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post Apr 8 2014, 04:48
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When you have Ethereal Weapons, what really differentiates the melee equip types is their procs - both your weapons come with Bleeding wound, the crappiest status effect amongst them. You'd better off finding an elemental/ethereal rapier and a club for your DW build. That's how I ended up overpaid for my ethereal rapier though...

Also, if you didn't knew already, spells costs about 25% less in Spirit Stance, so you should cast your support spells in that.

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post Apr 8 2014, 04:50
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Can you please put this in layman terms?
I'm still learning to do forum things cause i did not know about these forums until pretty recently, so i still need to learn some of these terms

Just translate SG

And also, what do you mean by upgrading?
I have decent equipment


using axe/shortsword is a bit redundant, not to mention your axe is useless. a slaughter club or rapier would serve you better at this point, but eventually you'll need club/rapier or axe/rapier to play on higher difficulties(assuming you stay with DW of course)

your armor is pretty ok and should last you for the next 70ish levels
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post Apr 8 2014, 04:55
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Starting playing a couple of days back - decided to be a mage since the warrior style seemed too 'easy'.

Noticed my elemental proficiency takes forever to increase - I'm using a near full elementalist set (mostly average-superior cotton stuff) for now, but it would be nice to have my elemental proficiency something better than ... 3.81 at lvl 32.

Its still early days for my character; but what are the best ways of increasing profs?

Also, I noticed I can reset individual abilities for free; is there any limit to this?

Edit: One last (or a couple of last) question. I pretty much gained all my exp doing Grindfests; would I be richer/stronger if I gained my exp solely from say, Arena? Is there such a thing as 'overlevelling' in HV?
I lucked into a precusor artifact and token of blood. Is it worth it exchanging the artifact to the shrine, and what level should I be to take on konata to be sure of winning?

(Thanks!)

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post Apr 8 2014, 05:14
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QUOTE(something @ Apr 8 2014, 12:50) *

using axe/shortsword is a bit redundant, not to mention your axe is useless. a slaughter club or rapier would serve you better at this point, but eventually you'll need club/rapier or axe/rapier to play on higher difficulties(assuming you stay with DW of course)

your armor is pretty ok and should last you for the next 70ish levels


Actually you don't really need rapier unless you're doing SG. Even on PFUDOR axes are still equal to rapier in term of clear speed in non-sg run

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post Apr 8 2014, 05:29
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 8 2014, 11:14) *

Actually you don't really need rapier unless you're doing SG. Even on PFUDOR axes are still equal to rapier in term of clear speed in non-sg run

You finally find it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 8 2014, 05:33
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QUOTE(bellyzard @ Apr 8 2014, 10:55) *
Starting playing a couple of days back - decided to be a mage since the warrior style seemed too 'easy'.

Noticed my elemental proficiency takes forever to increase - I'm using a near full elementalist set (mostly average-superior cotton stuff) for now, but it would be nice to have my elemental proficiency something better than ... 3.81 at lvl 32.

Its still early days for my character; but what are the best ways of increasing profs?

Also, I noticed I can reset individual abilities for free; is there any limit to this?
(Thanks!)
Why, i decided to try out dual wielding rapiers now.
Well, for raising proficiencies, there's a few things to note:
1. Level disparcity, your gains slows as your prof goes closer to your level, you can't gain prof higher than your level.
2. Mana cost - the higher your MP cost, the higher your chance of gaining proc on spells. Mind you, casting spells on heavy armor never worths it, prioritize quantity over probability.
3. Train Assimilator if you can, but more than LV4-5 it'll be more expense than it's worth.

QUOTE(bellyzard @ Apr 8 2014, 10:55) *
and what level should I be to take on konata to be sure of winning?
Lowest difficulty, use melee or aim at her weak point (wind) for mages. Either way, she took ten minutes to kill.

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post Apr 8 2014, 06:17
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 7 2014, 20:33) *

Why, i decided to try out dual wielding rapiers now.
Well, for raising proficiencies, there's a few things to note:
1. Level disparcity, your gains slows as your prof goes closer to your level, you can't gain prof higher than your level.
2. Mana cost - the higher your MP cost, the higher your chance of gaining proc on spells. Mind you, casting spells on heavy armor never worths it, prioritize quantity over probability.

Lowest difficulty, use melee or aim at her weak point (wind) for mages. Either way, she took ten minutes to kill.


Always do the Ring of Blood challenges on Normal the first time... then ignore them except for Noodly.

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 7 2014, 20:33) *

3. Train Assimilator if you can, but more than LV4-5 it'll be more expense than it's worth.


No! No, no, no! Bad!

Post in the "spam" threads here 1/day... post some comments on some galleries... Train Adept Learner... you'll be fine for bonus xp.

Don't bother with Assimilator. If you want to train skills, load up on mana potions and go into Grindfest... and then spam Weaken/ShadowVeil/etc.
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post Apr 8 2014, 06:41
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Apr 8 2014, 14:17) *

Always do the Ring of Blood challenges on Normal the first time... then ignore them except for Noodly.


I did TT&T PFUDOR on my first time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) though I was a bit overzealous with SoL and Silence (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


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Post in the "spam" threads here 1/day... post some comments on some galleries... Train Adept Learner... you'll be fine for bonus xp.


Seconded. Best way to grind prof is grinding exp (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Apr 8 2014, 06:56
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Apr 8 2014, 13:17) *

Post in the "spam" threads here 1/day... post some comments on some galleries... Train Adept Learner... you'll be fine for bonus xp.

Don't bother with Assimilator. If you want to train skills, load up on mana potions and go into Grindfest... and then spam Weaken/ShadowVeil/etc.

I'll second, too.
If you can afford, Thinking Cap (250 Hath) is another way to have quick level up.
Assimilator is not only useless, but also too expensive, especially for low level user.
When your level is 300+, each proficiency can be easily grinded from 0 to 200, that will only take a quarter of a day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
For example, I raised my proficiency of DW (from 35.48 to 272.11) and that of Light (from 10.47 to 336.13) to have a try with DW Light at 366 lvl. It only takes 4~5 hours. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Apr 8 2014, 07:25
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So in other words, rush my level up, and then worry about grinding stuff later on, since normal difficulty is still going to be really easy even "naked"?

Many thanks for all the advice!
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post Apr 8 2014, 07:41
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 8 2014, 12:56) *
QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 8 2014, 12:41) *
I did TT&T PFUDOR on my first time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) though I was a bit overzealous with SoL and Silence (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Seconded. Best way to grind prof is grinding exp (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I'll second, too.
If you can afford, Thinking Cap (250 Hath) is another way to have quick level up.
Assimilator is not only useless, but also too expensive, especially for low level user.
When your level is 300+, each proficiency can be easily grinded from 0 to 200, that will only take a quarter of a day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
For example, I raised my proficiency of DW (from 35.48 to 272.11) and that of Light (from 10.47 to 336.13) to have a try with DW Light at 366 lvl. It only takes 4~5 hours. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
I guess I should level the Adept Learner to LV250, but should I get the hath perk or max the Adept Learner first?
I guess I would be sticking to elemental mage setup for the time being.

Oh, and one more thing, to raise depreciating proc at lower-level, you can simply "hit-n-run" the grindfest and hit restore magic on main page. It full-heals MP pool in an instant, all for one lesser mana potion, if nothing else.

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post Apr 8 2014, 07:57
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 8 2014, 14:41) *

So I should level Adept Learner to LV250, but should I get the hath perk or max the Adept Learner first?
I guess I would be sticking to elemental mage setup for the time being.

I think The most efficient way is that get Thinking Cap after raising Adept Learner around 220~230 lv.

Adept Learner 220 -> 300 (cost about 3M, exp * 1.25)
Thinking Cap (cost about 2.275M (=250 Hath), exp * 1.25)

But the problem is that you should gather 250 Hath not using for anything else.

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Oh, and one more thing, to raise depreciating proc at lower-level, you can simply "hit-n-run" the grindfest and hit restore magic on main page. It full-heals MP pool in an instant, all for one lesser mana potion, if nothing else.

I recommend that entering to Item World with any crude equip on IWBTH, and spam the specific spell you want to raise, and use all the mana potions you can carry.
Potions are really cheap (almost free). So it's meaningless to save them.

Rough assumption: 1 entering (15 mana potion) = take 5~10 minutes = gain 5~10 proficiency (when lvl - prof > 100)

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post Apr 8 2014, 07:59
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 8 2014, 05:29) *

You finally find it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


so if your sheild is good enough, you don't need those "extra" parries from the Rapier, right?

so instead you gain a lot of Damage from the axe? though, do you guys use featherweight shards?
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post Apr 8 2014, 08:24
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so if your sheild is good enough, you don't need those "extra" parries from the Rapier, right?

so instead you gain a lot of Damage from the axe? though, do you guys use featherweight shards?


shortsword works fine too. A bit less damage than axe, but has parry.

I only use featherweight for DwD
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post Apr 8 2014, 08:45
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QUOTE(bellyzard @ Apr 8 2014, 04:55) *

Starting playing a couple of days back - decided to be a mage since the warrior style seemed too 'easy'.

Noticed my elemental proficiency takes forever to increase - I'm using a near full elementalist set (mostly average-superior cotton stuff) for now, but it would be nice to have my elemental proficiency something better than ... 3.81 at lvl 32.

Its still early days for my character; but what are the best ways of increasing profs?

Also, I noticed I can reset individual abilities for free; is there any limit to this?

Edit: One last (or a couple of last) question. I pretty much gained all my exp doing Grindfests; would I be richer/stronger if I gained my exp solely from say, Arena? Is there such a thing as 'overlevelling' in HV?
I lucked into a precusor artifact and token of blood. Is it worth it exchanging the artifact to the shrine, and what level should I be to take on konata to be sure of winning?

(Thanks!)

Welcome then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
There is no real way of overleveling in HV, there are some points when you start facing new monsters which may or may not be more troublesome than before. But for these occasions there is a difficulty slider.

Keep all Token of Blood you find and do the Ring of Blood you unlock by leveling on normal to get the one-time clear bonus, they will come in handy later on for repeatedly running Flying Spaghetti Monster (drops a Noodly to sell for 55k+).
An Artifact will either net you about 10-12k credits if sold at the WTB section, otherwise you can trade it in to have a chance at either:
2 Hath, 1 random Bonus stat point, 1000 crystals, 1 Energy Drink or an Elixir. (hope i didn't forget sth)

As you unlock more and more arenas you'll start doing less grindfests, it's mostly only in the beginning (and the very end) that you're running a lot of grindfests to gain exp. It currently takes me 3-4h a day to clear all arenas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

QUOTE(bellyzard @ Apr 8 2014, 07:25) *

So in other words, rush my level up, and then worry about grinding stuff later on, since normal difficulty is still going to be really easy even "naked"?

Many thanks for all the advice!

To be fair, i also found raising elemental prof a pita, because their mana cost ist rather low compared to other styles. 75 Levels of elemental maging gave me a little over 30 prof.

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post Apr 8 2014, 08:56
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QUOTE(simrock87 @ Apr 8 2014, 15:45) *

2 Hath, 1 random Bonus stat point, 1000 crystals, 1 Energy Drink or an Elixir. (hope i didn't forget sth)

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To be fair, i also found raising elemental prof a pita, because their mana cost ist rather low compared to other styles. 75 Levels of elemental maging gave me a little over 30 prof.

Giving you a tip, try to raise elemental prof with Heavy armor (plus Force Shield) to increase interference.
You can easily get the elmental prof like other one.
The hardest one is Staff proficiency, I think. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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The hardest one is Staff proficiency, I think. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Thought this would be rather easy, put on some Fleet Shade and start wailing away (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 8 2014, 09:26
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I really won't recommend grinding elemental proficiency....just like weapon prof, those should be done in-battle.

Staff proficiency isn't that hard if you choose to ether tap some monsters instead of running through the challenge.

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post Apr 8 2014, 09:29
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QUOTE(A Modest Espeon @ Apr 7 2014, 19:14) *

Can you please put this in layman terms?
I'm still learning to do forum things cause i did not know about these forums until pretty recently, so i still need to learn some of these terms

Just translate SG

And also, what do you mean by upgrading?
I have decent equipment

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Sorry, I was busy catching up on my reading...

SG rounds are the last 3 levels of the Arena which you have yet to level up enough to play, there you will be facing Suzumiya Haruhi's school mates. It's really boring and monotonous fighting them but at PFUDOR they are very tough and rewarding.

Your defensive gears are very good and affordable, like you I used Leather Armour to Lv225 or so before gradually migrating to Shade.

I cannot say the same for your weapons. That Vampire Axe lets you recover 105 points of HP every 6 turns or so, in return for giving up some 25~40% of ADB as compared to a Slaughter Axe of the same Exquisite Class. one single instance of triggering the Regen spell can recover many times the amount of HP recovered from that Vampire Axe.

Your Legendary Shortsword looks good but carrying two weapons that only slice and dice, you won't be able to challenge the 2nd page Arena at higher difficulties. You will need either Penetrating Armor (PA) and/or Stun to be able to do so.

You effectively have 1,000,000 credits on hand, with that you should be able to find max levelled Slaughter Axe/Balance Rapier or Slaughter Club/Balance Rapier combo that will take you well well beyond Lv300. Should you decide to start migrating to Shade, what you make playing HV at the highest level that you possibly can plus your daily Hath should be sufficient to make the gradual change to Shade one piece at a time, by Lv250 or so.


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post Apr 8 2014, 11:54
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