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post Mar 6 2014, 05:45
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imo, it's nice to have some sort of passive income.

if you can, run a H@H. if not making & seeding torrents are pretty nice too. then you can also run a huge monster labs and wait for drops.
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post Mar 6 2014, 10:07
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Mar 6 2014, 06:24) *

A lady

How you doin'?

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post Mar 6 2014, 11:03
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I've been looking at the New Free Shop being set up in the WTS. There is a chart showing what they will accept and reject, plus points awarded for each type of equipment. Ethereal Staffs garners much less points than Elemental Staffs. Can anyone explain why an Ethereal staff is so much less desirable than an Elemental staff? I've tried searching for "Ethereal Staff" in this thread but did not find any conclusive answer.
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post Mar 6 2014, 11:15
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 17:03) *

I've been looking at the New Free Shop being set up in the WTS. There is a chart showing what they will accept and reject, plus points awarded for each type of equipment. Ethereal Staffs garners much less points than Elemental Staffs. Can anyone explain why an Ethereal staff is so much less desirable than an Elemental staff? I've tried searching for "Ethereal Staff" in this thread but did not find any conclusive answer.

Low damage output. End.
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post Mar 6 2014, 11:44
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All eth does on stack is removing burden(which is less than 1% penalty on evade, even without feather), and making smacking monsters do void damage.

Mages aren't known for smacking monsters.
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post Mar 6 2014, 11:47
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2014, 01:15) *

Low damage output. End.


That doesn't explain anything. We know you are a man of few words but that's a little too frugal.

I've found these two in Mantra64's shop:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=484c62e0e4

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=28a66cde53

They look pretty well the same to me.
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post Mar 6 2014, 11:57
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Mar 6 2014, 00:07) *

How you doin'?


How'm I doin'...? How you doin'?

QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 01:47) *

That doesn't explain anything. We know you are a man of few words but that's a little too frugal.

I've found these two in Mantra64's shop:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=484c62e0e4

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=28a66cde53

They look pretty well the same to me.


Actually, look again.

The Demonic one gives additional Dark Spell Damage. Not a lot, but every little bit helps.
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post Mar 6 2014, 12:04
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 6 2014, 01:44) *

All eth does on stack is removing burden(which is less than 1% penalty on evade, even without feather), and making smacking monsters do void damage.

Mages aren't known for smacking monsters.


I was pondering what I would do if I decide to mage in the future and my proficiency isn't up to snuff to one shot the mob with a spell that has a cooling period. What would I do in that cooling period, cast another spell or do as a melee player would do, thump the monsters into submission. Mages may not be known to thump the monsters around but I can't think of any reason why they can't. I've been looking at the Phase armour in the various WTS shops and the evade on them seem comparable to the Shade counterpart and if the staff had a decent physical damage, thumping monsters into submission might be an option to consider. Your opinion would be most welcome.
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post Mar 6 2014, 12:09
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Mar 6 2014, 01:57) *

How'm I doin'...? How you doin'?
Actually, look again.

The Demonic one gives additional Dark Spell Damage. Not a lot, but every little bit helps.


But that isn't to say another Ethereal staff won't have the Dark Spell Damage. I just picked the two from Mantra's shop because it was quick and convenient, but if I was shopping for one I'd be looking at the figures more closely.
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post Mar 6 2014, 12:22
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 20:09) *

But that isn't to say another Ethereal staff won't have the Dark Spell Damage. I just picked the two from Mantra's shop because it was quick and convenient, but if I was shopping for one I'd be looking at the figures more closely.

Because ethereal doesn't add elemental damage bonus.

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post Mar 6 2014, 12:29
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 12:09) *

But that isn't to say another Ethereal staff won't have the Dark Spell Damage. I just picked the two from Mantra's shop because it was quick and convenient, but if I was shopping for one I'd be looking at the figures more closely.


i think what others are saying is Ethereal in itself is pretty useless for mages, because there is no Void Spell Damage. however, in other elementary Prefixes (ie Demonic), it gives additional Elementary Spell Damage bonus (ie Dark). so if it already have Dark Damage, it'll stack with Demonic Prefix and do More Dark Damages (ie Demonic Staff of Fenrir will have stacked Dark damages Bonus). Ethereal on the other hand doesn't.

also, Staff doesn't have interference & very little Burden. So being Ethereal really doesn't do anything. unless you're whacking mobs with your staff in melee.


just curious, a got a bunch of SG trophies, what should i do with them? sell them or shine them all and hope that i'll get luck?
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post Mar 6 2014, 12:37
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 18:04) *

I was pondering what I would do if I decide to mage in the future and my proficiency isn't up to snuff to one shot the mob with a spell that has a cooling period. What would I do in that cooling period, cast another spell or do as a melee player would do, thump the monsters into submission. Mages may not be known to thump the monsters around but I can't think of any reason why they can't. I've been looking at the Phase armour in the various WTS shops and the evade on them seem comparable to the Shade counterpart and if the staff had a decent physical damage, thumping monsters into submission might be an option to consider. Your opinion would be most welcome.


You always want to cast another spell as a mage while the high-tier spells are in cooldown, unless you're facing 1 monster with almost 0 HP left. Almost nobody can one-shot everything these day on IWBTH/PFUDOR without heavily forged gears. Casting more spells means you'll get more CM, which you can then hit for ET. Keep this cycle and you can save tons of MP.

Now even though phase have similar evade to shade, it's lacking PMI/resist/PAB....
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post Mar 6 2014, 13:11
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 18:03) *

Can anyone explain why an Ethereal staff is so much less desirable than an Elemental staff? I've tried searching for "Ethereal Staff" in this thread but did not find any conclusive answer.


Staff is meant for forging. Elemental prefix adds 25-50% more EDB to a staff. When you forge said staff, it makes a huge difference.

QUOTE(zen_zen @ Mar 6 2014, 19:04) *

I've been looking at the Phase armour in the various WTS shops and the evade on them seem comparable to the Shade counterpart and if the staff had a decent physical damage, thumping monsters into submission might be an option to consider.


You'll get wrecked if you even think about poking mobs with a fragile twig (better known as staff) as mage.
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post Mar 6 2014, 13:24
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I remember some calculations saying Thinking Cap costs less than leveling adept learner past 210lvl, so when is Thinking Cap II more cost-efficient than some adept learner level?
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I remember some calculations saying Thinking Cap costs less than leveling adept learner past 210lvl, so when is Thinking Cap II more cost-efficient than some adept learner level?


Almost never, because EXP perk Mk. II cost almost the same as the total of 300 levels of adept learner.
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post Mar 6 2014, 13:44
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That doesn't explain anything. We know you are a man of few words but that's a little too frugal.

Something that have been asked every few weeks do not require a long answer.
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post Mar 6 2014, 16:12
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With regards to the freeshop that's being set up, all ticket counts are based on desirability. Ethereal staffs lack the added elemental damage bonus of elemental prefix staffs which considering the nature of maging (do as much damage as fast as possible before you get hit by anything - you're a glass cannon) is counter productive. While a legendary ethereal redwood staff of the freyr/destruction may well be better than an exquisite tempestuous redwood staff of the freyr/destruction , this is most likeky due to pabs and and other bonuses. A legendary tempestuous redwood staff of freyr/destruction will outperform anything else for wind damage. Likewise proficiency boosting gear such as "of the earth walker" etc is next to useless compared to gear that boosts physical/magical protection or spell damage.

Melee is a bit different as light and heavy armors have a reasonable amount of magical and physical mitigation built in. Void damage from weapons is also the only type of damage that has no specific mitigations. Mage lacks this option as all damage types it can cause have specific mitigations (fire, holy, dark etc)
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post Mar 6 2014, 19:59
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2014, 03:44) *

Something that have been asked every few weeks do not require a long answer.


A few weeks on an internet forum is an eternity. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

A big thank you to everyone who answered constructively. I need to re-adjust my approach to maging in HV.
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post Mar 7 2014, 00:18
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Does the equipment affect IW drop rate or drop quality in any way?
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(some post of hate from level 315 to 255 - not me, but..)
for all who demand on my quite complete impossible things, do you remember about the restrictions of abilities by level?
then maybe u try to play PF Trio with 3/5 SS like players with level below 265 when the minimal damage capped at 30%(need 61%HP even vs one pokemon)? after that make allowances for the fact that at this level does not fall worthy of IW equipment and coz i invest all resources in training and despite the fact that my drop rates 25/14/8/2 relatively high for level 255 i got 0 Mag+ so u allowed to use only Exq- for honesty.. perks, stats, etc.. and remember what the difference between level 310 and 255 are equal the difference between level 255 and someone does not know about this game like me one month before.. so the first one who can prove that now he can pass PF A100 "The Trio and The Tree" before level 265 with the resources available to the average player like me i sent 25kC or 10kC for PF A90 "Eye of Death" (no mag+, 25kC max bazaar price for piece of equipment, no upgrades, no IW service, no hath perks except IA1, welcome)

Despite the fact that the average overestimated expectation of mid-level(220-284) players the results of many seem weak even to me but not as much as some say, so stop telling lies and cry for the moon in a thread of experts and start to help them become better ^^

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I am certain that your first language is not English, but your somewhat incoherent rambling reminds me of the days when I was strung out on dope, have a Eureka moment, grab a pen and feverishly write it down thinking that it will be a masterpiece, only to find out in the morning that it was all gibberish. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

cold story, key to understanding my Inglizh is to ignore the order of words in English language, read a set of English words rather than English phrase, this is not so difficult as it seems, and if you want to understand Inglizh - you will understand what I mean
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I am not sure whether that last paragraph was directed at me or not but it seems that based on your personal experience of playing HV, you have concluded that it is impossible to clear TT&TT at highest difficulty level for players under level 265, and anyone who says otherwise must be lying.

It's impossible to prove anything online, even screen caps can be doctored but what would be the point of doing that? FWIW, here's the link to my post in this thread after I had managed to clear Eternal Darkness in IWBTH: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry2831138

First of all, I did not say anything about Y2013/L277/IWBTH/Liars and screenshots, but you're almost right
that based on my personal experience of playing HV, i concluded that it is impossible to clear TT&TT at PF difficulty level for players under level 265 with the resources available to the average player like me, and first one who prove to me that it not so, receive a gift from me(and clarification concerning that can be used)
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so the first one who can prove that now he can pass PF A100 "The Trio and The Tree" before level 265 with the resources available to the average player like me i sent 25kC or 10kC for PF A90 "Eye of Death" (no mag+, 25kC max bazaar price for piece of equipment, no upgrades, no IW service, no hath perks except IA1, welcome)

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Please keep your sentences short, to the point, and space them out so that we can try to follow your train of thought.

no problem,
so the first one
who can prove that
now he can pass
PF
A100 "The Trio and The Tree"
before level 265
with the resources available to the average player like me
i sent 25kC
or 10kC for PF A90 "Eye of Death"
(no mag+,
25kC max bazaar price for piece of equipment,
no upgrades,
no IW service,
no hath perks except IA1,
welcome)
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I have finally managed to clear the Eternal Darkness in IWBTH - on the fourth attempt. To celebrate the occasion I promptly salvaged the Arena clearance bonus but alas, it only had a mid-grade leather in it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Attached Image

let's say yr screenshot real
(although it can not serve as proof)
dont know what kind of game HV was last year,
and I do not care, question concerns the version at the time of post
("who can prove that now he can pass" - Mar 3 2014, say hi to PFUDOR fix)
I think in this challenge - the difference between L265 and L264 more than the difference between L264 and L220, huge
I think in this challenge - the difference between PF and IWBTH more than the difference between IWBTH and Hell, huge
it already makes no sense to check the compliance with conditions and to authenticate screenshot
since your result "L277 IWBTH Trio Y2013" is very far from the "L264 PF Trio now"
this confirms the fact that even you have not been able to do it,
thanks for urgument in favor I was right
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For fun (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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you proved nothing to me about challenge by this screenshot, next try? ^^
you can spend more time creating false video to read this:
you proved nothing to me about challenge by this video, next try? ^^
or even get a 25kC without recognition result coz I get tired of listening to the fakes
it will make you happy when you can get it by other way with spending less time?

this challenge is quite complicated and without optimal algorithm exactly Impossible
25kC is not a big price for this secret knowledge and small enough
to prevent an influx of beggars with false stories
mooglemail yr post link if u have something
even yr forbidden scripts will not help

using SS - not enough life for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
using SoL - not enough spirit potion for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
using SoL + SS - not enough spirit potion for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
adding sup each round - not enough spirit potion for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
adding sup + dep each round - not enough mana potion for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
adding better equipment - prohibited for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"
adding perks - prohibited for "L264 PF Trio Challenge"

L150 PF RE vs 10 pokemons - similar problem but doable due to 15 potions per round
link for example of part of the algorithm allowing to pass it written below
something like this would be enough for proving possibilities
with my knowledge Trio Challenge is not possible

also I'm interested in minimal equipment/perks
required for L220-L264 IWBTH Trio or L265-284 PF Trio
if someone can do it - please mooglemail me details, thanks ^^

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as for play, i'm already using the spells you wrote, i can also pass average IWs at IW difficulty only casting cure and regen; till a couple of week ago i only did nintendo REs and debuffed much more compared to now, thus...
and just to say it, yesterday i triggered an IWTBH random: 10 pokemons, shadow veil was in autocast, at first turn i triggered Haste and as second Regen. there wasn't a third move; maybe i should've autocasted haste, but what's wrong with what i did?

first turn - Spark of life(if it's not IA1) - no other options to ensure victory before level 265 or even higher
next turn - anything except flee enougth to 100% win PF RE vs 10, from level 220
already wrote big post about PF RE, but it is in Inglizh
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The first thing you should autocast on an IWBTH/PFUDOR random encounter is Spark of Life, then Haste, then the rest. Anything else is "wrong".

"wrong" for what? the easier way to win? the faster way to win? or just "wrong"? I almost never use haste before turn 4(but it is still a good option)

@Lement, since my word limit reached the end - your turn has not come yet ^^
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