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Use Defend.

or health potion xD

arcane focus is an extremely slow spell. usually each monster in a mob can hit you twice whenever you use it so don't cast it unless there's only one monster left, have spark of life up, or have tons of evade(not sure what a ton of evade is for a mage is though, i'd say ~35%)

thx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Cure then Full Cure is fine, but Full Cure then Cure makes no sense.

It makes sense when your HP is less than 25% and you have 150% HP boost

or health potion xD

Only viable in RE or RoB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 11 2014, 02:12

So I'm saving up 500 Hath, what should I get between Resplendent Regeneration, Innate Arcana III, or Crystarium 2 to improve my Grindfest earning. I know that RR saves SP, IA saves MP, and Crystarium brings me more crys. I just don't know which factor would be the biggest.

Alternatively, should I get Thinking Cap (250 Hath)? Since more exp = faster level = faster clear, longer run.

So I'm saving up 500 Hath, what should I get between Resplendent Regeneration, Innate Arcana III, or Crystarium 2 to improve my Grindfest earning. I know that RR saves SP, IA saves MP, and Crystarium brings me more crys. I just don't know which factor would be the biggest.

Alternatively, should I get Thinking Cap (250 Hath)? Since more exp = faster level = faster clear, longer run.

RR save both MP and SP
IA only save MP
Crystarium increase income
If you can clear PF DwD, why you need more MP/SP?

Edit
Forgot to mentioned that IA is good for multi-task. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 11 2014, 03:21

RR save both MP and SP
IA only save MP
Crystarium increase income
If you can clear PF DwD, why you need more MP/SP?

So basically crystarium for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, MP/SP is for GF. Even in Hellfest, I keep popping first SP pot at round ~600. Btw, to answer your question on the chat thread, I tried Hellfest just before the reset, and only got to round 900, though there's room for optimization. I ran out of SP pot with 4 MP pot left, and my timing for using SV is still wrong (I started using it too late, hence my SP drain...).

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 11 2014, 03:27

Crystarium II, definitely. You get 50% more crystals, which are about 50% of the income on low difficulties(I think? depends on artifact price at the moment), giving you pretty nice income multiplier overall.

Since none of the perks you mentioned increase your kill speed in any significant capacity, to match that they must improve your depth from round 300 or less by two thirds. (i.e. 300 to 500). And even then, more artifact crystals.

Crystarium II, definitely. You get 50% more crystals, which are about 50% of the income on low difficulties(I think? depends on artifact price at the moment), giving you pretty nice income multiplier overall.

Since none of the perks you mentioned increase your kill speed in any significant capacity, to match that they must improve your depth from round 300 or less by two thirds. (i.e. 300 to 500). And even then, more artifact crystals.

Come to think of it, since my Scavenger is only 35/50 and my Archeology is 6/10, would it be a better idea to dump 4.5m into them instead?

I don't think you should train Scavenger much in a long time, really - it only gives fourth of the benefit it used to.

Archeologist, perhaps - don't remember what that level costed but it is a simple division for ROI. Also, Archeologist is also active outside of grindfest.

I don't think you should train Scavenger much in a long time, really - it only gives fourth of the benefit it used to.

Archeologist, perhaps - don't remember what that level costed but it is a simple division for ROI. Also, Archeologist is also active outside of grindfest.

while we're on this topic, how Scavenger really works though? in the description is said, it'll increase drop chance by 2 %(?!), but in the wiki it said the max drop rate is 12.5%?

I don't think you should train Scavenger much in a long time, really - it only gives fourth of the benefit it used to.

Archeologist, perhaps - don't remember what that level costed but it is a simple division for ROI. Also, Archeologist is also active outside of grindfest.

Arhcheo lv7 costs 1.6m, lv8 costs 2.3m, lv9 4.4m. So 4.m should be enough to get me to level 8 :/

20% more artifact vs 50% more crystal :/

@malkatmp: It increases the drop chance formula by +2 not +2%. The formula divides that by 4, so at level 50 you have 25% greater chance to drop things, assuming the monster loot drop bonus is multiplied by that instead of added to it. So far, evidence points to additive.

@holy_demon: Crystals wins in such a trade if you do only grindfest, I think - their value is less than crystal drop value, overall, in the first place - I'd have to guess it is 50% to 35%, atm, what with the low artifact price now looking at WTB. If you do 60% arenas-40% grindfest, it still wins due the crystal drops in arenas whenever you don't get a Heroic Health Potion or something, or due artifact crystals if you don't sell them.

However, your math is wrong - for one, you're considering both levels in one and for another, you're not considering existing levels - you're not training 0 to 1 arch.

Level 7: (1+7/10)/(1+6/10)*100%-100% more artifacts, at the cost of 1.6m. So 6,25% more artifacts for 1.6m, or 256k per 1% more artifacts.

Crystarium II is 4500k for 50% more crystals, or 90k for 1% more crystals.

Level 8: 5,88235294118% more artifacts for 2.3m.

So, how much do you fest?

@malkatmp: It increases the drop chance formula by +2 not +2%. The formula divides that by 4, so at level 50 you have 25% greater chance to drop things, assuming the monster loot drop bonus is multiplied by that instead of added to it. So far, evidence points to additive.

@holy_demon: Crystals wins in such a trade if you do only grindfest, I think - their value is less than crystal drop value, overall, in the first place - I'd have to guess it is 50% to 35%, atm, what with the low artifact price now looking at WTB. If you do 60% arenas-40% grindfest, it still wins due the crystal drops in arenas whenever you don't get a Heroic Health Potion or something, or due artifact crystals if you don't sell them.

However, your math is wrong - for one, you're considering both levels in one and for another, you're not considering existing levels - you're not training 0 to 1 arch.

Level 7: (1+7/10)/(1+6/10)*100%-100% more artifacts, at the cost of 1.6m. So 6,25% more artifacts for 1.6m, or 256k per 1% more artifacts.

Crystarium II is 4500k for 50% more crystals, or 90k for 1% more crystals.

Level 8: 5,88235294118% more artifacts for 2.3m.

So, how much do you fest?

60 arena - 40 fest sounds about right

I wouldn't say 12.5k for artifact is a low price. Artifact used to go for 10k before the stamina mini-update.

Also, crystarium no longer affects what you get from artifact, it's a fixed 1000 crys now. But yeah, I need to balance how how many credits I'm getting per GF, but crystarium is looking good

*cancel Archeology training* (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Does anyone happen to know exactly how Silence is unlocked? The wiki lists level 110? and proficiency 40? and I have 51 depreciating proficiency already. I have Blind, which needed 30 proficiency. I've scoured the forum posts already, and not one single post seems to give a definitive answer other than "get your proficiency higher" and it's getting really annoying to stall progress to wait for Silence. Also, yes, it is base proficiency of 50, none of my equips give any depreciating bonus at all. A whole ton of posts say "Once you get silence at 110..." or something along those lines and I've passed that already. What exactly am I missing that is apparently so obvious that everyone that needs Silence either knows how to get it or already had it, that seems to be completely undocumented with no instruction whatsoever?

Does anyone happen to know exactly how Silence is unlocked? The wiki lists level 110? and proficiency 40? and I have 51 depreciating proficiency already. I have Blind, which needed 30 proficiency. I've scoured the forum posts already, and not one single post seems to give a definitive answer other than "get your proficiency higher" and it's getting really annoying to stall progress to wait for Silence. Also, yes, it is base proficiency of 50, none of my equips give any depreciating bonus at all. A whole ton of posts say "Once you get silence at 110..." or something along those lines and I've passed that already. What exactly am I missing that is apparently so obvious that everyone that needs Silence either knows how to get it or already had it, that seems to be completely undocumented with no instruction whatsoever?

For proficiency, it's definitely 40. Mine is still under 50 and I have it already. I guess the only way you don't have it yet is the 110 level requirement listed on the wiki is wrong.

btw,is IA-3 worth to buy or not?will it helps to clear last 3 arena in PFUDOR?
(the last time i cleared them is only in hard-normal-normal)

i've been saving up to buy it,
but i have doubts now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

is crystarium-1 good to buy,even if i never play grindfest?

btw,is IA-3 worth to buy or not?will it helps to clear last 3 arena in PFUDOR?
(the last time i cleared them is only in hard-normal-normal)

i've been saving up to buy it,
but i have doubts now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

is crystarium-1 good to buy,even if i never play grindfest?

Well, with IA2, I can clear EoD and ED PFUDOR (and round 130 DwD) before I forge my shield and rapier

After forging (estimated cost: 10m) , I can clear PFUDOR DwD

So imo, that 5m is better spent to forge your equipment/buy better equipment. You should also get Vigorous Vitality, since it helps a lot with managing your spirit.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 11 2014, 08:17

Well, with IA2, I can clear EoD and ED PFUDOR (and round 130 DwD) before I forge my shield and rapier

After forging (estimated cost: 10m) , I can clear PFUDOR DwD

So imo, that 5m is better spent to forge your equipment/buy better equipment. You should also get Vigorous Vitality, since it helps a lot with managing your spirit.

whoa,so IA-3 is not that helpful? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
i agree with your advice,better save up to buy better gears,
since my current set is still a mess (only balance rapier,mix between shielding/shield,with 1 slaughter&balance)

i think it's better to save up for upgrading %block for shield,
so i can go full slaughter like yours,right?
how much you spent to upgrade your shield?

whoa,so IA-3 is not that helpful? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
i agree with your advice,better save up to buy better gears,
since my current set is still a mess (only balance rapier,mix between shielding/shield,with 1 slaughter&balance)

i think it's better to save up for upgrading %block for shield,
so i can go full slaughter like yours,right?
how much you spent to upgrade your shield?

For arena, VV > RR > IA3. And if you're 1H like me and totally hating on SV and SoL (which will happen when you have more block), then you won't even know what to put in 3rd slot.

I went full slaughter before I upgraded my shield. In fact, I can do PFUDOR ED and EoD with a shield with 38% block.

My current shield costs 800k to buy and ~3m to forge.

For arena, VV > RR > IA3. And if you're 1H like me and totally hating on SV and SoL (which will happen when you have more block), then you won't even know what to put in 3rd slot.

I went full slaughter before I upgraded my shield. In fact, I can do PFUDOR ED and EoD with a shield with 38% block.

My current shield costs 800k to buy and ~3m to forge.

i dont even use shadow veil at all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
the only thing that makes me wanted IA-3 is only to put SoL there,
i hate to keep casting it over and over,it consumes mana,just for a fail-safe spell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

btw i already put my current set in my signature,
so fail compared to you and everyone's else (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)