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post Mar 8 2014, 19:51
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Mar 8 2014, 09:15) *

It's easy. Axe in main hand, balance shortsword in off hand to get as much off hand strike as possible. More than 90% is overkill and you get that from the bazaar. Put two infusions on each weapon, and void the axe for extra hit chance. This works on normal and hard. Above that, too many monsters start taking more than one hit to kill and you'll have to watch your life bar.

You can clear the entire first page of arenas before the infusions run out if the site isn't lagging.


Damn, I got all curious because Teresa of the Faint Smile was doing the asking but it turns out qw3rty67 was talking about battling chibi mobs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 8 2014, 19:56
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QUOTE(something @ Mar 8 2014, 18:48) *

my mistake: Exquisite Redwood Staff of Surtr

and it will cost you the unreasonably high price of 10 credits. i'll CoD you in a sec


Thanks, got it.

It seems the system got automatically the cost, did you receive it?

And may I ask how create that kind of links?
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post Mar 8 2014, 19:57
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QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 9 2014, 01:56) *

And may I ask how create that kind of links?


Point at the equip and press 'c'.
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post Mar 8 2014, 20:14
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 8 2014, 12:51) *
Damn, I got all curious because Teresa of the Faint Smile was doing the asking but it turns out qw3rty67 was talking about battling chibi mobs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The original guy did say he was struggling on normal. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
If you have zillions to waste on forging, you can keep raising the difficulty. We know Cats Lover does 8k with one hand so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out the maximum one-shottable difficulty with two hands.
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post Mar 8 2014, 21:47
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i noted that various users sent me some karma. apart from thanking all of them, shouldn't i recieve a notification when i recieve it as for PMs?

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post Mar 8 2014, 22:09
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 8 2014, 11:47) *

i noted that various users sent me some karma. apart from thanking all of them, shouldn't i recieve a notification when i recieve it as for PMs?


Nope, you don't receive a notice when someone does a credit transfer via the forum system either.
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post Mar 9 2014, 00:16
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In the abilities page, Sorcery is for 1st tier spells and Elementalism is for 2nd tier. When a player reaches the 2nd tier, supposing the single element abilities have all 2nd tier level, the two stack together or Sorcery becomes useless and it is better recover the invested points?

Actually I put points in the single element abilities but despite the description says spell modified, for example from Fiery Blast to Inferno, it seems I am still stuck to the 1st tier spells. What am I missing?

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post Mar 9 2014, 00:34
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 8 2014, 20:41) *

I'm going to drop it since casting HS in spirit stance seems to be efficient enough. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
You can't unless you actually consider the duration of the spells and if it's overlapping active spells. Otherwise I can simply drive the saved mana cost to infinity by casting everything again and again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

0.59 and 0.75 should be correct since it's only HS interacting with itself, so there's no overlapping/gaping problem. Unlike haste/HS which you'll need to consider more factors.


Well, explain to me how you came up with those values 1.5 and 1 (in /1.5 and /1), and why you could use the same value for spirit stance mode, while it gains the same, yet spend less. The 2 value should become (100/75+50/75=2) and (100/75=4/3) respectively, as you spend only 0.75 mana but gain same effect as if you spend 1.5 (with channelling) and 1 (with no channelling)

@infinity, I just need a different approach then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

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post Mar 9 2014, 00:34
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QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 8 2014, 14:16) *

In the abilities page, Sorcery is for 1st tier spells and Elementalism is for 2nd tier. When a player reaches the 2nd tier, supposing the single element abilities have all 2nd tier level, the two stack together or Sorcery becomes useless and it is better recover the invested points?

Actually I put points in the single element abilities but despite the description says spell modified, for example from Fiery Blast to Inferno, it seems I am still stuck to the 1st tier spells. What am I missing?


Sorcery, Elementalism, and Archmage don't stack with each other, but they also don't become obsolete since you need to regularly use all three tiers of spells.

Spell tiers get unlocked by reaching a certain level and proficiency, but I don't know what those milestones are. I'm guessing that your Elemental proficiency is too low to unlock tier 2 spells.

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post Mar 9 2014, 00:40
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QUOTE(n125 @ Mar 8 2014, 23:34) *

Spell tiers get unlocked by reaching a certain level and proficiency, but I don't know what those milestones are. I'm guessing that your Elemental proficiency is too low to unlock tier 2 spells.

wiki

btw, is there a point for a melee to gain T3 spells or is it just for show?
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post Mar 9 2014, 00:51
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Pointless outside of spirit theft, and it seems most people don't even use that. Higher tiers have better proc chance but lower duration, and even if Chenboro overhauls the procs, you were better off attacking in the turns you spent casting.

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post Mar 9 2014, 00:56
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For Inferno it says 50?/500. Let us guess this means I need 50 as Elemental proficiency. Actually I have 35 basic and 53 effective. If I look at basic one, at 0.01 increase per shot, I will have a nice wizard's white beard before attaining it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I think I will use those ability points elsewhere in the meantime.
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post Mar 9 2014, 01:13
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why does arcane focus always end up killing me? ^^
QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 9 2014, 01:56) *

For Inferno it says 50?/500. Let us guess this means I need 50 as Elemental proficiency. Actually I have 35 basic and 53 effective. If I look at basic one, at 0.01 increase per shot, I will have a nice wizard's white beard before attaining it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I think I will use those ability points elsewhere in the meantime.

increase is up to 0.03 and can get even more with training (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Mar 9 2014, 01:33
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QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 9 2014, 09:56) *

For Inferno it says 50?/500. Let us guess this means I need 50 as Elemental proficiency. Actually I have 35 basic and 53 effective. If I look at basic one, at 0.01 increase per shot, I will have a nice wizard's white beard before attaining it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I think I will use those ability points elsewhere in the meantime.


At my level, I need a few million of shot to level up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(surted @ Mar 9 2014, 10:13) *

increase is up to 0.03 and can get even more with training (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Protip: don't put any credit in those proficiency training. Put those credits in Adept Learner.

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QUOTE(surted @ Mar 9 2014, 00:13) *

increase is up to 0.03 and can get even more with training (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

several godslayers discourage to train Assimilator, if that's what you mean.

QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 8 2014, 23:56) *

For Inferno it says 50?/500. Let us guess this means I need 50 as Elemental proficiency. Actually I have 35 basic and 53 effective. If I look at basic one, at 0.01 increase per shot, I will have a nice wizard's white beard before attaining it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

i don't know the meaning of that ?, i myself asked a few time ago but didn't recieve an answer. though i think to unlock T2 spells you need a BASIC prof of 50; if you want to grind elemental prof you can equip a high-mana-conserving set, enter a low-level grindfest and spam elemental spells as if it was raining till you run out of MP. use a potion and repeat; when potions end, flee out of the match and see what happened (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(zotnios @ Mar 8 2014, 23:56) *

I think I will use those ability points elsewhere in the meantime.

that's a good idea, use them for HP tank, better MP potions - whatever, and then appoint them on T2 spells ability only when you've unlocked it and accostumed to its use.

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post Mar 9 2014, 02:03
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What is a good weapon setup for melee style fighting?

I am using a 2 handed longsword setup Weapon 1 Weapon 2 (I swap weapons when IW or proficiency grinding) and am having trouble killing the Invisible Pink Unicorn because I barely do any damage. I read on the wiki that Ethereal weapons are good because they avoid crush/slash/piercing resistances. So I am trying to get my exquisite to level 10.

I have seen mentioned that long swords aren't that good and that 1 handed setups are usually better than 2 handed.

Should I bother trying to upgrade my main weapon to level 10 or buy a magnificent (or higher) ethereal weapon, or mace/estoc/katana, or should I switch to a 1 hand set up(my 1h proficiency is low but I can grind it)?

Thanks.


Edit: Why are people saying training Assimilator is bad? Is it just better to spend credits elsewhere or does it actually have a negative effect on gameplay?

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QUOTE(Numby @ Mar 9 2014, 01:03) *

What is a good weapon setup for melee style fighting?

I am using a 2 handed longsword setup Weapon 1 Weapon 2 (I swap weapons when IW or proficiency grinding) and am having trouble killing the Invisible Pink Unicorn because I barely do any damage. I read on the wiki that Ethereal weapons are good because they avoid crush/slash/piercing resistances. So I am trying to get my exquisite to level 10.

I have seen mentioned that long swords aren't that good and that 1 handed setups are usually better than 2 handed.

Should I bother trying to upgrade my main weapon to level 10 or buy a magnificent (or higher) ethereal weapon, or mace/estoc/katana, or should I switch to a 1 hand set up(my 1h proficiency is low but I can grind it)?

short answer: the best setup is what you can play better; for example i can't play at higher difficulties without domino strike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
longswords are generally unpopular because what they do is 'only' to inflict a durable (but low) damage to targets, while estocs' penetrated armor can considerably reduce their defenses and maces' stun make them unable to evade or parry; further infos here.
thus many people at your level start thinking about switching to an estoc or a mace, or to build a DW set (usually ace/rapier or club/rapier, but everyone has its likings) but i don't know if you can afford to buy an ethereal one. though you can still try to check how it works by using aether and featherweight shards on your weapon.
btw, indeed the exquisite one is much better than the superior - in all its fields, and if you insist on IWing, it could add a certain value to your weapon if you decide to sell it in the future.

[edit] they're not ethereal but i sent you a couple of weapons to try, so you can have a feel of what PA and stun effect do on mobs.

QUOTE(Numby @ Mar 9 2014, 01:03) *

Edit: Why are people saying training Assimilator is bad? Is it just better to spend credits elsewhere or does it actually have a negative effect on gameplay?

the first. personally i have trained one level and i think it was one of my worst 50ish spent credits of my whole gameplay -.-"

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post Mar 9 2014, 03:55
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 9 2014, 02:33) *

Protip: don't put any credit in those proficiency training. Put those credits in Adept Learner.

i dont have the credits to train either anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
and bout my question... ^^
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post Mar 9 2014, 04:05
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QUOTE(surted @ Mar 8 2014, 18:13) *

why does arcane focus always end up killing me? ^^


arcane focus is an extremely slow spell. usually each monster in a mob can hit you twice whenever you use it so don't cast it unless there's only one monster left, have spark of life up, or have tons of evade(not sure what a ton of evade is for a mage is though, i'd say ~35%)
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post Mar 9 2014, 04:35
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 8 2014, 19:16) *

[edit] they're not ethereal but i sent you a couple of weapons to try, so you can have a feel of what PA and stun effect do on mobs.


Wow, I just used the mace and easily took out a group that would have normally given me a lot of trouble. I haven't swapped me weapon type for a long time so my proficiency is a lot better now. 65% chance to domino strike gives a lot of stunning.

As for PA, does that make a difference with ethereal weapons? I know there are resistances to crushing/slashing/piercing that Void avoids, but does void go around physical mitigation too?
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