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wait....niten/power is actually viable? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) i thought it was just a joke between the rich kids

no, it's viable, but i wouldn't consider it an endgame... not that i ever tried it with power, tbh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I think it's good for below T&T, but still bad for marathons IMO.

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Mar 22 2014, 06:20

Niten/power is endgame melee if you want offense, 1H/shade is for full on defense.

Mage is fine with a fully forged staff, kill them before they kill you etc..

yes, I'm doing quite well with in high diff gfests with Niten/power Prot and Slaughter and 1H (force shield)/ Arcanist shade. The arcanist shade gives me low interference, and the high block of force shield protects me from lower evade. They work really well together.

wait....niten/power is actually viable? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) i thought it was just a joke between the rich kids

For arenas, IWs, and gfests.

I think it's good for below T&T, but still bad for marathons IMO.

Agreed.

I think it's good for below T&T, but still bad for marathons IMO.

At level 300+, pretty much anything can work with stuffs below T&T on PFUDOR, even unforged estoc + full power slaughter.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 22 2014, 07:05

Pillowgirl is a notorious troll (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Don't take him seriously

Niten could be viable if it has better OC regen so it can spam skyward sword. However, its OC flow sucks, so it'd be only decent for low difficulty run (though don't expect its clear speed to be amazing) . Without a consistent PA, it will be terrible in SG. And with its limited AOE, it's terrible for GF. To top all of this, it lacks defence, so it needs to be coupled with shade or plate to do PFUDOR. It's pretty much in the same position as 2H nowadays, except that 2H gives prof, while niten doesn't, so it's useless to low level as well.

If Niten used 2H and 1H prof, it would actually be pretty OP. 2H prof gives parry and 1H prof gives block + counter -> spamming skyward sword all day

1H/shade is a terrible mix. Evade and 1H really don't go well together, at all.

I don't know about Niten or 2H but so far from playing/training 1H Shade for about week, it's working out better than I would have imagined. I am playing RE in PFUDOR, IW in IWBTH - the same I as I was doing when I played DW. It's slower than DW, but also safer than DW as was generally predicted here in the forum.

Evade and 1H don't go well together, I don't know about that. As a test of the maintaining perpetual OC, I've just finished doing RE in PFUDOR (8 mid to high mob). After setting the usual buff/debuff, I start hammering away until maximum OC is reached. I set the Spirit Stance and apply FRD to the mob then hammer away at the mob until the finish. The OC after the application of FRD in Spirit Stance is 140/250, the OC at the conclusion of the battle stood at 130/250. I used up 10 OC in about 20 turns of hammering away while in Spirit Stance. It's just 1 RE but it's been fairly consistent from my limited playing of 1H Shade.

I don't know about Niten or 2H but so far from playing/training 1H Shade for about week, it's working out better than I would have imagined. I am playing RE in PFUDOR, IW in IWBTH - the same I as I was doing when I played DW. It's slower than DW, but also safer than DW as was generally predicted here in the forum.

Evade and 1H don't go well together, I don't know about that. As a test of the maintaining perpetual OC, I've just finished doing RE in PFUDOR (8 mid to high mob). After setting the usual buff/debuff, I start hammering away until maximum OC is reached. I set the Spirit Stance and apply FRD to the mob then hammer away at the mob until the finish. The OC after the application of FRD in Spirit Stance is 140/250, the OC at the conclusion of the battle stood at 130/250. I used up 10 OC in about 20 turns of hammering away while in Spirit Stance. It's just 1 RE but it's been fairly consistent from my limited playing of 1H Shade.

i've started out with 1H+shade, but later switched to non-slaughter power gear.

imo, 1H+shade is good, but power gear is better because more damage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i've started out with 1H+shade, but later switched to non-slaughter power gear.

imo, 1H+shade is good, but power gear is better because more damage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I once thought 1H Shade was great since it added extra layers of evade and resist, but that was before I'd put a good Power Slaughter set together. Much faster killing speed trumps a bit of extra safety any day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I don't know about Niten or 2H but so far from playing/training 1H Shade for about week, it's working out better than I would have imagined. I am playing RE in PFUDOR, IW in IWBTH - the same I as I was doing when I played DW. It's slower than DW, but also safer than DW as was generally predicted here in the forum.

Evade and 1H don't go well together, I don't know about that. As a test of the maintaining perpetual OC, I've just finished doing RE in PFUDOR (8 mid to high mob). After setting the usual buff/debuff, I start hammering away until maximum OC is reached. I set the Spirit Stance and apply FRD to the mob then hammer away at the mob until the finish. The OC after the application of FRD in Spirit Stance is 140/250, the OC at the conclusion of the battle stood at 130/250. I used up 10 OC in about 20 turns of hammering away while in Spirit Stance. It's just 1 RE but it's been fairly consistent from my limited playing of 1H Shade.

The problem with 1H shade is that 1H power (even power protection/warding) would always do the job better. For once, they kill much faster, and pmi/mmi synergise with 1H better than evade. It's like with 2H/DW + full slaughter, they're playable on easy stuffs (FYI, PFUDOR RE and IWBTH IW are easy for 300+) but not good for harder stuffs (like PFUDOR IW, PFUDOR SG, and GF)

Last time I did SG with 1H+shade, it performs about as well as DW+power slaughter, (round 120 on PFUDOR ED before running out of pots), whereas 1H-power slaughter can easily clear it (they all happened before I forged anything). The reasons are different though, the former kills too slow, and the latter is too squishy.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 22 2014, 08:03

The problem with 1H shade is that 1H power (even power protection/warding) would always do the job better. For once, they kill much faster, and pmi/mmi synergise with 1H better than evade. It's like with 2H/DW + full slaughter, they're playable on easy stuffs (FYI, PFUDOR RE and IWBTH IW are easy for 300+) but not good for harder stuffs (like PFUDOR IW, PFUDOR SG, and GF)

Last time I did SG with 1H+shade, it performs about as well as DW+power slaughter, (round 120 on PFUDOR ED before running out of pots), whereas 1H-power slaughter can easily clear it (they all happened before I forged anything). The reasons are different though, the former kills too slow, and the latter is too squishy.

I am still in the process of putting together a Power set but in the meantime I am trying bring the 1H prof up to my level or so (125 at the moment). In order for me to play 1H Heavy I need to put away the Light set (I do not have enough AP or the Mastery points to equip both), which I am not prepared to do at this point.

I don't think my 1H prof is high enough to face SG on PFUDOR but I've done IW on PFUDOR, but where's the point in doing that? If doing it in PFUDOR meant doing less number of runs, I would have done so as soon as I am able to but all things being equal, I'd rather err on the side of cautious success over extra points. Besides, my LotD being what it is, upping the difficulty won't make one bit of difference in the quality of bazaar fodders that I get. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

At level 300+, pretty much anything can work with stuffs below T&T on PFUDOR, even unforged estoc + full power slaughter.

Well... actually, every weapon style works well below T&T on PFUDOR at high enough level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I think it's just personal taste unless GF or marathons.
Sometimes I play as battle mage (Hallowed Rapier of Battlecaster + Force Shield + Phase Heimdall) below T&T on PFUDOR.
Slow, but really fun. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Mar 22 2014, 08:28

Well... actually, every weapon style works well below T&T on PFUDOR at high enough level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I think it's just personal taste unless GF or marathons.
Sometimes I play as battle mage (Hallowed Rapier of Battlecaster + Force Shield + Phase Heimdall) below T&T on PFUDOR.
Slow, but really fun. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Not that slow in fact. The speed is almost the same as 1H heavy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But once the MP run out.......
So I am using club for that reason.

I'm curious, has any mage attempted PFUDOR SG? Is it even possible for mages?

you guys should start hyping up Estoc/Longsword + Leather/Plate. imo, it's a fun cheap easy build. seriously, you can get a good Mag lv Leather/Plate for the price of an okay Exquisite Power/Shade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Why Estoc/Longsword over Mace?

Does anyone else 2H Mace + heavy?

wait....niten/power is actually viable? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) i thought it was just a joke between the rich kids

It's always viable; IIRC the most important thing is to control the amount of OC. You also get parry from waki and more damage output so it's not that bad.
It may not be efficient in every cases, but it can be efficient in some cases

I'm curious, has any mage attempted PFUDOR SG? Is it even possible for mages?

Um...why it isn't possible? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I mean, you can get infinite mana from ether tap/ether theft, and you can always bring in tons of SP potions so...

Why Estoc/Longsword over Mace?

Does anyone else 2H Mace + heavy?

Mace's good till everything got tons of mitigation. Longsword....bleeding's weak after that change to how damage's calculated.

Estoc seems to be a better choice with PA, also niten's skill. But niten requires proficiency in both 2H and DW which may not be viable to everyone.

Why Estoc/Longsword over Mace?

Mace can stun so it's pretty safe, but lack damage. Estoc/Longsword has the damage + Piercing/Bleeding = more damage. so if you go with plate/leather for "safety", it's actually, an okay setup. iirc, Estoc +power slaughter used to be pretty good.

I'm curious, has any mage attempted PFUDOR SG? Is it even possible for mages?

That's the only sane way to do it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Mace can stun so it's pretty safe, but lack damage. Estoc/Longsword has the damage + Piercing/Bleeding = more damage. so if you go with plate/leather for "safety", it's actually, an okay setup. iirc, Estoc +power slaughter used to be pretty good.

I'm running a mix of Superior plate/prot and power/slaughter along with this mace

@danixxx,

Congratulations on reaching Lv500! What comes next?

Um...why it isn't possible? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I mean, you can get infinite mana from ether tap/ether theft, and you can always bring in tons of SP potions so...

Cos you guys always stress about mana conservation, so I assume that mana would be a big problem in SG (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

That's the only sane way to do it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You're doing it with Wind or Holy? Did you have to forge your armor to do DwD, or just a forged staff is enough?

This is my status
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What do I need to make my character stronger? It is so hard to fight in IWTBH or PRU mode (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I m using an ethereal mace and shade armor.
Should I have to change fighting style?

This post has been edited by Fuu: Mar 22 2014, 09:59

I'm running a mix of Superior plate/prot and power/slaughter along with this mace

it's a good mace, but imo, i find mace very safe, but slow. ethereal is great, but i'd rather hv more damge & PAB. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

ie. this

This is my status
What do I need to make my character stronger? It is so hard to fight in IWTBH or PRU mode (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I m using an ethereal mace and shade armor.

more HP, more item slots?

also, it might be useful to link your items.

This post has been edited by malkatmp: Mar 22 2014, 09:58