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post Apr 8 2014, 21:46
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 8 2014, 14:29) *

WTF DW (non-club summore) + Power at high level? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Now that's badass. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I like to do stupid stuff everyone else laughs at. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(danixxx @ Apr 8 2014, 14:36) *

rapier+shield+shade looks like the best choice atm. Yeah that means changing all your stuff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) but shade would give you better defense than power of protection.


Everyone does shade, but I suppose if it'll let me PFUDOR DwD finally without constantly running outta potions then it's for me. Sides, I'll get 80-90% of the mats off my current equips back so the investment won't be unwieldy. Better clear your IW service schedule Dani. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So when I'm building a shade set should I worry more about evade or maybe concentrate on getting an elemental mitigation prefix mix?

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post Apr 8 2014, 21:53
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I've been investing in Adept Learner and have it at 51, should I keep going to 100, or branch off to scavenger? If so, how many points should I invest in before returning to Adept Learner? And which other of these should I train in?

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Finally, what's the best way to go about gaining specific types of equipment? I'd like a set of Shade armor of fleet, so should I save credits and search the games item store, or just keep doing grindfest and arena and hope for the best?
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post Apr 8 2014, 22:05
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 8 2014, 20:53) *

I've been investing in Adept Learner and have it at 51, should I keep going to 100, or branch off to scavenger? If so, how many points should I invest in before returning to Adept Learner? And which other of these should I train in?
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Finally, what's the best way to go about gaining specific types of equipment? I'd like a set of Shade armor of fleet, so should I save credits and search the games item store, or just keep doing grindfest and arena and hope for the best?

adept learner gives a nice ROI.
there isn't a best way, i suggest you to raise your difficulty level, try to arrive at Hell so the 1000+ round penalty will be kicked out (or at least at Nightmare so it would be way less effective), and only then you can start to hope (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

however, shops (even in free sections) may already have what you're searching for (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Apr 8 2014, 22:17
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 8 2014, 15:53) *

I've been investing in Adept Learner and have it at 51, should I keep going to 100, or branch off to scavenger? If so, how many points should I invest in before returning to Adept Learner? And which other of these should I train in?

(IMG:[i58.tinypic.com] http://i58.tinypic.com/23iaq6h.png)
Finally, what's the best way to go about gaining specific types of equipment? I'd like a set of Shade armor of fleet, so should I save credits and search the games item store, or just keep doing grindfest and arena and hope for the best?


One thing I've learned about this game, the higher & faster you level up, the more money you make.

So yes, train it as high as you can.
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post Apr 8 2014, 23:06
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QUOTE(dnbdave @ Apr 8 2014, 21:46) *

Better clear your IW service schedule Dani. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So when I'm building a shade set should I worry more about evade or maybe concentrate on getting an elemental mitigation prefix mix?


It's always clear unless people asks for some silly potencies (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Jenga is the shade expert but i guess adb, evade and agi are the main stats and holy res > dark res >>>> other res.
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post Apr 9 2014, 00:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 9 2014, 00:53) *

btw, how does dual shortsword work? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The last time I used dual shortswords I was wearing full Kevlar and playing 1st page Arenas on Nintendo/BT up to Endgame. Need to use Spirit Stance all the time to speed up the killing before the mob had the chance to use their skills. It was successful. Half of the time.
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post Apr 9 2014, 00:44
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QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 8 2014, 23:41) *

The last time I used dual shortswords I was wearing full Kevlar and playing 1st page Arenas on Nintendo/BT up to Endgame. Need to use Spirit Stance all the time to speed up the killing before the mob had the chance to use their skills. It was successful. Half of the time.

and then you took an arrow on your knee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 9 2014, 03:06
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QUOTE(darkx @ Apr 8 2014, 22:17) *

One thing I've learned about this game, the higher & faster you level up, the more money you make.

So yes, train it as high as you can.


Without even one level on scavenger, lotd and quartermaster that wouldnt be so much in his case.
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post Apr 9 2014, 04:00
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QUOTE(dnbdave @ Apr 9 2014, 05:46) *

Everyone does shade, but I suppose if it'll let me PFUDOR DwD finally without constantly running outta potions then it's for me. Sides, I'll get 80-90% of the mats off my current equips back so the investment won't be unwieldy. Better clear your IW service schedule Dani. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



Before you switch to shade, have you tried using featherweight charm and/or suffused aether. I need to use featherweight on 3 pieces to clear PFUDOR DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Apr 9 2014, 04:12
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Before you switch to shade, have you tried using featherweight charm and/or suffused aether. I need to use featherweight on 3 pieces to clear PFUDOR DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)


Oh sure, I cheat and shard/infuse the shit out of everything whenever I play. I'm usually high bidder on itembot for infusions and feathers. It's how I've done the dw/power combo for this long.

Hadn't tried aether shards tho... thought they were for mages only really, but if they'll buff some mana conservation then I'll try it out now.

EDIT: Thx for the free formatting earlier Sim. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 9 2014, 04:14
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 8 2014, 21:53) *

I've been investing in Adept Learner and have it at 51, should I keep going to 100, or branch off to scavenger? If so, how many points should I invest in before returning to Adept Learner? And which other of these should I train in?

(IMG:[i58.tinypic.com] http://i58.tinypic.com/23iaq6h.png)
Finally, what's the best way to go about gaining specific types of equipment? I'd like a set of Shade armor of fleet, so should I save credits and search the games item store, or just keep doing grindfest and arena and hope for the best?


imo, Lotd. also, you've a higher Adept Learner than i do. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 9 2014, 04:37
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Just switched from Power to Shade and this is the difference.

Shade: Attached Image

Power: Attached Image

Not sure which one to go with. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Apr 9 2014, 05:27
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 9 2014, 04:37) *

Not sure which one to go with. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


Then tested out, it isnt that hard to switch later on.
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post Apr 9 2014, 05:30
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 9 2014, 04:37) *

Just switched from Power to Shade and this is the difference.

Shade: Attached Image

Power: Attached Image

Not sure which one to go with. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


imo, if you're 2H then go with Shade. 1H then Power.

though, like Stulpen has said, the easiest way is to test it out. ie 50rounds each @ at highest possible difficulty.
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post Apr 9 2014, 05:37
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QUOTE(dnbdave @ Apr 9 2014, 12:12) *

Oh sure, I cheat and shard/infuse the shit out of everything whenever I play. I'm usually high bidder on itembot for infusions and feathers. It's how I've done the dw/power combo for this long.

Hadn't tried aether shards tho... thought they were for mages only really, but if they'll buff some mana conservation then I'll try it out now.

EDIT: Thx for the free formatting earlier Sim. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


DW/Power isn't as inefficient as others made it out to be. Teresa and Colman use it for their PFUDOR DwD run and they do perfectly fine. So you must be doing something wrong if you can't do it with that much forging >.> Say, how do you use your frenzied blow?

Rest assured, doing DwD with 1H + Shade is just going to be harder. The trick for DwD is to kill as fast as possible, not to last as long as possible. And 1H Shade is the worst when it comes to killing speed.
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post Apr 9 2014, 05:48
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I've got some trophies now:

Manbearpig Tail
Mithra's Flower x2
Lock of Blue Hair

Are they worth selling, or should I exchange them for equips, and if so which ones?

I should note I'm using a full shade/fleet set, along with 2H longsword.

Also, I think I should put Adept learner on pause and leave it at 51 for now, so now I'll invest in Quartermaster, LotD, and Scavenger.

Which one should I go with first, and how many points?

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post Apr 9 2014, 05:50
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 9 2014, 11:30) *

imo, if you're 2H then go with Shade. 1H then Power.

though, like Stulpen has said, the easiest way is to test it out. ie 50rounds each @ at highest possible difficulty.


Power set allows me to clear Nintendo Grindfest double the speed of Shade set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
And Shade set allows me to last way above 50 rounds where as I had to flee myself at 40th-ish round before I got butt-raped by mobs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Kay', Power set for RE / RoB and Shade set for Marathon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Now, I have some problems.

WHERE IS MY SILENCE SKILL~~~~??? -solved-
Well I found my answer when I was typing this post. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Needs 40 deprecating prof. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

And... The mana consumption for Heartseeker buff. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
130ish at my level... Without Mystic gem / Channeling bonus my mana burns away instantly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

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post Apr 9 2014, 07:06
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 9 2014, 12:50) *

And... The mana consumption for Heartseeker buff. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
130ish at my level... Without Mystic gem / Channeling bonus my mana burns away instantly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

The mana consumption is proportional to one's level.
But don't worry, as your level gets higher, you will get more MP pool and longer duration of Heartseeker for its high ability level and high supportive proficiency.

FYI I have 1850 MP now, and Heartseeker costs 602 MP (452 MP with spirit stance), and it lasts 382 turn (573 turn with channeling) on 1H Heavy.
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 9 2014, 05:50) *

Power set allows me to clear Nintendo Grindfest double the speed of Shade set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
And Shade set allows me to last way above 50 rounds where as I had to flee myself at 40th-ish round before I got butt-raped by mobs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


imo, try to lvl up as fast as possible. ie doing Random Encounters & arenas @ the highest possible difficult. also, keep stamina above 80, so you get that double exp. though, i would not buy/waste energy drink for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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And... The mana consumption for Heartseeker buff. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
130ish at my level... Without Mystic gem / Channeling bonus my mana burns away instantly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)


with 1H +power, i generally prefer Not to cast Heartseeker. so after casting protection/regen/SOL/etc, (maybe after some depreciating spell when my SP is low) i generally get Channeling & a "Free" Heartseeker. or at least, cast it on Spirit Stance to get that 25% mana discount.

QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 9 2014, 05:48) *

I've got some trophies now:

Manbearpig Tail
Mithra's Flower x2
Lock of Blue Hair

Are they worth selling, or should I exchange them for equips, and if so which ones?

I should note I'm using a full shade/fleet set, along with 2H longsword.

Also, I think I should put Adept learner on pause and leave it at 51 for now, so now I'll invest in Quartermaster, LotD, and Scavenger.

Which one should I go with first, and how many points?


imo, unless it's noodly (~55-60k) or sapling (~2-3k), i'll just shrine everything. you might get a bit more in selling them, but just a bit more & if you're lucky you might get something good.

also, LotD. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


edit: got a quick question about forging, does it stack? it said it'll increase 1% of its base, so does Physical damage stack with butcher & itself? ie 10lvs in Physical Damage means it's compounded on itself 10 times.

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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 8 2014, 19:15) *

edit: got a quick question about forging, does it stack? it said it'll increase 1% of its base, so does Physical damage stack with butcher & itself? ie 10lvs in Physical Damage means it's compounded on itself 10 times.



Each forge adds 1% to base, slightly more at first, for the first 25 and 50 respectively, then the returns decline exponentially. The max you can increase a stat through forging is about 75% for 100 bindings and 35% for 50 bindings.
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