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Feb 26 2014, 00:43
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Feb 25 2014, 23:22)  Now ask animeai why they outbid me on a Force Shield that was in every way inferior to one they already had...
no, i've lost hopes... by now when i see an auction one of the first things i do is to check if animeai already bid, in that case i close the topic directly -.-" just remember the Badass Alliance! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) about the imperil question, interesting... i was just about to think that weapon proc were far more effective than it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 26 2014, 00:46
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Feb 26 2014, 01:04
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 26 2014, 09:43)  no, i've lost hopes... by now when i see an auction one of the first things i do is to check if animeai already bid, in that case i close the topic directly -.-" just remember the Badass Alliance! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) about the imperil question, interesting... i was just about to think that weapon proc were far more effective than it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Most of animeai's bid is actually shot-in-the-dark low bid, unless it's something he really wanted.. For example, the force shield he outbade Drakewyn will get to at least 600k mark for the MMAX block, whether it will get to 1m depends on how people like its PMI/MMI/PAB/Interference. FYI, the force shield in his sig costs 4m and that's not a blunder on his part (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Like I mentioned before, 1H is expensive since everyone is on the bandwagon. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 26 2014, 01:07
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Feb 26 2014, 01:13
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 26 2014, 00:04)  Most of animeai's bid is actually shot-in-the-dark low bid, unless it's something he really wanted..
bad thing having money and not to know how to spend it... -.-"
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Feb 26 2014, 01:15
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habbababba31
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 26 2014, 01:04)  For example, the force shield he outbade Drakewyn will get to at least 600k mark for the MMAX block, whether it will get to 1m depends on how people like its PMI/MMI/PAB/Interference.
I hope it doesn't go too high; the main reason I let you get the shield in dreamophobia's auction so cheaply was in hopes of getting the other shield relatively cheap (as presumably there will be one fewer interested bidder...). I'll be annoyed if it turns out I misjudged that situation and still have to go 7 figures for it.
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Feb 26 2014, 01:24
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 26 2014, 00:15)  I hope it doesn't go too high; the main reason I let you get the shield in dreamophobia's auction so cheaply was in hopes of getting the other shield relatively cheap (as presumably there will be one fewer interested bidder...).
I'll be annoyed if it turns out I misjudged that situation and still have to go 7 figures for it.
so you're interested in the other mithril buckler? good to know, one less item to bid then...
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Feb 26 2014, 01:29
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habbababba31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 26 2014, 01:24)  so you're interested in the other mithril buckler? good to know, one less item to bid then...
I was referring to the force shield under discussion...
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Feb 26 2014, 01:36
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 26 2014, 10:15)  I hope it doesn't go too high; the main reason I let you get the shield in dreamophobia's auction so cheaply was in hopes of getting the other shield relatively cheap (as presumably there will be one fewer interested bidder...).
I'll be annoyed if it turns out I misjudged that situation and still have to go 7 figures for it.
Well that was actually my last bid. If you raised it to 1m, I'd have let you have it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I actually prefer a LMAX shield, and the only popped up was snatched away by animeai (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) So yeah, have to settle for MMAX
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Feb 26 2014, 01:41
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 26 2014, 00:29)  I was referring to the force shield under discussion...
whoops, my bad
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Feb 26 2014, 01:41
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Feb 26 2014, 02:36
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Feb 25 2014, 15:41)  The block is a little low for Force, but it's a decent shield overall for an Exq. Oh, and I just did a Schoolgirl arena... Whenever I Imperiled one of the Schoolgirls, I typically did 10-25% more damage per swing on them... both weapon damage & proc. I'm using an Ethereal Mace of the Illithid for schoolgirls, btw. I only had to use 1 potion, and that's 'cause I don't normally Imperil.
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Feb 26 2014, 02:42
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Lement
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Drakewyn: Imperil reduces physical and magical mitigation of monsters, too, not just specific resistances. 10-25% is a bit inaccurate, though, albeit still helps in figuring out their mitigation.
This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 26 2014, 02:43
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Feb 26 2014, 03:35
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Feb 25 2014, 16:36)  The block is a little low for Force, but it's a decent shield overall for an Exq. Oh, and I just did a Schoolgirl arena... Whenever I Imperiled one of the Schoolgirls, I typically did 10-25% more damage per swing on them... both weapon damage & proc. I'm using an Ethereal Mace of the Illithid for schoolgirls, btw. I only had to use 1 potion, and that's 'cause I don't normally Imperil.
Thanks, I'll try to sell it then - I would have salvaged it if the level was bit higher for a chance at obtaining an HG mat. What is the correlation between the Void weapon and Imperil that makes the Void Weapon less effective than the other elemental weapons?
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Feb 26 2014, 03:35
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It is the dawn of a new day! Reflecting on your journey so far, you find that you are a little wiser. You gain 5,855,011 EXP! You gain 236 Credits and 1 Hath
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Feb 26 2014, 04:01
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zeadragon
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Feb 26 2014, 05:22)  Now ask animeai why they outbid me on a Force Shield that was in every way inferior to one they already had...
Cuz 4M-5M for base 36.92 blk is not too expensive, i think. If you mention about the leg force that someone put ot on auction lastweek. This post has been edited by zeadragon: Feb 26 2014, 04:15
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Feb 26 2014, 04:03
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Colman
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QUOTE(habbababba31 @ Feb 26 2014, 07:15)  I hope it doesn't go too high; the main reason I let you get the shield in dreamophobia's auction so cheaply was in hopes of getting the other shield relatively cheap (as presumably there will be one fewer interested bidder...).
I'll be annoyed if it turns out I misjudged that situation and still have to go 7 figures for it.
Now or never (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Just go all in. QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 26 2014, 07:36)  Well that was actually my last bid. If you raised it to 1m, I'd have let you have it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I actually prefer a LMAX shield, and the only popped up was snatched away by animeai (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) So yeah, have to settle for MMAX His shield is Leg_max? I remember it is not, unless he has a few. This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 26 2014, 04:13
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Feb 26 2014, 04:11
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Feb 25 2014, 20:35)  Thanks, I'll try to sell it then - I would have salvaged it if the level was bit higher for a chance at obtaining an HG mat.
What is the correlation between the Void weapon and Imperil that makes the Void Weapon less effective than the other elemental weapons?
nothing really. imperil makes your elemental strike do more damage, but if both are at level 10 it's irrelevant.
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Feb 26 2014, 05:04
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animeai
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When I bought it, the shield had a single binding on it which put the block at above LMax. I didn't do the maths to work out if it was originally LMax or just below mind... Also, my auction bids 95% of the time don't win XD. From most of the auctions you see me bid on 10+ items, I'll perhaps end up with 2-3 of them max. As I said before, my offers are mostly lowball "lets see if I get this cheap" bids unless I really want the item.
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Feb 26 2014, 05:31
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(zeadragon @ Feb 25 2014, 18:01)  Cuz 4M-5M for base 36.92 blk is not too expensive, i think.
If you mention about the leg force that someone put ot on auction lastweek.
No, it was just a Mag force, which is why it really surprised me... the one in his sig is so much better. QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 25 2014, 16:42)  Drakewyn: Imperil reduces physical and magical mitigation of monsters, too, not just specific resistances. 10-25% is a bit inaccurate, though, albeit still helps in figuring out their mitigation.
True... but I'm not doing a comprehensive study. Just some random comparisons to let me know that Imperil really is worth doing more often for me. QUOTE(zen_zen @ Feb 25 2014, 17:35)  Thanks, I'll try to sell it then - I would have salvaged it if the level was bit higher for a chance at obtaining an HG mat.
What is the correlation between the Void weapon and Imperil that makes the Void Weapon less effective than the other elemental weapons?
Well, a non-Ethereal weapon suffer from the monster's specific mitigations (some are good against slashing, etc.) while an Ethereal weapon ignores those. However, as Lement noted, Imperil reduces the overall mitigations, which do affect Ethereal weapons. Other elemental weapons, suffer from the monster's specific mitigations (some are good against fire, some are poor against holy, etc.) while the Void damage from an Ethereal weapon ignores those. So non-Ethereal weapons are helped more by Imperil because of the reduction of those specific mitigations... which Ethereal weapons are already ignoring. Imperil still does help though, especially against monsters with highly chaos'ed defenses.
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Feb 26 2014, 05:52
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^For melee, imperil is the poor man's PA. I'm not a mace user, but unless it's changed, as I understand it, you're supposed to be using skill chain great cleave=> rending blow for mace, instead of (I assume you're using) spirit stance. 3x PA will net you more damage than any maxed imperil.
Although I'm guessing the short duration is a disadvantage for bosses, you can use both PA + imperil then.
Outside of REs, RoB, and marathons though, there's little incentive to use imperil for melees. Well I do use it on occasion when for whatever reason i feel like running club/waki instead of club/raper for DW Pfudor.
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Feb 26 2014, 06:25
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zen_zen
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Thanks all for your responses. So it's not a case of Imperil making Void less effective, rather it's the other Elementals benefiting more from Imperil's spell effect. Personally, I do not use Imperil, I spam Weaken religiously with the occasional Silence thrown in for the toughest mobs.
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