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that based on my personal experience of playing HV, i concluded that it is impossible to clear TT&TT at PF difficulty level for players under level 265 with the resources available to the average player like me, and first one who prove to me that it not so, receive a gift from me(and clarification concerning that can be used)

PFUDOR TT&T is faceroll easy to get through with 1H, just saying. Everything else will struggle with it. Heck I'm sure I'd have to spam 100+ Cure to get through it if I do it with 2H, even at my level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also, if you're having problem with Spirit, start to spam Defend. You have to spam cure either way, but Defend will cut down your spirit drain by 25%, and significantly reduces the amount of cure you have to use.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 7 2014, 00:55

@tempasdf: almost everyone here commits mistakes writing in english, that's not a crime as long as meaning is clear but please. PLEASE. stop searching visual simmetry in your posts or trying to write trees with words if you're saying something serious. keep them for christmas wishes

also, finally won an IWTBH random with 9 mobs and without using neither SoL nor Shadow Veil nor potions, but i admit Haste was in autocast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 7 2014, 00:52

Does the equipment affect IW drop rate or drop quality in any way?

Pretty sure no.

@tempasdf: almost everyone here commits mistakes writing in english, that's not a crime as long as meaning is clear but please. PLEASE. stop searching visual simmetry in your posts or trying to write trees with words if you're saying something serious. keep them for christmas wishes

also, finally won an IWTBH random with 9 mobs and without using neither SoL nor Shadow Veil nor potions, but i admit Haste was in autocast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well, I did tell him to keep it short... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hey, nice going, keep it up! Now try it in PFUDOR and just set all the buff/debuff whether you think you need them or not and heal like mad at the first sign of trouble. If your MP tank is dry, use another or two - potions are the commonest drop in HV.

Well, I did tell him to keep it short... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hey, nice going, keep it up! Now try it in PFUDOR and just set all the buff/debuff whether you think you need them or not and heal like mad at the first sign of trouble. If your MP tank is dry, use another or two - potions are the commonest drop in HV.

for today i'm done (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'll do a few arenas just to see if i can gain a couple of ToB to challenge the pasta factory

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 7 2014, 01:32

@tempasdf: almost everyone here commits mistakes writing in english, that's not a crime as long as meaning is clear but please. PLEASE. stop searching visual simmetry in your posts or trying to write trees with words if you're saying something serious. keep them for christmas wishes

also, finally won an IWTBH random with 9 mobs and without using neither SoL nor Shadow Veil nor potions, but i admit Haste was in autocast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My REs are on IWTBH. I have Haste & Shadow Veil on autocast.

The first thing I do is cast Protection. Then, I cast Regen. Then I cast Spirit Shield. Lastly I cast Heartseeker. If I get Channeling after casting Protection or Regen, I cast Heartseeker then. I typically activate Spirit Stance when my Overcharge reaches 150-175, depending on how many monsters there are (the more there are, the longer I wait... so I know it will last).

Sometimes, I might have to cast Cure during my killing. I typically never use the special skills, because I get more out of my Overcharge just swinging my club.

Also to note... I use a club. Which means, any time I'm fighting 6 or more monsters, I always attack the ones that aren't stunned. Stun-Lock is a great survival tool.

My REs are on IWTBH. I have Haste & Shadow Veil on autocast.

The first thing I do is cast Protection. Then, I cast Regen. Then I cast Spirit Shield. Lastly I cast Heartseeker. If I get Channeling after casting Protection or Regen, I cast Heartseeker then. I typically activate Spirit Stance when my Overcharge reaches 150-175, depending on how many monsters there are (the more there are, the longer I wait... so I know it will last).

Sometimes, I might have to cast Cure during my killing. I typically never use the special skills, because I get more out of my Overcharge just swinging my club.

Also to note... I use a club. Which means, any time I'm fighting 6 or more monsters, I always attack the ones that aren't stunned. Stun-Lock is a great survival tool.

pretty much the same of what i did, i went on with a mace. i start with the medium one and every few turns i go up or down to stun as many mobs as possible...

My REs are on IWTBH. I have Haste & Shadow Veil on autocast.

The first thing I do is cast Protection. Then, I cast Regen. Then I cast Spirit Shield. Lastly I cast Heartseeker. If I get Channeling after casting Protection or Regen, I cast Heartseeker then. I typically activate Spirit Stance when my Overcharge reaches 150-175, depending on how many monsters there are (the more there are, the longer I wait... so I know it will last).

Sometimes, I might have to cast Cure during my killing. I typically never use the special skills, because I get more out of my Overcharge just swinging my club.

Also to note... I use a club. Which means, any time I'm fighting 6 or more monsters, I always attack the ones that aren't stunned. Stun-Lock is a great survival tool.

If you want to do PFUDOR, you need to cast Spirit Shield first. PFUDOR mobs are notorious for using spell on their 1st or 2nd turn.

If you want to do PFUDOR, you need to cast Spirit Shield first. PFUDOR mobs are notorious for using spell on their 1st or 2nd turn.

Agreed. Spirit Shield is awesome when it absorbs 20+k damages for 100sp. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Haste (in IA1), Spirit Shield (IA2), => Protection => Shadowveil => Health Potion => SoL => Mana Potion => Regen => Heartseeker.

that's pretty much my setup for PF RE since 2H mace + shade set ~250lvs. it's the same now.

PFUDOR TT&T is faceroll easy to get through with 1H, just saying. Everything else will struggle with it. Heck I'm sure I'd have to spam 100+ Cure to get through it if I do it with 2H, even at my level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also, if you're having problem with Spirit, start to spam Defend. You have to spam cure either way, but Defend will cut down your spirit drain by 25%, and significantly reduces the amount of cure you have to use.

You may want to try longsword/estoc with full leather protection. It is slow, but rather safe, if you want to use 2H but not a mace.

Pretty sure no.

I'm quite sure it doesn't affect drop rate, but for drop quality it is....debatable.

Though it's not like we know the mechanism at all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

cold story, key to understanding my Inglizh is to ignore the order of words in English language, read a set of English words rather than English phrase, this is not so difficult as it seems, and if you want to understand Inglizh - you will understand what I mean

If you are not going make the effort to write in a coherent manner, I don't think many people will bother to make the effort to understand what it is you are trying to say, soon you'll be typing the Great Wall of Text that no one is going to bother reading.

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let's say yr screenshot real
(although it can not serve as proof)
dont know what kind of game HV was last year,
and I do not care, question concerns the version at the time of post
("who can prove that now he can pass" - Mar 3 2014, say hi to PFUDOR fix)
I think in this challenge - the difference between L265 and L264 more than the difference between L264 and L220, huge
I think in this challenge - the difference between PF and IWBTH more than the difference between IWBTH and Hell, huge
it already makes no sense to check the compliance with conditions and to authenticate screenshot
since your result "L277 IWBTH Trio Y2013" is very far from the "L264 PF Trio now"
this confirms the fact that even you have not been able to do it,
thanks for urgument in favor I was right

The first thing you should do is to get your eyes examined, that screen cap was for clearing Eternal Darkness and not The Trio & the Tree. When did this become a challenge - tell you what, if you could take me back to Lv265, I'll clear TT&TT at PFUDOR for you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I am afraid you have it all wrong; the challenge isn't what I could have done at Lv265, it's what CAN YOU do at Lv265 or Lv277. You are the one who is doing the chasing, so come and take up the chase instead of making stupid conclusions based on some dubious data only you understand.

so the first one
who can prove that
now he can pass
PF
A100 "The Trio and The Tree"
before level 265
with the resources available to the average player like me
i sent 25kC
or 10kC for PF A90 "Eye of Death"
(no mag+,
25kC max bazaar price for piece of equipment,
no upgrades,
no IW service,
no hath perks except IA1,
welcome)

i'll be nice and assume this isn't a troll post
mag+, >25k bazaar price equips, upgrades, IW service, and hath perks besides IA 1 are all available to the average player like you long before you reach level 265. if you don't have them for some reason then you're either doing something wrong or intentionally making the game harder than it needs to be for yourself.
that being said, since no one here can prove that challenge is possible (including yourself), the best any of us can do is go through T&T without any of the ability upgrades you get at level 265(namely SS), which actually is doable. the difficulty will be more or less the same due to level scaling.

Hello, this was originally posted in the HV System subforum and I was redirected here.

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Until now, I have encountered a few monsters that have a red bar besides the two green and blue.

I have noticed they are much stronger than the others. If the others go down in 3 hits max, if they have that red bar their health decreases almost pixel by pixel.

I imagine that red bar is like my red bar, the Spirit. Unfortunately that thing is not in the wiki.

So as a total newbie I would ask, is something I am missing? Should I read something, or better do something to make my character better?

Until now, I confess, I played casually, without strategy refinements. I do not know if this playing style will bring me very far, so I was thinking to start understanding what I am doing.

So, why those monsters at my same level are so hard to kill? Is it normal?

Is that Spirit responsible of their huge strength? I clicked the Spirit button during a battle but I did not notice any difference in the damage I receive from monsters.

Thank you in advance.

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(I am a mage with exquisite/superior cloth stuff and my primary attributes are all 60)

that red bar is actually their spirit bar, but its use is only to launch an SP attack, that theorically should be much stronger than MP; they also can make use of it only once it's at full level

furthermore, your spirit button only activates your spirit stance, which is a way to augment the strenght of your attacks (slightly, since you're a mage) and to reduce the cost of your spells. maybe you should try focus instead, but i'm not sure of it, never played as mage

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 7 2014, 13:02

The only thing Spirit Stance does for a mage is reduce MP consumption by 25%. It's useful for casting expensive Supportive spells without Channeling. It used to augment magic damage as well, but that was removed some time ago.

Monsters with high power levels seem to start with their SP bar filled up more than the others'. If you are not familiar with a new monster, you can look at the SP bar to roughly estimate how strong it is.

Monsters with high power levels seem to start with their SP bar filled up more than the others'.

Nope, that should be random like the MP bar and action speed.

Ok, if their strenght is not due to the Spirit, it must be due to their defenses.

I am assuming the health amount of a monster of my same level is more or less equal to mine, is this correct?

So, they must have excellent defense. I would have it too, but right now I do not see how. I can get better equipment, but there is not so much in the store after exquisite weapon, often exquisite are inferior to superior weapons. I do not see how much difference amongst weapons that could improve my stats so quickly.

If I level up, monsters too level up in battles so it does not solve the problem. I tried improve my weapons by Item World, but they improve too slowly respect the experience gained (that causes leveling up).

Should I buy super tricky weapons in some user shop? Unfortunately I have not the money by far.

If you are not familiar with a new monster, you can look at their HP to roughly estimate how strong it is.

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BTW, some monsters can have 4x HP of the others with higher PMI/MMI