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Feb 24 2014, 12:34
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 21:28)  I wear full power of prot. of various quality (exq. to leg.).
I have RR and 15 slots unlocked long time ago. I equip 8 mana pots and 7 spirit. I use 2 enchants on rapier. ???
Well start mixing in slaughter. It doesn't have to be Mag. It just needs good ADB, Str, and Dex. If you start having spirit problem. Start IW your piece for Juggernaut OFC = Orbital Friendship Cannon. You get it from collecting 21 figurines (and the reason why figurine is getting more expense, due to 1H's popularity). It's 1H's main AOE instant clear, due to its abundant OC, and it can pretty much halve your average turn/round This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 24 2014, 12:37
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Feb 24 2014, 12:36
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(animeai @ Feb 24 2014, 00:47)  I wouldn't worry about disabling haste - that one is still pretty important, especially in PFUDOR. Depending on your armor (light vs heavy), if you're using shade then shadow veil will give you a good boost. If you're using shielding or power then you're not really going to be boosting your negligible evade much so it's probably a waste of MP.
This is incorrect. I have an evade of 0.3% in my 1h-heavy setup. With Shadow Veil, I have an evade of 25.3% Protection & Shadow Veil are not multipliers for your existing defenses, they are additives. A 1-in-4 Evade chance is much, much better than a 3-in-1000 evade chance.
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Feb 24 2014, 12:39
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HNTI
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QUOTE Well start mixing in slaughter. It doesn't have to be Mag. It just needs good ADB, Str, and Dex. If you start having spirit problem. Start IW your piece for Juggernaut
OFC = Orbital Friendship Cannon. You get it from collecting 21 figurines (and the reason why figurine is getting more expense, due to 1H's popularity). It's 1H's main AOE instant clear, due to its abundant OC. It pretty much halve your average turn/round @Slaughter : I'm thinking about doing some shopping, but I'm a bit short on money right now. @OFC : Still quite long way to go as I have only 13 out of 21 figurines (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .
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Feb 24 2014, 12:43
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 21:39)  @Slaughter : I'm thinking about doing some shopping, but I'm a bit short on money right now.d @OFC : Still quite long way to go as I have only 13 out of 21 figurines (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Well 1H is not a cheap style, with Rapier, Power Slaughter and Figurines all having crazy inflation (while everything else is being deflate (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) ) For the moment, use featherweight then, and maybe use 10 mana pot/5 spirit pot if you're not having spirit problem (you shouldn't, since you're using protection). Also, since you're playing IWBTH, try disabling Haste or SV if you don't have to use Cure much. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 24 2014, 12:48
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Feb 24 2014, 12:46
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HNTI
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QUOTE Well 1H is not a cheap style, with Rapier, Power Slaughter and Figurines are all having crazy inflation (while everything else is being deflated sleep.gif ) It's still probably way cheaper than maging or light shade (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). I have my steady income in artifacts (~ 5 per day), but recently got a bit tired of arena + a bit depressed over PRUDOR fix. This post has been edited by HNTI: Feb 24 2014, 12:47
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Feb 24 2014, 12:49
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Colman
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 18:46)  It's still probably way cheaper than maging or light shade (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). I have my steady income in artifacts (~ 5 per day), but recently got a bit tired of arena + a bit depressed over PRUDOR fix. You can use axe instead of rapier which is much cheaper. @LazyShd For the question about Crystal perk vs LotD, it is depended on your playing style and the current level of both. LotD is useful only if you play on the highest difficult (i.e. PF), while crystal perk is always useful. For general use, it is easier to consider their price. The cost for Crystal perk 1 (250hath ~ 2M credits) is similar to LotD 22>23. But a single level of LotD do not give more bazaar credit than Crystal perk 1 (double the crystals). So, if your LotD is >= 22, I recommend Crystal perk 1. For Crystal perk 2/3 vs LotD 25. Crystal perk 2/3 is hard to pay itself back without GF. On the other hand, LotD 25 have a better chance to pay itself back immediately if you are lucky enough by getting a good drop. So, LotD 25 > Crystal perk 2/3, if you do not play GF. If you play GF alot, a week is enough for Crystal perk 2/3 to pay itself back. e.g. cat lover. This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 24 2014, 13:07
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Feb 24 2014, 12:55
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HNTI
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I have a decent rapier 1h + I lack an axe which is superior to this one, let alone losing tons of parry after swapping it to axe.
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Feb 24 2014, 13:05
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 21:46)  It's still probably way cheaper than maging or light shade (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). I have my steady income in artifacts (~ 5 per day), but recently got a bit tired of arena + a bit depressed over PRUDOR fix. Power slaughter is currently the only piece of exquisite quality (with good rolls) that could break the 1m mark. I don't even want to imagine how much a Leg power slaughter could go for. Shade and Phase have become cheaper since the difference between different suffixes aren't nearly as large as power slaughter and other power. You should do PFUDOR arena (which shouldn't be a problem at your level), I get ~300-500k from credit drops and bazaaring trashes alone, And it has the highest chance of getting decent drops
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Feb 24 2014, 13:15
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 24 2014, 14:49)  You can use axe instead of rapier which is much cheaper.
@LazyShd For the question about Crystal perk vs LotD, it is depended on your playing style and the current level of both. LotD is useful only if you play on the highest difficult (i.e. PF), while crystal perk is always useful.
For general use, it is easier to consider their price.
The cost for Crystal perk 1 (250hath ~ 2M credits) is similar to LotD 22>23. But a single level of LotD do not give more bazaar credit than Crystal perk 1 (double the crystals). So, if your LotD is >= 22, I recommend Crystal perk 1.
For Crystal perk 2/3 vs LotD 25. Crystal perk 2/3 is hard to pay itself back without GF. On the other hand, LotD 25 have a better chance to pay itself back immediately if you are lucky enough by getting a good drop. So, LotD 25 > Crystal perk 2/3, if you do not play GF.
If you play GF alot, a week is enough for Crystal perk 2/3 to pay itself back. e.g. cat lover.
Thanks alot for the detailed answer. I have only one thing to ask about "LotD is useful only if you play on the highest difficult (i.e. PF)" is it really that much useless if i play on IWBTH?
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Feb 24 2014, 13:15
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HNTI
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QUOTE You should do PFUDOR arena (which shouldn't be a problem at your level), I get ~300-500k from credit drops and bazaaring trashes alone, And it has the highest chance of getting decent drops I can relatively safely PFUDOR arenas up to 50-60 rounds. Later on mana consumption ruins things (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). I was mostly thinking about mag. power of slaughter not leg. ones as these seem to pop up for 500k+ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
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Feb 24 2014, 13:23
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 22:15)  I can relatively safely PFUDOR arenas up to 50-60 rounds. Later on mana consumption ruins things (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). I was mostly thinking about mag. power of slaughter not leg. ones as these seem to pop up for 500k+ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). With power slaughter, what matters the most is this value: ADB+2*Str+Dex, not the quality. Even exq can be expensive with good roll on that value. You can try to snipe for power slaughter with 2ADB Str and Dex, they tend to lose a lot of value because they lack End, which shouldn't be a problem with you, or piece with low ADB and high Str/Dex, since a lot of people overlook PAB stats. For illustration, I paid 1m for Exquisite Power Armor of Slaughter and 300k for Magnificent Cobalt Power Armor of SlaughterThis post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 24 2014, 13:32
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Feb 24 2014, 13:25
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holy_demon
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double posted
This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 24 2014, 13:27
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Feb 24 2014, 13:32
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 24 2014, 15:23)  With power slaughter, what matters the most is this value: ADB+2*Str+Dex
I would say ADB+1.5*Str+Dex, because on high levels each point of Str does not give +2 to attack base damage.
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Feb 24 2014, 13:57
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HNTI
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For now I'm just window shopping. I'll be looking for something around 22 ADB+ (+500 DMG at my level).
This post has been edited by HNTI: Feb 24 2014, 13:58
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Feb 24 2014, 13:58
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Colman
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Feb 24 2014, 19:15)  Thanks alot for the detailed answer. I have only one thing to ask about "LotD is useful only if you play on the highest difficult (i.e. PF)" is it really that much useless if i play on IWBTH?
I raise my LotD from 22 to 25 not too long ago. My drop in Hell GF do not have much change. The Bazaar value is always ~50k each. However, the PF GF give much better drop with these 3 level of LotD. QUOTE(HNTI @ Feb 24 2014, 19:57)  For now I'm just window shopping. I'll be looking for something around 22 ADB+ (+500 DMG at my level).
like this? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 24 2014, 14:00
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Feb 24 2014, 14:22
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HNTI
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QUOTE like this? rolleyes.gif Sort of, lack of the 3rd PAB = less PMI. I might overlooked it if it was mag., but exq ? This post has been edited by HNTI: Feb 24 2014, 14:23
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Feb 24 2014, 14:23
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SPoison
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Feb 24 2014, 03:32)  I would say ADB+1.5*Str+Dex, because on high levels each point of Str does not give +2 to attack base damage.
What? Explain please.
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Feb 24 2014, 14:29
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Colman
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Feb 24 2014, 20:23)  What? Explain please.
It is a log function for str and dex in the ABD equation. When str/dex =0, each str give 2 ADB, and each dex give 1 ADB. When str/dex getting higher, a point of str give < 2 ADB (around 1.5 ADB at my level, depended on 2*str+dex ).
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Feb 24 2014, 14:30
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Feb 24 2014, 23:23)  What? Explain please.
QUOTE Base physical damage = (log(3330 + STR * 2 + DEX , 1.0003) - 27039.81) + (weapon_prof * TYPE) + (equip_Attack_Damage_Bonus)
Logarithmic function. At STR = DEX = 400, each point of STR adds 1.47 PD, and each point of DEX adds 0.74 PD This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 24 2014, 14:33
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Feb 24 2014, 14:32
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Feb 24 2014, 21:23)  What? Explain please.
Because of the fomula (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Base physical damage = ( log(3330 + STR * 2 + DEX , 1.0003) - 27039.81) + (weapon_prof * TYPE) + (equip_Attack_Damage_Bonus)
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