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post Mar 18 2014, 00:00
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Higher difficulty give a little bonus on the drops but also more credits, and that's what you should aim for. (since it will allow you to buy some better gears) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
For a heavy melee, you should not invest too much exp points in intelligence since it's pretty much useless. As for the two handed, I'd say it would be good with leather of protection since 2H is pretty slow. Also I don't know who was talking about it but it seems that 2H+power armor isn't really efficient... (something like losing speed because of the weapon)

For training, getting adept learner at 100/300 should be good, it won't be too difficult since it's rather cheap...

Also, don't worry about your credits, I have even less than that T_T

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post Mar 18 2014, 00:21
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QUOTE(boulay @ Mar 17 2014, 23:00) *

Higher difficulty give a little bonus on the drops but also more credits, and that's what you should aim for. (since it will allow you to buy some better gears) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
For a heavy melee, you should not invest too much exp points in intelligence since it's pretty much useless. As for the two handed, I'd say it would be good with leather of protection since 2H is pretty slow. Also I don't know who was talking about it but it seems that 2H+power armor isn't really efficient... (something like losing speed because of the weapon)

For training, getting adept learner at 100/300 should be good, it won't be too difficult since it's rather cheap...

Also, don't worry about your credits, I have even less than that T_T

look better bro, he has an ethereal mace, so no speed lost. still don't know why it shouldn't work though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

as for intelligence, it will become useful later when you'll need more (cheap!) SP points for spirit stance and spirit shield, but for now is actually useless as the poster-girls lover above said.

and finally, playing at higher difficulties may not augment your quality drop roll so much, but surely playing at lower ones drastically reduce the overall quantity drop roll, so every now and then play at least at hard or nightmare to return to a decent chance
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post Mar 18 2014, 00:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 17 2014, 23:21) *

look better bro, he has an ethereal mace, so no speed lost. still don't know why it shouldn't work though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Ahhh, didn't see it. Then forget it ^^

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as for intelligence, it will become useful later when you'll need more (cheap!) SP points for spirit stance and spirit shield, but for now is actually useless as the poster-girls lover above said

Talking about me? I wonder who was the one who begged me to have some in my shop... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Mar 18 2014, 00:26
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QUOTE(HellTemplar @ Mar 18 2014, 02:30) *
The last picture was training skill (is training quartermaster that time). As you guys can see i'm quite the pisspoor and quite low on creds. I am totally suck with trading and hell if i wanna bother with it, especially when i still need to get the better equips. Although i was quite lucky couple of times when i got plenty of artifacts, and i decided to use it all for myself. Now how should i get richer, or get at least to the point where i can farm good stuff? So far im only getting kinda-low-quality-and-not-so-Superiors, and in a not too often manners as well. I already spent plenty of credits training those skills for more loots, but am i doing it wrong?

When I was starting out I did nothing but train Adept Learner - the reasoning being that everyone should rush to level 200 as fast as they can so FSM is available in the Ring of Blood. Its trophy goes for 55K-60K in WTB and as such will be one of your main sources of income for as long as you continue to play HV. Personally I took Adept Learner to 120/300 before moving on to the drop-related skills.
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post Mar 18 2014, 00:42
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QUOTE(boulay @ Mar 17 2014, 23:26) *

Talking about me? I wonder who was the one who begged me to have some in my shop... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i didn't beg, i encouraged you, it's really different (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

btw, i didn't know mizuru (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 00:53
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Mikuru (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You will want to check a manga called "Zero In" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Mar 18 2014, 01:09
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QUOTE(boulay @ Mar 17 2014, 23:53) *

Mikuru (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You will want to check a manga called "Zero In" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

you, tempter! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 01:14
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for 1h weapon, does Attack Accuracy better than Counter-Parry or Crit chance?
diff between the 2 weapon.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab80f46248
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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a1f91adfb4
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post Mar 18 2014, 01:46
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QUOTE(afire1 @ Mar 18 2014, 08:14) *

for 1h weapon, does Attack Accuracy better than Counter-Parry or Crit chance?
diff between the 2 weapon.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab80f46248
or
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a1f91adfb4


i guess depends on what style you play.. which is what exactly?
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post Mar 18 2014, 01:51
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1h and dw. higher diff nintendo and above 1h.
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post Mar 18 2014, 01:54
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QUOTE(afire1 @ Mar 18 2014, 08:51) *

1h and dw. higher diff nintendo and above 1h.


What is your other weapon for DW?

I would use slaughter for 1H and DW. for offhand weapon for DW, use rapier of balance.

edit: of course, this could change if Tenboro adds options for different weapon styles in a future patch.

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post Mar 18 2014, 01:59
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Mar 18 2014, 00:54) *

What is your other weapon for DW?

I would use slaughter for 1H and DW. for offhand weapon for DW, use rapier of balance.

edit: of course, this could change if Tenboro adds options for different weapon styles in a future patch.

would rapier of nimble also viable? the lack in offhand accuracy (and thus offhand strike) would reflect also in parry or are they two independent things?
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post Mar 18 2014, 02:01
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both balance.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab80f46248
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e162424872
try using slaughter and other, i do miss a lot. using both of them my hit chance is 155%
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post Mar 18 2014, 02:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 18 2014, 05:21) *

and finally, playing at higher difficulties may not augment your quality drop roll so much, but surely playing at lower ones drastically reduce the overall quantity drop roll, so every now and then play at least at hard or nightmare to return to a decent chance



QUOTE(caiax @ Mar 18 2014, 05:26) *

When I was starting out I did nothing but train Adept Learner - the reasoning being that everyone should rush to level 200 as fast as they can so FSM is available in the Ring of Blood. Its trophy goes for 55K-60K in WTB and as such will be one of your main sources of income for as long as you continue to play HV. Personally I took Adept Learner to 120/300 before moving on to the drop-related skills.


Well that clears my mind regarding random loot thingy. Gonna get them adept learner right now!

Also with the current gear, i just cleared the first page of arena on nightmare except the last one (endgame) and the first one on page 2. I usually opt around hard difficulty for clearing all arena, then sometimes go to the item world on normal to upgrade my current ethereal (Lv 5 right now) slowly. I sometimes changed the diff to hell/nightmare as well on random encounters, which i miss often lol.
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post Mar 18 2014, 02:05
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 18 2014, 08:59) *

would rapier of nimble also viable? the lack in offhand accuracy (and thus offhand strike) would reflect also in parry or are they two independent things?


I think rapier of anything is ok. Try to find something with long proc chance and duration. you can always boost acc with voidseeker shard. they are independent; I'm pretty sure.

QUOTE(afire1 @ Mar 18 2014, 09:01) *

both balance.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab80f46248
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e162424872
try using slaughter and other, i do miss a lot. using both of them my hit chance is 155%


if you don't have Penetrating Armor (PA) via rapier, you won't kill very fast. Shortswords are useless. as are club of balances in mainhand. Though I guess you could have Rapier of Slaughter mainhand and Club of Balance offhand. But for almost every melee (at high difficulties), you need to have PA. NIten has skyward sword which gives PA for a bit of time.

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post Mar 18 2014, 02:10
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QUOTE(afire1 @ Mar 18 2014, 01:01) *

both balance.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab80f46248
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e162424872
try using slaughter and other, i do miss a lot. using both of them my hit chance is 155%

i have less or more the same chance (150%) with a balance rapier (29.3%) and a shitty slaughter club (8.2%) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
are you sure you have good enough armor? and also slotted the ability? combined (DW accuracy/light armor accuracy) they are worthy about 20% more accuracy

QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Mar 18 2014, 01:05) *

I think rapier of anything is ok. Try to find something with long proc chance and duration. they are independent; I'm pretty sure.

not so easy task nowadays but good to know they are independent; next step will be to see if losing some offhand strike/accuracy to gain parry is worthy enough...
[edit]: offhand accuracy doesn't add to the total, so it seems it's useful only for offhand strike... nimble, where are you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Mar 18 2014, 01:05) *

Though I guess you could have Rapier of Slaughter mainhand and Club of Balance offhand. But for almost every melee (at high difficulties), you need to have PA.

sure, but clubs does more damage than rapiers, he would lose in terms of attack; and afterall, a stunned mob can be PAed, but a PAed mob not always can be stunned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Mar 18 2014, 02:53
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about offhand nimble weapons in general:

they're totally viable, but you need tons of parry and a bit of forging. i honestly didn't see much of a difference defensively till i hit 60% parry. having SS 5 if you're using a rapier doesn't hurt either.
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:12
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So how badly would the parry roll on this rapier hurt me for dual wield? Tried upping the parry chance level and it raised it by like .2%. Is it worth trying to forge it?
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:23
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Mar 17 2014, 20:05) *

if you don't have Penetrating Armor (PA) via rapier, you won't kill very fast. Shortswords are useless. as are club of balances in mainhand. Though I guess you could have Rapier of Slaughter mainhand and Club of Balance offhand. But for almost every melee (at high difficulties), you need to have PA. NIten has skyward sword which gives PA for a bit of time.


Last time I seriously tried different DW weapon combos out I remember getting pwned when dropping rapier for two axes checking out "double" bleeding wound. Took a minute to realize the kill time was so much greater without the PA. Losing the parry didn't help either.
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:30
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QUOTE(RacerX849 @ Mar 17 2014, 19:12) *

So how badly would the parry roll on this rapier hurt me for dual wield? Tried upping the parry chance level and it raised it by like .2%. Is it worth trying to forge it?

Livable, depending on what you would use to replace it. i see scaled 12.81, would give me 40% parry in offhand. While a rapier with a scaled 20.97 gives me 50% parry. Most reachable non-nimble rapiers probably fall into the 15/17 scaled, better ones 19+, so general range of 2-10% parry loss. I was in a similar situation (low parry offhand) and forged to get the parry up a few %. You won't see drastic gains w/ less than 2 dozen forges. it will cost a bit, but it helps if you can afford it. Might be easier to sell it if that doesn't seem like an option you like. Or like in my case am just using it as a stopgap and will salvage when something better comes along.
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