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post Mar 20 2014, 21:12
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QUOTE(Nerzzzzz @ Mar 20 2014, 20:04) *

This made me curious myself, so I went and clicked a random page in the wiki history

http://ehwiki.org/index.php?title=Equipmen...id=3006#Element

I guess they just spawned with Bronze, Iron, etc. depending on your level and 'plain' ones didn't exist
What are your current stats/equipment? fighting style? Did you learn abilities that increase survivability?

interesting enough, many thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Kanery @ Mar 20 2014, 19:57) *

What are the steps taken to start running the higher difficulties? If I go any past Nightmare I occasionally just get sweeped out in a single turn, even with all of my buffs on.

one main cause could be non-adequate equip, as pointed by nerzzz(5 or 6 z, didn't count them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
also, it may sound as i'm mocking you, but have you properly slotted the abilities HP Tank/Armor HP?

[edit]: yeh, abilities slotted

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post Mar 20 2014, 21:16
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 20 2014, 15:02) *

Spark of Life and Spirit Shield on?


I've gotten in the habit of turning them both on, but eventually Spark of Life tends to just proc way too many times and I run out of spirit.

QUOTE(Nerzzzzz @ Mar 20 2014, 15:04) *

What are your current stats/equipment? fighting style? Did you learn abilities that increase survivability?

If you're getting wrecked in one turn by non-pfudor enemies with your buffs, then I think you might need to get better equipments. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=19d705e4bc
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab64d06b84
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c76ff42ebc
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d65fa3ce81
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b59286c57f
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b59286c57f
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=282db52835

I haven't really spent a lot of time looking for equipment, the good majority of the pieces are ones that I just found.
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post Mar 20 2014, 21:21
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equip is quite good i'd say, i'm almost envious of your breastplate (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
they seem good overall stat, except for all those unassigned EXP points...

[edit]: on a second view, END is low for a melee... base value should be about as much as STR, maybe a bit more. also you can leave INT at this point for other 20 or so levels

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post Mar 20 2014, 21:44
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i think im just missing something in my playstyle, either i'm not attentive enough or i'm not debuffing/casting properly
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post Mar 20 2014, 22:21
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QUOTE(Kanery @ Mar 20 2014, 15:16) *



lower INT to 150 and put all those points into your other stats(except wisdom). you'll lose a few SP, but you'll gain more offense and defense.
if you plan on keeping your axe for a long time, save up some money and have someone IW it; same deal for your rapier(although that would be kind of a waste imo). you'll kill enemies way before they have time to one shot you.



EDIT: a question to about forging because i didn't feel like double posting

i remember someone(lement?) saying that it's cheaper for 1H to up it's attack power by going full slaughter than it is to forge the adb on their weapon. can the same be said about DW crit chance by going full shadowdancer vs forging the crit on this rapier?

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post Mar 20 2014, 23:56
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QUOTE(Kanery @ Mar 20 2014, 12:44) *

i think im just missing something in my playstyle, either i'm not attentive enough or i'm not debuffing/casting properly


I don't think either of your weapons are good enough for the long haul. Using so many gear that consist of 2 or 3 pab detracts from your overall build. The only time I would consider a 2 pab gear is if it's principal attribute (Slaughter Axe - ADB) was exceptionally high but your axe do not belong to that category. Your rapier isn't all that nimble, imo. It's surprising to see a Nimble rapier whose Parry number is lower then it's Accuracy. The ADB on the rapier is good but not really relevant to an offhand weapon. A Balance Rapier with Accuracy near Smax will greatly improve your offhand strike chance.
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post Mar 21 2014, 00:18
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QUOTE(Kanery @ Mar 20 2014, 20:44) *

i think im just missing something in my playstyle, either i'm not attentive enough or i'm not debuffing/casting properly


Shadow veil can be useful in your case, since you already have a good evade you'll take less hits. Also yeah, as Scremaz said, your END is a little low.

If you're not dead set on using an axe on your main hand, you could try a club and go for the stunned effect...

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post Mar 21 2014, 00:36
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QUOTE(something @ Mar 20 2014, 13:21) *


i remember someone(lement?) saying that it's cheaper for 1H to up it's attack power by going full slaughter than it is to forge the adb on their weapon. can the same be said about DW crit chance by going full shadowdancer vs forging the crit on this rapier?


Your Rapier's base crit chance is 8.93. If you could find 5 Shadowdancers whose base crit is Smax or higher (2.61+), your crit chance from the Shades would be 13.05+. What did it cost in terms of mats to get Lv1 of Physical Hit Chance, 5 HG metal and 1 Isaac? What was the base number before applying the forge? Just looking at numbers here, it looks like getting 5 Shadowdancers might be cheaper than forging that rapier.
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post Mar 21 2014, 01:07
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 20 2014, 18:36) *

Your Rapier's base crit chance is 8.93. If you could find 5 Shadowdancers whose base crit is Smax or higher (2.61+), your crit chance from the Shades would be 13.05+. What did it cost in terms of mats to get Lv1 of Physical Hit Chance, 5 HG metal and 1 Isaac? What was the base number before applying the forge? Just looking at numbers here, it looks like getting 5 Shadowdancers might be cheaper than forging that rapier.


i did the math and based on the amount of mats it took to forge my parry and info from the forging thread, it'll cost me ~200 HG metals, a handful of mid grades, and 50 issacs to max out it's crit(~2.6M total) and it'll bring the base to 12.13(a net gain of 3.2). people tend to go nuts over shadowdancer though so i wasn't sure if i'd be better off forging my rapier vs buying good shadowdancer peices.

my base accuracy was 38.83 i think. trying to go for the 100% offhand thing which should take 20 forges.

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post Mar 21 2014, 01:29
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QUOTE(something @ Mar 20 2014, 16:07) *

i did the math and based on the amount of mats it took to forge my parry and info from the forging thread, it'll cost me ~200 HG metals, a handful of mid grades, and 50 issacs to max out it's crit(~2.6M total) and it'll bring the base to 12.13(a net gain of 3.2). people tend to go nuts over shadowdancer though so i wasn't sure if i'd be better off forging my rapier vs buying good shadowdancer peices.

my base accuracy was 38.83 i think. trying to go for the 100% offhand thing which should take 20 forges.


For 2.6M credits is sure to buy you that much and more crit chance by going with Shadowdancers route. Some top end Exquisites will get you Smax crit chance and they are fairly reasonable, that's if you can find enough of them for sale. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 21 2014, 04:50
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while we're on this topic, how do you decide if you should start forging? or just buy a new weapon?

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post Mar 21 2014, 05:59
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 21 2014, 11:50) *

while we're on this topic, how do you decide if you should start forging? or just buy a new weapon?

Just simple.
When you have already "decent" equips (+trainings and some useful Hath perks) and you want faster (or more stable) clear.
The criteria for "decent" depends on each person, of course.
For example, someone would say mmax is enough, and other one would want definitely near lmax for equips.

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post Mar 21 2014, 09:21
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No I don't exaggerate. Just this week I already got 3 leg (2 power and 1 club), and iirc, 3 leg (2 leather and 1 staff) last week. I can't be bothered to keep count of my mag drop anymore.

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post Mar 21 2014, 09:28
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Hey guys, new to hentaiverse here.

Just wanna ask, build wise, i'm kinda interested in mages or niten ichiryu (which i'm aware that i need to grind DW and 2H)

Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of each build at 300+ lv end game?
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post Mar 21 2014, 09:36
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Some things i wanna ask based on stuff i read from previous posts

QUOTE(something @ Mar 21 2014, 04:21) *

i remember someone(lement?) saying that it's cheaper for 1H to up it's attack power by going full slaughter than it is to forge the adb on their weapon. can the same be said about DW crit chance by going full shadowdancer vs forging the crit on this rapier?


What is ADB? If i'm right in my guess, it should be Attack Damage Base?

QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 21 2014, 06:36) *

Your Rapier's base crit chance is 8.93. If you could find 5 Shadowdancers whose base crit is Smax or higher (2.61+), your crit chance from the Shades would be 13.05+. What did it cost in terms of mats to get Lv1 of Physical Hit Chance, 5 HG metal and 1 Isaac? What was the base number before applying the forge? Just looking at numbers here, it looks like getting 5 Shadowdancers might be cheaper than forging that rapier.


And what is Smax? How do i know if a stat is Smax?
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post Mar 21 2014, 09:46
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QUOTE(Xurilden @ Mar 21 2014, 11:28) *

Hey guys, new to hentaiverse here.

Just wanna ask, build wise, i'm kinda interested in mages or niten ichiryu (which i'm aware that i need to grind DW and 2H)

Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of each build at 300+ lv end game?

pros:
ninten: none
mage: death machine

cons:
ninten: dies if poked much, weapons have no usefull procs
mage: dies if poked
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QUOTE(Xurilden @ Mar 21 2014, 00:36) *

Some things i wanna ask based on stuff i read from previous posts
What is ADB? If i'm right in my guess, it should be Attack Damage Base?
And what is Smax? How do i know if a stat is Smax?


http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges#Rapier

Smax - Superior Maximum

If you look at the equipment range chart for rapiers above, you'll see the derived Minimum and Maximum numbers for various attributes for an equipment. By comparing the base numbers of any given equipment to the chart, you can gauge the what it might be worth or how potent it might be in your battles.
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post Mar 21 2014, 09:50
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QUOTE(kserox @ Mar 21 2014, 00:21) *


And then your luck runs out and you go weeks without finding anything remotely nice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(Xurilden @ Mar 21 2014, 00:28) *

Hey guys, new to hentaiverse here.

Just wanna ask, build wise, i'm kinda interested in mages or niten ichiryu (which i'm aware that i need to grind DW and 2H)

Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of each build at 300+ lv end game?


I can't speak for Ninten, but historically it was a gimmicky fighting style that wasn't taken very seriously.

Mages are basically glass cannons. They can clear rounds very quickly but they are fragile.

QUOTE(Xurilden @ Mar 21 2014, 00:36) *

Some things i wanna ask based on stuff i read from previous posts
What is ADB? If i'm right in my guess, it should be Attack Damage Base?
And what is Smax? How do i know if a stat is Smax?


ADB stands for Attack Damage Base, but sometimes people use it to refer to the physical damage on a weapon.

SMAX stands for Superior Max; MMAX for Magnificent Max; LMAX for Legendary Max, and so on. These are just terms that players like to use to describe base stats.

If someone says that their magnificent phase robe has 14.46 base EDB, that doesn't mean much. But if they said that their phase robe has MMAX base EDB, then it's easy to understand that their magnificent robe has the highest base EDB possible for magnificent-quality robes.

Hover your mouse cursor over a piece of equipment and press "C" on the keyboard to create an equipment pop-up. Then take your cursor and hover it over the various stats to get tool-tips with their base values. Compare them to the data here: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges

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QUOTE(Xurilden @ Mar 21 2014, 09:36) *

Some things i wanna ask based on stuff i read from previous posts
What is ADB? If i'm right in my guess, it should be Attack Damage Base?


yes.

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And what is Smax? How do i know if a stat is Smax?


you can go to the wiki and there'll be equipment ranges. it'll tell you the Superior Max stat (SMax) or Exquisite Max (EMax) etc. you'll just need to hoover your mouse on the equipment, press C & a equipment stat window will pop open in your browser. then if you hoover you mouse on different stats, it'll tell you the base stat #.

as for lv300, it's a long long way for you. something great now might not be great when you're lv300.
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