I figured Longsword would be the best in terms of hitting the hardest, and that an Ethereal Longsword would take care of the burden issue.

Is Longsword really that inefficient at higher levels? I don't even really care about the procs, I figured that raw damage would be enough on its own.

it's not inefficient at higher levels, it's inefficient at higher difficulties.

1. If you're playing a difficulty in which you can wear full slaughter and never take an appreciable amount of damage, a good scythe/longsword will be fastest (unless you've got a really good niten set) probably up to Hell. Difficulty threshold might increase as you get higher level.

2. in those low difficulty runs, where almost everything dies in 4 turns or less, accuracy, stun and PA don't matter much. Serendipitous ticks of bleed will kill stuff off w/o you having to use another turn. In arenas for certain, where the first half of rounds are clumps of 4 or 5 mobs, high raw power + aoe damage kills fast.

FYI for me,
Hell: niten > scythe > estoc
Nintendo: niten > estoc > scythe,
BT: niten ~ estoc > don't bother w/ scythe on BT (don't really bother w/ niten either on BT),
IWBTH: Niten > estoc on IWBTH but you have to use Skyward Sword, and it's not that great for the beginning rounds of Arena since you need a certain # of mobs to maintain enough OC to use Skyward sword. Better off using spirit stance, but that's still slow for the super chaosed mobs. Great for IWs.

For up to Nintendo, my damage is high enough to just spirit stance through the whole thing. BT is a mash of spirit stance sometimes and skyward sword sometimes, so i avoid the hassle. Once my damage hits 8k, i'll give it another try.

i need to redo my estoc to try to get some more overpowers. the +7 overpowers on my niten set makes a lot less parries. Niten's 2 weapons gives you a lot of advantages. Nice thing about estoc though is the difficulty scaling stays relatively the same. W/ the others, chaosed mobs will all of the sudden become 4x harder to kill at certain difficulties.

Speed also works against bleed for low difficulty runs. You'd much rather just pour on the damage, and hope the proc takes off enough to avoid another turn.

This post has been edited by etothex: Apr 15 2014, 09:47

not really. it's basically the poor man's PA.
i personally didn't find it all that useful till level 300, but it definitely does speed things up if you don't use rapier in offhand. especially on PFUDOR. if you're strong enough to kill 5 giants with frenzied blows on whatever difficulty you play on then i wouldn't bother with it.

I see. o3o

And yes, the damage output may look plausible, but you also have to consider the damage mitigation of monsters. Once you get to higher level, PA will give you some 2x/3x/4x damage as it breaks down opponent's mitigation (defense).

Fancy, tasty, and no-mercy at its finest. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: Apr 15 2014, 09:26

hello there i have a few question

1. I currently interested in niten style, and decided to looking for a katana and waki. so any advice for the item stats? like if for katana I better go slaughter with some burden on it (except etheral) or balance who dont have any burden and PAB ? and what about the waki? and what armor I must use if using niten style? light?

2. for potency whats better for katana and waki? overpower, butcher, swift strike or the other one ( i kinda lazy to open wiki (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

3. and at what level we can clear IW with at least exquisite prefix weapon in IWBTH level? and what equipment we must use to clear it without any problem? 2H, 1H+shield
PS : sorry for my bad english (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

1. Hard to find good ethereal katana of slaughter. Easier to just find an elemental, but you probably aren't high enough level to deal w/ the mana issues. Generally advise people to wait til they're higher level for Niten, since it requires maintaining both DW & 2H proficiencies. With your low level, you'll be gaining so many levels quickly that your proficiencies will lag a lot (so damage suffers). I wouldn't bother w/ balance katana. Katanas have higher accuracy than other 2H weapons in general. But if it's all you can find/afford *shrug*. either armor style works, but power armor + feathers kills a lot faster.

2. I like fatality or butcher on katana,and fatality, overpower on waki. Fatality would be better once you've got like 60% crit, but it's nice to have the straight up damage for non-crits too. bleed damage is slightly better w/ butchers too.

3. Somewhere in the 200s, not too sure; too high level to answer the question (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). 1h + heavy + high block shield is the way to go for easy IWs.

Regardless of any melee style, if you want to hit the hardest you will definitely need some kind of defense-reducing debuff like penetrated armor and imperil. An Estoc with 2x or 3x PA proc. (25% per stack, max stack is 3, so you get 75% defense reduction on mobs) will definitely deal more damage than Longsword regardless of raw atk power. To match that damage of Estoc using a Longsword you will have to Imperil each and every mob which I believe no one is crazy enough to do that lol.

And yes, it is not difficult at all to increase your proc. chance if you're using Shade of Shadowdancer because:
-It gives a little boost to your crit. chance.
-It doesn't have any burden, so no crit. chance penalty.
-The Light armor ability (Light Crit.)gives a little boost to your crit. chance too.
*Note: A proc. will always occur on a critical hit.

Hope I'm right about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If you're playing on normal difficulty, Longsword's bleeding is helpful. But on higher difficulty, use something that can reduce damage (stun) or something that can increase your damage (PA). Bleeding is calculated based on your damage output, so it's not so efficient at higher difficulty. Also, bleeding is triggered on monster's turn, so if you move faster, you're going to get less bleeding damage.

And yes, the damage output may look plausible, but you also have to consider the damage mitigation of monsters. Once you get to higher level, PA will give you some 2x/3x/4x damage as it breaks down opponent's mitigation (defense).

And you can always get other ethereal equips. Longsword isn't the only weapon with void damage.

Damage is too low. You want like 77+ AD. I just sold one a few days ago (exq eth slaughter) w/ like +200 damage (scaled) for less. Definitely don't take anything less than 70 AD.
it's not inefficient at higher levels, it's inefficient at higher difficulties.

1. If you're playing a difficulty in which you can wear full slaughter and never take an appreciable amount of damage, a good scythe/longsword will be fastest (unless you've got a really good niten set) probably up to Hell. Difficulty threshold might increase as you get higher level.

2. in those low difficulty runs, where almost everything dies in 4 turns or less, accuracy, stun and PA don't matter much. Serendipitous ticks of bleed will kill stuff off w/o you having to use another turn. In arenas for certain, where the first half of rounds are clumps of 4 or 5 mobs, high raw power + aoe damage kills fast.

FYI for me, niten > scythe > estoc up to hell, niten > estoc > scythe on nintendo, niten ~ estoc > don't bother w/ scythe on BT (don't really bother w/ niten either on BT), and Niten > estoc on IWBTH but you have to use Skyward Sword. For Nintendo, my damage is high enough to just spirit stance through the whole thing. i need to redo my estoc to try to get some more overpowers. the +7 overpowers on my niten set makes a lot less parries. Nice thing about estoc is the difficulty scaling is the same. W/ the others, chaosed mobs will all of the sudden become 4x harder to kill at certain difficulties.

Speed also works against bleed for low difficulty runs. You'd much rather just pour on the damage, and hope the proc takes off enough to avoid another turn.

Sounds like Estoc's the weapon best suited to my berserker style. So I guess I'll save up for Shadowdancer gear, and a nice Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter.

Also, what does "AD" stand for? Attack Damage, Strength?

Thanks for the info before.
So now, is it a must for DW style to get Imperil? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Imperil is unnecessary if you have a rapier in either hand. Any rapier with 3x PA or higher will be as good as having Imperil.

Sounds like Estoc's the weapon best suited to my berserker style. So I guess I'll save up for Shadowdancer gear, and a nice Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter.

Also, what does "AD" stand for? Attack Damage, Strength?

Whether you wear Shadowdancer or Fleet, they are both Shade and as such you will get the full Light Armour bonus if you equip with a mixture of any Shade and/or any Leather armour. The only advantage of Shadowdancer over Fleet is that it has a small amount of crit chance which you will pay dearly for over Fleet. Frankly imo, it's still too early for you to be wearing Shade. A Mag/Leg set of protection Leather will keep you alive far better than any Shade set can, enabling you to fight harder and longer, albeit slower.

Berserker style, how do you define Berserker style? If it's maximum damage, DW with an Axe and a Rapier does more damage than any other HV melee style. 1H Heavy is in vogue now because it's safest even though it's slow compared to other style.

Finding a nice Ethereal Slaughter Estoc is like looking for a needle in a haystack but if you have the credits almost anything can be obtained in the WTS.

This post has been edited by zen_zen: Apr 15 2014, 10:22