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post Mar 16 2014, 14:07
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QUOTE(valiant12 @ Mar 16 2014, 01:08) *

Ello everyone! I just came back from a 2 year hiatus and looking at playing this game again in my spare time.

Before i left i was going a 2h Mace spec for easier farming/survivability.

I find it hard to switch out of this spec into a different 2h melee spec as i take too much dmg too quickly without the stuns.

Wat gear/abilities/skills should i be looking at?

And are Auras all taken out of the game?



The wiki is out of date but still useful and I am not a melee player.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Advice#Melee_Weapon

Possibly the most popular melee styles at the moment are DW axe/club with a rapier, or 1 hand with shield.

Armor is argued about a bit, shade, plate and power armor are the most popular. Leather is a cheap starter option, you could get a legendary set for not too much or even sometimes free.

I think 2H + Power armor is popular, but which changes to bleeding I am not sure which weapon is the most popular.
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post Mar 16 2014, 14:08
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QUOTE(valiant12 @ Mar 16 2014, 19:08) *

Ello everyone! I just came back from a 2 year hiatus and looking at playing this game again in my spare time.

Before i left i was going a 2h Mace spec for easier farming/survivability.

I find it hard to switch out of this spec into a different 2h melee spec as i take too much dmg too quickly without the stuns.

Wat gear/abilities/skills should i be looking at?

And are Auras all taken out of the game?

All auras were removed. And new ability system was added. You now need to spend AP to get the ability and equip them.
For survivability, 2H mace is good enough. At higher level (200+), you may want to switch to 1H with full power armor. 1H can be faster than DW with much better protection if your gears are right.
QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Mar 16 2014, 20:07) *

The wiki is out of date but still useful and I am not a melee player.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Advice#Melee_Weapon

Possibly the most popular melee styles at the moment are DW axe/club with a rapier, or 1 hand with shield.

Armor is argued about a bit, shade, plate and power armor are the most popular. Leather is a cheap starter option, you could get a legendary set for not too much or even sometimes free.

I think 2H + Power armor is popular, but which changes to bleeding I am not sure which weapon is the most popular.

2H + power was popular. In the current system, 2H players either need to use a mace for stun or light armor for more protection, especially in PF.

Generally speaking, estoc is better at higher difficulty while longsword (with much better stat before) is better at Hell-.

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post Mar 16 2014, 14:31
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1H without OFC is slow. 1H with OFC can clear as fast as 2H, since it can spend 2x the turn on one round, then one hit clear the next round. Still, I find it odd that you can't clear IW. When I switched to 1H at your level, I easily cleared IW PFUDOR (60 rounds) with the rapier balance from my DW set, a force shield I bought for 200k, 3slaughter/2protection power set, and 100 1H prof. At that point, I haven't had OFC yet.

My trick to clear PFUDOR DwD is not using SV at all (not even IA), until round 130. That saves me from having to use 1-2 mana pot.

Defend is also a great tool to mitigate damage that is often overlooked.

I suppose you're using power of protection, so you can try skipping both SV and protection to save even more mana.


It's not so much that I can't clear IW, I lose interest and flee. Plus having lower back problems means that sitting at the computer for longer periods of time more difficult.

I know my 1H prof is nowhere enough to challenge SG, I was trying to extrapolate what the potential will be like when it reaches 200+. I am still using Shade, I don't have decent enough heavy set to equip at the moment.
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post Mar 16 2014, 14:48
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is there somewhere information about the numbers of Salvage(types, tiers, pxp, chances, prices)?
is it true that Salvage good only for common exq-mag drop of any types with low price?
so what price cap(bazaar/salvage/shop/auction) do you use for each types?
and what you do with drops like this? are they worth something?
does it make sense to open shop for this - someone needs?
Exquisite Shocking Wakizashi of the Nimble
Exquisite Power Boots of Protection
Exquisite Power Armor of Balance
Exquisite Force Shield of Warding
dont know what to do with them
keep many things like this ^^
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post Mar 16 2014, 15:02
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 16 2014, 23:31) *

It's not so much that I can't clear IW, I lose interest and flee. Plus having lower back problems means that sitting at the computer for longer periods of time more difficult.

I know my 1H prof is nowhere enough to challenge SG, I was trying to extrapolate what the potential will be like when it reaches 200+. I am still using Shade, I don't have decent enough heavy set to equip at the moment.


Not much, if you're using shade. I haven't seriously tried out 1H Axe shade yet, but 1H rapier shade's performance is pretty poor compared to the potential you can have with power. Plus the evade will harm 1H OC recovery from counter, which is crucial during SG, since you want to spam skills as soon as they're off cooldown. And juggling between OFC and Shield Bash - Vital Strike take some OC management (how well I can cycle my skills pretty much determine whether I can clear DwD with 2 potions left, or being forced to focus).

Then again, who knows, you might just make 1H Shade work (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I reckon if you keep 4-5 monsters alive to "farm" OC, it might work :/

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post Mar 16 2014, 15:15
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 16 2014, 14:08) *

All auras were removed. And new ability system was added. You now need to spend AP to get the ability and equip them.
For survivability, 2H mace is good enough. At higher level (200+), you may want to switch to 1H with full power armor. 1H can be faster than DW with much better protection if your gears are right.

2H + power was popular. In the current system, 2H players either need to use a mace for stun or light armor for more protection, especially in PF.

Generally speaking, estoc is better at higher difficulty while longsword (with much better stat before) is better at Hell-.



Hmmmm Currently my build feels not that efficient....

I got the obvious abilities for Heavy Armour/2h build, and i put the rest of my points in supportive like Cure/regen/protection.

Generally my long level clears includes me keeping Regen/Protection up the entire time, makes me have to use alot of mana pots and to be efficient i enter spirit mode and casts the spells so they last longer and cost less.

If i get too low i cast a heal, and use up my overcharge whenever i can.

I can do up to hell/nightmare without too much trouble unless i get 2 hit by some mobs.

But yeah i dont feel like im doing it right, and im playing some 'band-aid' style ive picked up just coming back.
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post Mar 16 2014, 15:38
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QUOTE(valiant12 @ Mar 16 2014, 21:15) *

Hmmmm Currently my build feels not that efficient....

I got the obvious abilities for Heavy Armour/2h build, and i put the rest of my points in supportive like Cure/regen/protection.

Generally my long level clears includes me keeping Regen/Protection up the entire time, makes me have to use alot of mana pots and to be efficient i enter spirit mode and casts the spells so they last longer and cost less.

If i get too low i cast a heal, and use up my overcharge whenever i can.

I can do up to hell/nightmare without too much trouble unless i get 2 hit by some mobs.

But yeah i dont feel like im doing it right, and im playing some 'band-aid' style ive picked up just coming back.

Some quick advice.

HP/MP/SP tasks are must get.
Number of pot is important for lower level player to clear high level arena at the highest difficulty, so train them asap if you want to do harder arena runs.
Also, health script, e.g. hvstat, is useful to prevent accident death.

BTW, you can renew your out-dated gears from the new share free shop, which local in the WTS sub forum.
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post Mar 16 2014, 15:44
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What is bubble gum and flower vase? I got each of them but dunno what they are for. It seems they are some rare consumable so I don't want to use without knowing.
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:30
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Actually what factors do i need to take into account to decide whether to go for shade armor or power armor?
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:35
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 16 2014, 15:38) *

Some quick advice.

HP/MP/SP tasks are must get.
Number of pot is important for lower level player to clear high level arena at the highest difficulty, so train them asap if you want to do harder arena runs.
Also, health script, e.g. hvstat, is useful to prevent accident death.

BTW, you can renew your out-dated gears from the new share free shop, which local in the WTS sub forum.



Got the HP MP SP abilities

Already got my inventory increased to my max amount.

What is health script???

And i already requested an item from the free shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif), just waiting for a reply (Hoping i get it)
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:42
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QUOTE(Xyreth @ Mar 17 2014, 01:30) *

Actually what factors do i need to take into account to decide whether to go for shade armor or power armor?


shade: more defense in exchange for lower firepower, goes well with 2H and DW.

power: more firepower in exchange for less defense, goes well with 1H.
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:45
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QUOTE(valiant12 @ Mar 16 2014, 22:35) *

Got the HP MP SP abilities

Already got my inventory increased to my max amount.

What is health script???

And i already requested an item from the free shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif), just waiting for a reply (Hoping i get it)

Sorry for the typo, it should be health low alert script.
The HVstat and HV stat slim have this function.
You can get them in the script thread, or from the link in the wiki script page.
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:52
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 16 2014, 16:45) *

Sorry for the typo, it should be health low alert script.
The HVstat and HV stat slim have this function.
You can get them in the script thread, or from the link in the wiki script page.

thx!
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post Mar 16 2014, 16:54
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 16 2014, 22:42) *

shade: more defense in exchange for lower firepower, goes well with 2H and DW.

power: more firepower in exchange for less defense, goes well with 1H.


Ok, i always thought that light armor had less defense compared to heavy.

What if i'm aiming for niten ichiryu? Shade?

And i'm assuming 1H goes well with power since you have shields to compensate for your defence
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post Mar 16 2014, 17:28
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QUOTE(Xyreth @ Mar 17 2014, 01:54) *

Ok, i always thought that light armor had less defense compared to heavy.

What if i'm aiming for niten ichiryu? Shade?

And i'm assuming 1H goes well with power since you have shields to compensate for your defence

Light has speed bonus, evade, and resist. The speed bonus is especially important for 2H and DW since they miss so much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Niten is a mix of 2H and DW so pretty much Shade.
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post Mar 16 2014, 19:24
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QUOTE(valiant12 @ Mar 16 2014, 15:35) *

And i already requested an item from the free shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif), just waiting for a reply (Hoping i get it)

yeh, you got it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE(Xyreth @ Mar 16 2014, 15:54) *

What if i'm aiming for niten ichiryu? Shade?

light, thus shade. however IMO it's a bit too early for you to go with niten: when i was a low level i used to use that and it actually worked well, but i found myself at 220 level or so with shitty profs, so i had to switch again to grind them a bit.
you can build up a set to try it, but i suggest you don't rely too much on it
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post Mar 16 2014, 20:41
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Balance clubs don't get parry anymore? Exquisite Tempestuous Club of Balance

What about this katana? Exquisite Katana of Balance

Bazaar, sell, or donate?
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post Mar 16 2014, 20:52
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Balance clubs don't get parry anymore? Exquisite Tempestuous Club of Balance

What about this katana? Exquisite Katana of Balance

Bazaar, sell, or donate?


No, Balance is Attack Accuracy.
Nimble weapons get Parry: Exquisite Club of the Nimble

Balance weapons in general aren't popular unless they have great damage. Slaughter & sometimes Nimble (for off-hand).
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post Mar 16 2014, 21:10
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Mar 16 2014, 14:41) *

Balance clubs don't get parry anymore? Exquisite Tempestuous Club of Balance

What about this katana? Exquisite Katana of Balance

Bazaar, sell, or donate?


salvage the club if you need a HG metal since you'll probably get one, otherwise toss a coin to decide between bazaar or donate
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post Mar 17 2014, 01:35
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Here it is a picture of couple of things.

The 1st I have, the 2nd is for sale at 50.000 credits.

(IMG:[i57.tinypic.com] http://i57.tinypic.com/10mra84.jpg)

I was thinking about how decide to buy a thing. Are there some guidelines on how decide on the characteristics?

Actually, I usually do not care about the first numbers, they are always more or less the same and often they balance themselves.

When I see the Fire Damage, I ask myself, should I spend 50k for just 0,11 more points of damage? It does not seem a big deal.

When I see both INT and WIS are more than 10 points less in the Exquisite thing, I ask myself what is the purpose of this thing.

In general, are Exquisite weapons worth when improved in Item World, or the difference remains the same, almost nothing, between 2 leveled up weapons of different quality?

Or am I missing something else?

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