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post Feb 23 2014, 07:35
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 23 2014, 12:31) *

The easiest/cheapest way to fight in IWBTH/PF is to switch your rapier with a force shield. However, it is slow at your level.


thanks for the suggestion!
is there any other viable options?

because i don't have a force shield . . . .

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post Feb 23 2014, 07:54
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QUOTE(Ennma @ Feb 23 2014, 16:35) *

thanks for the suggestion!
is there any other viable options?

because i don't have a force shield . . . .


DW rapier/shortsword of nimble with full leather? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Feb 23 2014, 08:17
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QUOTE(Ennma @ Feb 23 2014, 07:35) *

thanks for the suggestion!
is there any other viable options?

because i don't have a force shield . . . .


imo, your current set up is fine. however, i think one of your biggest goal right now is lvling up as fast as possible. iirc, doing a dozen Random Encounters @hell+ some arena runs can easily lvl you up 3-5times a day.

of course, you should slowly switch from Superior => Exquisite => Mag, but that's secondary. i'll just use all the credits for more potion slows (ie Pack Rat training).
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post Feb 23 2014, 08:41
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QUOTE(Ennma @ Feb 23 2014, 13:35) *

thanks for the suggestion!
is there any other viable options?

because i don't have a force shield . . . .

Other option require a change in 5 piece of your armor.
e.g. full plate of protection/full leather of protection.
A single force shield should be cheaper.

If you want to give Axe + force shield a try, I can give you one (poor quality) for testing.
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post Feb 23 2014, 12:54
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Would items like these be worth anything?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=16b5deabce

and

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=198a0aa998

and

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e83c72cd89

EDIT: Wait a minute, proficiency does NOT give damage anymore for spells?
No wonder maging with this setup has been so horrendous.

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post Feb 23 2014, 13:37
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QUOTE(Ennma @ Feb 23 2014, 04:51) *

hey guys. i'm currently playing on nintendo diificulty. but i want to try to clear some of the arena in iwtbh or pfudor. what changes should i make?

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post Feb 23 2014, 14:23
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 23 2014, 12:54) *

DW rapier/shortsword of nimble with full leather? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


okay. i try it. never really tried another dw combination beside axe/rapier

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 23 2014, 13:17) *

imo, your current set up is fine. however, i think one of your biggest goal right now is lvling up as fast as possible. iirc, doing a dozen Random Encounters @hell+ some arena runs can easily lvl you up 3-5times a day.

of course, you should slowly switch from Superior => Exquisite => Mag, but that's secondary. i'll just use all the credits for more potion slows (ie Pack Rat training).


thanks for the suggestion!

QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 23 2014, 13:41) *

Other option require a change in 5 piece of your armor.
e.g. full plate of protection/full leather of protection.
A single force shield should be cheaper.

If you want to give Axe + force shield a try, I can give you one (poor quality) for testing.


oh thanks! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'll test it. i will post the result

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and use ALL the EXP points you gain (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


will do! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Feb 23 2014, 14:32
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Another question:
is this normal:
Die with SoL up.
SoL procs, I get shielded for some amount of turns.
But I die before the shield is up which procs SoL again, and when the original shield's duration is up the shield is gone? At least this is what seemed to happen to me: SoL shield last for like 1 turn, maybe two at most.

PFUDOR random encounters seem impossible for me to do. I get killed from >50% life in one turn even with the SoL shield buff up.
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post Feb 23 2014, 14:39
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QUOTE(Ennma @ Feb 23 2014, 23:23) *

okay. i try it. never really tried another dw combination beside axe/rapier


That's a turtle combo, and you won't be happy with the extremely slow kill speed. Also, in PFUDOR, club/rapier > axe/rapier, both offensively and defensively

Frankly, going 1H+force shield is just more economical. If you can't afford force shield, just get some cheap buckler of barrier,

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post Feb 23 2014, 14:51
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QUOTE(blueeyedcolossus @ Feb 23 2014, 14:32) *

Another question:
is this normal:
Die with SoL up.
SoL procs, I get shielded for some amount of turns.
But I die before the shield is up which procs SoL again, and when the original shield's duration is up the shield is gone? At least this is what seemed to happen to me: SoL shield last for like 1 turn, maybe two at most.

PFUDOR random encounters seem impossible for me to do. I get killed from >50% life in one turn even with the SoL shield buff up.


as i understand it, SoL proc Shield just provides immunity during proc turn and then increase your defense for a couple turns. So you can still die, if you didn't heal up quickly.

also, since you're lv250 you should try Spirit Shield (maybe in combination with Sol on higher difficulties).
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post Feb 23 2014, 14:51
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QUOTE(blueeyedcolossus @ Feb 23 2014, 13:32) *

Another question:
is this normal:
Die with SoL up.
SoL procs, I get shielded for some amount of turns.
But I die before the shield is up which procs SoL again, and when the original shield's duration is up the shield is gone? At least this is what seemed to happen to me: SoL shield last for like 1 turn, maybe two at most.

PFUDOR random encounters seem impossible for me to do. I get killed from >50% life in one turn even with the SoL shield buff up.

SoL is a 'oh shit! OH SHITTTTT!' buff (holy_demon cit, if i remember right): this means that when it will be casted, you need to run to repair it because you've already died once: cure, protection, regen, debuffs...
furthermore, i think you already know it, but i remind you that it requires half of your SP base tank to process, and if it happens you see the bar change colour.
to be honest though, i tried PF RE only once, and usually i prefer to do them at Nintendo or so, scoring a medium but almost sure point is always better than daring all and gaining nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 23 2014, 13:51) *

as i understand it, SoL proc Shield just provides immunity during proc turn and then increase your defense for a couple turns. So you can still die, if you didn't heal up quickly.

yeah, just what intended!

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post Feb 23 2014, 14:59
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QUOTE(blueeyedcolossus @ Feb 23 2014, 16:32) *

Another question:
is this normal:
Die with SoL up.
SoL procs, I get shielded for some amount of turns.
But I die before the shield is up which procs SoL again, and when the original shield's duration is up the shield is gone? At least this is what seemed to happen to me: SoL shield last for like 1 turn, maybe two at most.

PFUDOR random encounters seem impossible for me to do. I get killed from >50% life in one turn even with the SoL shield buff up.

key to PFUDOR is not the SoL but Spirit Shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) +and weaken\silence debuffs
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post Feb 23 2014, 16:08
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Feb 23 2014, 14:59) *

key to PFUDOR is not the SoL but Spirit Shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) +and weaken\silence debuffs


never really used weaken\silence debuffs. So... ...how do you use them? only on Bosses?
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post Feb 23 2014, 16:19
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 23 2014, 15:08) *

never really used weaken\silence debuffs. So... ...how do you use them? only on Bosses?

i use them also on every RE in which there are 9 or 10 mobs: first haste, then silence on first three, slow on other three, weaken on other two... this way i have to deal only with two mobs at time
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post Feb 23 2014, 16:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 23 2014, 16:19) *

i use them also on every RE in which there are 9 or 10 mobs: first haste, then silence on first three, slow on other three, weaken on other two... this way i have to deal only with two mobs at time


wait, you could silence/weaken/slow more than 1 target? do i need really high proficiency for that (ie 200+?) though, recently i've switched to 1H + heavy and i need to parry/blocks.


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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 23 2014, 18:19) *

i use them also on every RE in which there are 9 or 10 mobs: first haste, then silence on first three, slow on other three, weaken on other two... this way i have to deal only with two mobs at time

I use debuffs only on RE, on every RE i just buff all the buffs I can then stun everyone with like 3 mace hits then weaken everyone (by 3 monseters per cast) and then silence 3 more at the bottom or top (which you can hardly get with domino strike), then hit some more to get more overcharge, then turn spirit stance on and finish everything with mousemelee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

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wait, you could silence/weaken/slow more than 1 target? do i need really high proficiency for that (ie 200+?)

number of targets affected and cooldown is determined by spent ability points on according stuff
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post Feb 23 2014, 16:44
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 23 2014, 14:51) *

as i understand it, SoL proc Shield just provides immunity during proc turn and then increase your defense for a couple turns. So you can still die, if you didn't heal up quickly.

also, since you're lv250 you should try Spirit Shield (maybe in combination with Sol on higher difficulties).


QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 23 2014, 14:51) *

SoL is a 'oh shit! OH SHITTTTT!' buff (holy_demon cit, if i remember right): this means that when it will be casted, you need to run to repair it because you've already died once: cure, protection, regen, debuffs...
furthermore, i think you already know it, but i remind you that it requires half of your SP base tank to process, and if it happens you see the bar change colour.
to be honest though, i tried PF RE only once, and usually i prefer to do them at Nintendo or so, scoring a medium but almost sure point is always better than daring all and gaining nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
yeah, just what intended!


I know what you guys are saying but you misunderstood me.

What I'm saying is that the defensive buff from SoL was shorter for me this time when it was reapplied by another SoL before the last one wore off. I know how it's supposed to work, but I didn't know that if you get Cloak of the Fallen again it can wear off when the original cloak should have worn off when it gets reprocced.

Also Spirit Shield seems to do absolutely nothing for me. Only times it ever goes off is when I get one shot anyway.
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post Feb 23 2014, 17:43
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Is it fair to say that Leather & Plate equipment is the equivalent of cotton? Just trying to figure out how pricing works.
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post Feb 23 2014, 17:52
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QUOTE(darkx @ Feb 23 2014, 23:43) *

Is it fair to say that Leather & Plate equipment is the equivalent of cotton? Just trying to figure out how pricing works.

Cotton are more or less just for recycle. The only exception is the top tie holy/dark proficiency one.
Leather was bad before, and not so bad now after some buff to leather and nerf to plate. But plate is still more popular.

So, plate > leather >> cotton in pricing.

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