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Apr 7 2014, 02:59
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LostLogia4
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Well, I've noticed that "void mitigation" thingy for quite some time. but since only boss-grade monsters would ever have them I didn't pay much attention of it. but still, it'd be a pretty scary thought to run into a player-created monster with a Void attack...
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Apr 7 2014, 03:03
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 7 2014, 02:59)  Well, I've noticed that "void mitigation" thingy for quite some time. but since only boss-grade monsters would ever have them I didn't pay much attention of it. but still, it'd be a pretty scary thought to run into a player-created monster with a Void attack...
Boo 
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Apr 7 2014, 04:18
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LostLogia4
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Turns out, Celestial, Daimon, and Sprites have Void for full SP attack, okay. I'll watch out for that. Perhaps I should raise one to Power Level 400...
This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 7 2014, 04:18
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Apr 7 2014, 05:14
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GodHandZaWarudo
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Alright, so I'm about to make my first monster, is there anything I should know before I get started?
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Apr 7 2014, 05:25
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 7 2014, 11:14)  Alright, so I'm about to make my first monster, is there anything I should know before I get started? After Level 250, you can't delete or change your monster's name anymore. Also, Scavenger skill is by far the most useful upgrade of its worth for your Chaos Tokens. And most importantly, the required Crystals grows up really fast per upgrades, tier 20 or so needs thousands of thousands of crystals. And all this is hitting the surface. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 7 2014, 05:25
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Apr 7 2014, 05:35
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something
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 6 2014, 23:14)  Alright, so I'm about to make my first monster, is there anything I should know before I get started?
giants, dragonkins, arthropods, celestials, undeads. all other monsters are practically worthless This post has been edited by something: Apr 7 2014, 05:35
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Apr 7 2014, 05:38
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(something @ Apr 7 2014, 05:35)  all other monsters are practically worthless
didn't know this. thanks. i guess i should rename my humanoid with suicide squad names (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) also, iirc, scavenging & fortitude is important too.
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Apr 7 2014, 05:47
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LostLogia4
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And yet the highest-ranking monster I created is a Humanoid, fed with copious amount of Crystal of Corruptions. I'll try raising a high-ranking Celestial or two next, though I have to admit that still have long ways to go.
This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 7 2014, 05:50
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Apr 7 2014, 06:13
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GodHandZaWarudo
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 7 2014, 05:25)  After Level 250, you can't delete or change your monster's name anymore. Also, Scavenger skill is by far the most useful upgrade of its worth for your Chaos Tokens. And most importantly, the required Crystals grows up really fast per upgrades, tier 20 or so needs thousands of thousands of crystals. And all this is hitting the surface.
I think I'll focus exclusively on Scavenger for Chaos token upgrades and then branch off to others. As far as crystals, do I just feed it all types equally? And with stats, I've ready that it's more important to have the monster with a high powerlevel, so to boost INT and other stats equally, is this true?
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Apr 7 2014, 06:40
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something
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 7 2014, 00:13)  I think I'll focus exclusively on Scavenger for Chaos token upgrades and then branch off to others. As far as crystals, do I just feed it all types equally?
And with stats, I've ready that it's more important to have the monster with a high powerlevel, so to boost INT and other stats equally, is this true?
as far as importance of chaos upgrades go: scavenger>fortitude>swiftness>brutality>everything else is pretty standard. and some people completely ignore INT while upgrading but that's because they can buy/grind for enough crystal packs to do so. IIRC, you need about 15 packs(15k crystals each) to reach PL750(the level where it stops giving low grades as gifts) and 20 packs if you ignore INT. someone else can do the math on that one.
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Apr 7 2014, 06:43
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LostLogia4
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Nice info, well, I would've been better off if I know it from the start, but, oh, well.
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Apr 7 2014, 06:47
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(GodHandZaWarudo @ Apr 7 2014, 06:13)  I think I'll focus exclusively on Scavenger for Chaos token upgrades and then branch off to others. As far as crystals, do I just feed it all types equally?
And with stats, I've ready that it's more important to have the monster with a high powerlevel, so to boost INT and other stats equally, is this true?
imo, boost everything equally. given a fix budget. lvl everything equally makes the PL higher. ie +13 of a Primary Stat already cost 10,000crystals, & +14 is 15,551. which is 9PL increase. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) with the same amount of crystals, you can Boost ALL 6 Elemental mitigation from 25 to 26. 18PL increase (3x6) Higher PL = more likely to be in battle = more gifts. QUOTE(something @ Apr 7 2014, 06:40)  as far as importance of chaos upgrades go: scavenger>fortitude>swiftness>brutality>everything else is pretty standard.
and some people completely ignore INT while upgrading but that's because they can buy/grind for enough crystal packs to do so. IIRC, you need about 15 packs(15k crystals each) to reach PL750(the level where it stops giving low grades as gifts) and 20 packs if you ignore INT.
someone else can do the math on that one.
took that advice & my main guy is only bringing me MG stuff. still no bindings or HG mats. imo, sink that many credits when you don't play much &/or okay with a very slow/long payback period. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) This post has been edited by malkatmp: Apr 7 2014, 06:50
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Apr 7 2014, 07:00
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 7 2014, 12:47)  imo, boost everything equally. given a fix budget. lvl everything equally makes the PL higher. ie +13 of a Primary Stat already cost 10,000crystals, & +14 is 15,551. which is 9PL increase. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) with the same amount of crystals, you can Boost ALL 6 Elemental mitigation from 25 to 26. 18PL increase (3x6) Higher PL = more likely to be in battle = more gifts. took that advice & my main guy is only bringing me MG stuff. still no bindings or HG mats. imo, sink that many credits when you don't play much &/or okay with a very slow/long payback period. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I do not think there is much reason to buy crystal pack besides you want to train a PL1600+ monster . For healthy long term investment , you should only use your own crystal drop . You cannot tell when will 10B make the threshold of HG become PL1000+. I foresee it will come soon . As there are far too many HG than bindings in the market (and in my inventory ) This post has been edited by Colman: Apr 7 2014, 07:03
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Apr 7 2014, 07:07
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 7 2014, 07:00)  I do not think there is much reason to buy crystal pack besides you want to train a PL1600+ monster . For healthy long term investment , you should only use your own crystal drop . You cannot tell when will 10B make the threshold of HG become PL1000+.
using my own drops will take too long. also, it's a personally little experiment to see how long it'll take to recover my "investment". (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) after 2 wks the current number is 608.3 days with 0 HG mats & bindings. & MG = 200-300c, (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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Apr 7 2014, 07:16
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(something @ Apr 7 2014, 07:12)  my 2nd guy (PL 54) brought me 2 Binding of Cheetah in a week. & it has only 15 less battles won than my PL750 guy. so either i some how piss off 10B or HV is the biggest troll on the internet. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Apr 7 2014, 07:28
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something
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 7 2014, 01:16)  HV is the biggest troll on the internet. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) you're just figuring that out now? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) seriously though, so far my monster brought me 3 high grade leathers, a high grade metal, and a high grade cloth. it's not much but it's better than forever low grade shit. i guess at the end of the day it's a matter of luck + PL. This post has been edited by something: Apr 7 2014, 07:35
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Apr 7 2014, 07:36
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(something @ Apr 7 2014, 07:28)  you're just figuring that out now? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) seriously though, so far my monster brought me 3 high grade leathers, a high grade metal, and a high grade cloth. it's not much but it's better than forever low grade shit randomness. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) though, imo, we just have to be patient & in the long run, we'll come ahead.
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Apr 7 2014, 07:57
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kos9494
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New questions.
I was having fun rising my weapon and armor prof. in Hell difficulty and the next thing I found is that I'm over-leveled. .____.
Is it a good sign or should I stop leveling and grind all my proficiency instead?
And, what's the factors that affect gaining rate for weapon and armor proficiency?
Thanks for enlightening.
P.S. There are just too many posts to go through to find the answers myself so please forgive me. :'(
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Apr 7 2014, 08:04
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varst
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 7 2014, 13:57)  And, what's the factors that affect gaining rate for weapon and armor proficiency?
The difference between your level and your current prof. As the leveling speed slows down at around lv.300, it's kinda pointless to grind prof now....except deprecating prof, which you may need to grind a bit (for silence/imperil).
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