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post Mar 17 2014, 01:58
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QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 17 2014, 00:35) *

Here it is a picture of couple of things.

The 1st I have, the 2nd is for sale at 50.000 credits.

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I was thinking about how decide to buy a thing. Are there some guidelines on how decide on the characteristics?

Actually, I usually do not care about the first numbers, they are always more or less the same and often they balance themselves.

When I see the Fire Damage, I ask myself, should I spend 50k for just 0,11 more points of damage? It does not seem a big deal.

When I see both INT and WIS are more than 10 points less in the Exquisite thing, I ask myself what is the purpose of this thing.

In general, are Exquisite weapons worth when improved in Item World, or the difference remains the same, almost nothing, between 2 leveled up weapons of different quality?

Or am I missing something else?

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heh, that's not always an easy task.
first of all, you have to consider the effect of PABs on stats: see here
thus you *should* consider how all these levels augment with level scaling: see here, basically it means that PABs augment way more than other stats when passing from one level to another, so the difference in stats would be sooner or later compensed by PABs.

i don't know mage very much, but my two cents is that you are comparing an upper-tier superior with a lower-tier exquisite,so in my opinion 12INT and 12WIS more would already be good points to keep that sup one (or at least not to spend 50k for that exq). let's see if some mages confirm that

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post Mar 17 2014, 03:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 17 2014, 00:58) *

heh, that's not always an easy task.
first of all, you have to consider the effect of PABs on stats: see here
thus you *should* consider how all these levels augment with level scaling: see here, basically it means that PABs augment way more than other stats when passing from one level to another, so the difference in stats would be sooner or later compensed by PABs.

i don't know mage very much, but my two cents is that you are comparing an upper-tier superior with a lower-tier exquisite,so in my opinion 12INT and 12WIS more would already be good points to keep that sup one (or at least not to spend 50k for that exq). let's see if some mages confirm that


Thank you for the answer.

Actually in the Wiki at the Item World entry, it does not seem the quality changes the increase in stats.

It says:

All potencies give roughly 2% bonus per potency level (then scaled according to player's level)

Since the formula in the link you provided is linear, an inequality at level 0 between 2 weapons will not change sense after Item World leveling up. At least that is what I got.

EDIT: so that thing is not to buy given the differencies in PABs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Mar 17 2014, 03:31
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No reply yet in ponyverse, CC'ing here:

Anything special happen when you max a piece of gear completely (IW10/bindings)?. Maybe a gold star next to it to indicate that at a dollar a day you could feed all africa's staving children with the total credits you spent?

If there were tangible credits to dollars exchange or equivalent that is.
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post Mar 17 2014, 03:42
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QUOTE(dnbdave @ Mar 16 2014, 18:31) *

No reply yet in ponyverse, CC'ing here:

Anything special happen when you max a piece of gear completely (IW10/bindings)?. Maybe a gold star next to it to indicate that at a dollar a day you could feed all africa's staving children with the total credits you spent?

If there were tangible credits to dollars exchange or equivalent that is.

a pony gets it wings.

Other than that, nada, though it does disappear from Item World list.
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post Mar 17 2014, 07:50
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just curious, for melee armor is it more useful to have a mix of Mitigations or Juggernaut/Capacitor?
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post Mar 17 2014, 08:06
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 17 2014, 13:50) *

just curious, for melee armor is it more useful to have a mix of Mitigations or Juggernaut/Capacitor?


Juggernaut > Capacitor >>>>>>>>>> Mitigations.

Reason: mitigations you get (elemental/holy/dark) are those dealt by skills/spirit attack (mainly). So it's kinda like...warding, only more useless as there are six different types.

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post Mar 17 2014, 09:16
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 17 2014, 14:06) *

Juggernaut > Capacitor >>>>>>>>>> Mitigations.

Reason: mitigations you get (elemental/holy/dark) are those dealt by skills/spirit attack (mainly). So it's kinda like...warding, only more useless as there are six different types.

But they are free ~~~~~~~~~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Raise a few level for each piece is not a bad idea IMO.
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post Mar 17 2014, 09:47
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 17 2014, 08:06) *

Juggernaut > Capacitor >>>>>>>>>> Mitigations.

Reason: mitigations you get (elemental/holy/dark) are those dealt by skills/spirit attack (mainly). So it's kinda like...warding, only more useless as there are six different types.


thanks.

QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 17 2014, 09:16) *

But they are free ~~~~~~~~~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Raise a few level for each piece is not a bad idea IMO.


that's what i thought. waiting for some to sell me my last pony for OFC, then i guess i'll spend some time IW everything a few lvs. hopefully, i can get lv3 Juggernaut on every piece. ie the poor mans way of a free VV. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

though, most of my elemental mitigation is still sitting at Zero

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post Mar 17 2014, 16:19
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What is bubble gum and flower vase? I got each of them but dunno what they are for. It seems they are some rare consumable so I don't want to use without knowing.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Items#Special_Items
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post Mar 17 2014, 17:01
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I have some questions about proficiency, since I want to get the tier 2 elemental spells
Right now, I generally always play on hell difficulty, and only use elemental spells in combat
The wiki implies that my base magic proficiency should be over 75% my level, but it's sitting at a measly 14-15... is the wiki outdated or am I leveling too fast because of the difficulty level?
I also just tried switching out some of my cloth armor to use stuff with more interference, but it didn't have a particularly noticeable effect, should I also remove MP tank ability while grinding or should I just not worry about proficiency right now?
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post Mar 17 2014, 17:46
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QUOTE(no? @ Mar 17 2014, 17:01) *

I have some questions about proficiency, since I want to get the tier 2 elemental spells
Right now, I generally always play on hell difficulty, and only use elemental spells in combat
The wiki implies that my base magic proficiency should be over 75% my level, but it's sitting at a measly 14-15... is the wiki outdated or am I leveling too fast because of the difficulty level?
I also just tried switching out some of my cloth armor to use stuff with more interference, but it didn't have a particularly noticeable effect, should I also remove MP tank ability while grinding or should I just not worry about proficiency right now?


keep casting (or spamming) more spells? though, as i under stand it, Proficiency is capped at your level and i've not heard about the 75% thing.

also, what's your ability slot & equipment looks like? but you shouldn't remove MP tank.
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post Mar 17 2014, 17:54
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current gear is: Staff | Cap | Robe | Gloves | Pants | Shoes
current stats are 30 str, 30 dex, 65 agi, 93 end, 115 int, 95 wis
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and nothing out of the ordinary for abilities
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post Mar 17 2014, 18:09
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As far as i know, Proficiencies would take either a lot of time or MP to level regardless of which difficulty you're in, so your best option is to grindfest them on Normal difficulty with all-heroic mana potion setup, complete with 'MP Tanks' and 'Better Mana Pots' ability as high as possible.
If you have the credits, you could invest on the Assimilator to increase the chance of getting procs, though you'll spend a lot of MPs grinding for them either way.

As for me, I wanted to ask how powerful is Orbital Friendship Cannon, really, with and without Manhattan Project hath perks?
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post Mar 17 2014, 18:33
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QUOTE(no? @ Mar 17 2014, 17:54) *

current gear is: Staff | Cap | Robe | Gloves | Pants | Shoes
current stats are 30 str, 30 dex, 65 agi, 93 end, 115 int, 95 wis
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/PmtD9IS.png)
and nothing out of the ordinary for abilities


don't know that much about mage,

-most of your stuff is Freyr stuff, try to get a full set. also, maybe a matching Staff Tempestuous xxx of Destruction/Freyr
-you can always reset your Ability Points for free So spend that 20 extra points & that 1 empty slot. maybe HP pots/cloth/staff stuff for last slot?
-use shadow veil & slotted it instead of better slow. i'd assume mages need more evade to survive.

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Mar 17 2014, 18:09) *

As for me, I wanted to ask how powerful is Orbital Friendship Cannon, really, with and without Manhattan Project hath perks?


just got OFC today. imo, it's pretty useful on large crowds(5+), especially for 1H that doesn't hv a AOE attack. most of the time OFC can kill off everything in IWTBH in 1 blast. though, not for bosses/legendary and not in PF.

also, it's a long & expensive road. it took me 2 weeks & about 70k/pony x21.

ps. imo, you 2 should try to max out Pack Rat asap. Potions are lifesavers.

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post Mar 17 2014, 19:06
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That lil' sat is both live-saving and game-breaking at the same time.
Anyway, how rare are these ponies, relatively speaking?
Does the Archaeologist skill help much (if at all) in finding them?
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post Mar 17 2014, 20:12
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 17 2014, 17:33) *

don't know that much about mage,

-most of your stuff is Freyr stuff, try to get a full set. also, maybe a matching Staff Tempestuous xxx of Destruction/Freyr
-you can always reset your Ability Points for free So spend that 20 extra points & that 1 empty slot. maybe HP pots/cloth/staff stuff for last slot?
-use shadow veil & slotted it instead of better slow. i'd assume mages need more evade to survive.

pretty sure FreeSHop should have a tempestuous of destruction, i bought one at a recent auction, you should only see if it's better than a tempestuous of freyr; windy gloves should be present too.
also, is it useful for a freyr mage to have havoc? or do you slotted it only because you have mjolnir gloves? otherwise it's another 3AP and a red slot that you could use ie for cloth armor abilities.

btw, nice gear for your level...

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Mar 17 2014, 18:06) *

That lil' sat is both live-saving and game-breaking at the same time.
Anyway, how rare are these ponies, relatively speaking?
Does the Archaeologist skill help much (if at all) in finding them?

quite rare, i guess one of the rarest thing in game. i only got one drop and two bazaar in all these levels.

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post Mar 17 2014, 20:30
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I'll put this pic first....
My Stat:
(IMG:[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/38ij7Zr.png)

My Equip (some of them and more upgrades soon thanks to FreeSHop):
(IMG:[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/XMS0RpC.png)

My Training Skills:
(IMG:[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/r8EVQp3.png)

Now onto crapload of questions....

So i'm just following whatever advice on hentaiverse wiki up until now. I'm wondering if my stat and equips are still ok for a 2H Melee Heavy. Is it ok for like, level 110ish and so on just following the formula from the advice?

The last picture was training skill (is training quartermaster that time). As you guys can see i'm quite the pisspoor and quite low on creds. I am totally suck with trading and hell if i wanna bother with it, especially when i still need to get the better equips. Although i was quite lucky couple of times when i got plenty of artifacts, and i decided to use it all for myself. Now how should i get richer, or get at least to the point where i can farm good stuff? So far im only getting kinda-low-quality-and-not-so-Superiors, and in a not too often manners as well. I already spent plenty of credits training those skills for more loots, but am i doing it wrong?

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post Mar 17 2014, 20:41
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QUOTE(HellTemplar @ Mar 17 2014, 19:30) *

I'll put this pic first....
My Stat:
(IMG:[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/38ij7Zr.png)

So i'm just following whatever advice on hentaiverse wiki up until now. I'm wondering if my stat and equips are still ok for a 2H Melee Heavy. Is it ok for like, level 110ish and so on just following the formula from the advice?

use all the EXP points you get, you don't have to follow *every* thing that's written in wiki, what you see are only minimum values...
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post Mar 17 2014, 21:21
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@HellTemplar,

It's really too early to say whether you are doing anything right or wrong, as you are only just starting out. As Scremaz said, why save up your Exp points, use them up as soon as you get them. The first four attributes are most important to melee players, I'd even them up with wisdom in the same vicinity.

Training wise, you are spending your credits on the hopes of getting better drops but you are going to at least double those numbers (Scav, LotD) before you see anything that's decent on a regular basis. I, on the other hand at your level, concentrated on melee oriented training. I would train Adept Learner (lots) for quicker levelling up and Packrat (at least 5 more now) so that you can carry more pots into your battle. These two will allow you to fight at higher difficulty levels, which in turn bring you better drops and Exp points.

Also make sure all of your Ability points are used up to your level's maximum potential and slotted. If not, train enough Ability points to do so. Adept Learner helps a lot in this as well because you can level up quicker (each new level brings you another Ability point).
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post Mar 17 2014, 23:52
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I would train Adept Learner (lots) for quicker levelling up and Packrat (at least 5 more now) so that you can carry more pots into your battle. These two will allow you to fight at higher difficulty levels, which in turn bring you better drops and Exp points.

Also make sure all of your Ability points are used up to your level's maximum potential and slotted. If not, train enough Ability points to do so. Adept Learner helps a lot in this as well because you can level up quicker (each new level brings you another Ability point).



I thought higher difficulty levels doesn't give you higher chance of getting item / better items? I was considering getting pack rat as well, but i was worry to take more on adept learner. I worry that i would be under-equipped if i went too fast with the exp bonus? Should i worry about this?
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