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Feb 27 2014, 02:33
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holy_demon
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Exquisite Power Armor of SlaughterQuestion Lv9 Item lv4 Capacitor lv1 Juggernaut Should I reforge it? T.T This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 27 2014, 02:34
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Feb 27 2014, 02:35
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Kidays
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Alright I'll get on that thanks, I only have two questions left and I should be set. 1 I wanted to know if I should sell my junk gear or decraft it? And how do I know if the superior gear I have in my inventory is worth making a selling post for or not?
edit: How do I get my weapon looking fancy like the one you posted? When I looked around the forge I saw strength upgrades and stuff but nothing like juggernaut, is that just for finishing the item world with the item?
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Feb 27 2014, 02:54
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Lement
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@Kidays: IW:
@holy_demon: Given the heavy melee weakness against magical skills such as from Celestials, I wouldn't until other armors have at least comparable IWs.
It is only exq, you'll be replacing it sooner or later.
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Feb 27 2014, 03:13
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 27 2014, 11:54)  @Kidays: IW:
@holy_demon: Given the heavy melee weakness against magical skills such as from Celestials, I wouldn't until other armors have at least comparable IWs.
It is only exq, you'll be replacing it sooner or later.
3 other pieces are lv8, one with lv5 jugg and two with lv5 cap I'm going to stick with it for a while. EMAX adb power slaughter doesn't pop up too often. And I don't think I can win bid for EMAX adb mag power slaughter anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 27 2014, 03:15
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Feb 27 2014, 03:29
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 27 2014, 02:54)  @Kidays: IW:
@holy_demon: Given the heavy melee weakness against magical skills such as from Celestials, I wouldn't until other armors have at least comparable IWs.
It is only exq, you'll be replacing it sooner or later.
is there some elemental mitigation more important than others? ie Holy,Dark is better than Fire. currently, i'v 0% Fire mitigation. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 27 2014, 03:40
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(Kidays @ Feb 26 2014, 16:35)  Alright I'll get on that thanks, I only have two questions left and I should be set. 1 I wanted to know if I should sell my junk gear or decraft it? And how do I know if the superior gear I have in my inventory is worth making a selling post for or not?
edit: How do I get my weapon looking fancy like the one you posted? When I looked around the forge I saw strength upgrades and stuff but nothing like juggernaut, is that just for finishing the item world with the item?
Decraft? Do you mean salvaging your equipment? If so, Superior and below you will get at best 1 LG mat at best. From an Exquisite below Lv317, most likely LG sometimes MG mat. Equipment Lv318 and up will have a small chance at getting HG mats but there's no guarantee, even a Mag quality equipment sometimes drop MG mat. Technically speaking, the equipment link Holy_Demon posted has nothing forged into it. Juggernaut and such in blue letters are the potency uncovered by doing IW runs. Those upgrades you saw in the Forge is what forging means and they will show up in red letters.
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Feb 27 2014, 03:44
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Lement
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@malkatmp: Obviously. Holy and Fire are the best, due Celestials and Dragonkins. Do note that Spike shield also provides this resistance.
This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 27 2014, 03:45
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Feb 27 2014, 03:54
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Feb 27 2014, 12:40)  Decraft? Do you mean salvaging your equipment? If so, Superior and below you will get at best 1 LG mat at best. From an Exquisite below Lv317, most likely LG sometimes MG mat. Equipment Lv318 and up will have a small chance at getting HG mats but there's no guarantee, even a Mag quality equipment sometimes drop MG mat.
I once got LG from a Mag equipment (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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Feb 27 2014, 04:18
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 26 2014, 17:54)  I once got LG from a Mag equipment (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) So did I. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) That Power armour of yours has as much ADB as 4 of my Shade. Maybe you should forge some Slaughter bindings into it.
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Feb 27 2014, 04:53
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 27 2014, 09:13)  3 other pieces are lv8, one with lv5 jugg and two with lv5 cap I'm going to stick with it for a while. EMAX adb power slaughter doesn't pop up too often. And I don't think I can win bid for EMAX adb mag power slaughter anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Assume someone selling (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Feb 27 2014, 05:07
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 27 2014, 13:53)  Assume someone selling (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Man I'm really wishing that Power of Balance will be buffed (like I said in the suggest thread - more crit chance in exchange for no acc) so high-level heavy user will stop pouring all their credits into slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The price drops already happen with phase and shade, but not power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 27 2014, 05:08
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Feb 27 2014, 05:47
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 27 2014, 11:07)  Man I'm really wishing that Power of Balance will be buffed (like I said in the suggest thread - more crit chance in exchange for no acc) so high-level heavy user will stop pouring all their credits into slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The price drops already happen with phase and shade, but not power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Even if power balance get buffed, crit chance/damage is just a multiplier. A multiplier require a large base value to make them useful. So, may be instead of 5 * slaughter, 3 * slaughter + 2* balance may be better for DW/2H. But it still cannot make power slaughter less rare, so does their demand (price). QUOTE The price drops already happen with poor phase and shade, but not power sleep.gif The good phase still sell for 20m+ each. FYI, for phase QUOTE Elemental Damage Bonus EDB Suffix 10 15 for power slaughter QUOTE Attack Damage Bonus Slaughter 10 24 It is obvious that good power slaughter is much harder to get compare with phase. And the protection/warding suffix seem to have much higher chance than slaughter/balance. This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 27 2014, 05:52
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Feb 27 2014, 06:32
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 27 2014, 14:47)  Even if power balance get buffed, crit chance/damage is just a multiplier. A multiplier require a large base value to make them useful. So, may be instead of 5 * slaughter, 3 * slaughter + 2* balance may be better for DW/2H. But it still cannot make power slaughter less rare, so does their demand (price).
Crit also guarantee to give procs, and I have my suspiscion that a crit attack can't be missed. It offers more than just attack power. And let's not forget than just being power gives it plenty of base attack. If people can kill fast with full shade (which gives less ADB than any power), they can kill fast with full power balance. The purpose is not to make power slaughter more rare, but to make other choice more appealing, thus lowering demand for power slaughter. Phase Heimdal doesn't become less rare, but Elemental phase becomes good, so naturally Heimdal price will drop QUOTE The good phase still sell for 20m+ each.
FYI, for phase
for power slaughter
It is obvious that good power slaughter is much harder to get compare with phase. And the protection/warding suffix seem to have much higher chance than slaughter/balance.
20m are for REALLY good leg phase with LMAX EDB. Most leg phases go for ~5m. EMAX EDB phase can go for as low as 100k, while SMAX ADB power slaughter can easily go into 500k range, and EMAX power slaughter can easily cross into the mil range. I don't even want to imagine what LMAX Power Slaughter could go for. 100m, maybe? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 27 2014, 06:32
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Feb 27 2014, 06:40
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Lement
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I assume you let yourself be bartered down? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Anyway, unlike with an weapon, you cannot just look at it and check it's ADB and whether it has STR PAB. If I were to wear your BP, I'd lose less than 2% of my overall offensive prowess - not bad - but over 11% of my defensive prowess - unacceptable. Mage, yes, you can judge mostly by single stat - and that stat is mage score. EDB is more important than INT or WIS, but 10% base INT and WIS may beat 10% base EDB for some levels and builds. Meh leg-range holy shoes did go above 20m on their own months ago, and since then there has been inflatation.
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Feb 27 2014, 07:50
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n125
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 26 2014, 20:40)  Meh leg-range holy shoes did go above 20m on their own months ago, and since then there has been inflatation.
20 million for "Legendary" in the name, or was there a sexy prefix? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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Feb 27 2014, 10:23
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Lement
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Frugal, but all Legendaries come with prefix pre-installed.
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Feb 27 2014, 10:51
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habbababba31
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 27 2014, 06:32)  Crit also guarantee to give procs, and I have my suspiscion that a crit attack can't be missed. It offers more than just attack power.
And let's not forget than just being power gives it plenty of base attack. If people can kill fast with full shade (which gives less ADB than any power), they can kill fast with full power balance.
If you want Power of Balance to become more appealing, you need 2H and DW to get buffed. Power of Balance will never be very useful for 1H, as counter-attacks don't get criticals and can't miss + you always land when attacking stunned monsters. Shade's gone down in price because the Pfudor fix effectively nerfed the hell out of it - I've stopped using my shade set even though it's much higher quality than my power set, it just isn't useful anymore. Anyways, high caliber power of balance is pretty rare as well; you don't often see legendary power of balance in the auctions...
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Feb 27 2014, 11:51
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 27 2014, 19:51)  If you want Power of Balance to become more appealing, you need 2H and DW to get buffed. Power of Balance will never be very useful for 1H, as counter-attacks don't get criticals and can't miss + you always land when attacking stunned monsters. Shade's gone down in price because the Pfudor fix effectively nerfed the hell out of it - I've stopped using my shade set even though it's much higher quality than my power set, it just isn't useful anymore.
Anyways, high caliber power of balance is pretty rare as well; you don't often see legendary power of balance in the auctions...
That was meant to be a buff mainly for 2H and DW. 1H doesn't need buff at its current state. The reason 2H and DW is stuggling is because of monster parry/block. Having high crit fixes that. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 27 2014, 11:53
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Feb 27 2014, 11:56
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 27 2014, 10:51)  If you want Power of Balance to become more appealing, you need 2H and DW to get buffed. Power of Balance will never be very useful for 1H, as counter-attacks don't get criticals and can't miss + you always land when attacking stunned monsters. Shade's gone down in price because the Pfudor fix effectively nerfed the hell out of it - I've stopped using my shade set even though it's much higher quality than my power set, it just isn't useful anymore.
Anyways, high caliber power of balance is pretty rare as well; you don't often see legendary power of balance in the auctions...
tbh, i haven't even seen a mag power of balance in the auctions. though, how much crit% & additional crit damage can a full Mag+ power balance set give? (20-30%?)
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Feb 27 2014, 13:10
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habbababba31
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 27 2014, 11:51)  That was meant to be a buff mainly for 2H and DW. 1H doesn't need buff at its current state. The reason 2H and DW is stuggling is because of monster parry/block. Having high crit fixes that.
Only for mace/club, unless you have actual evidence that crits can't be parried. In any case, if they need buffing, they should be buffed more directly (especially if shade is meant to be viable), don't you think? Incidentally, building a balance set to complement my mace has been a mid-level priority of mine for a while now, which is why I've noticed the lack of power of balance available - and on the rare occasions legendaries are available, they do go for several million.
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