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post Feb 21 2014, 18:58
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not to say mine
when you've decided a price, please tell me, i could be interested (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 21 2014, 19:02
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I second that. I'm also interested, when you have a price >.<
Also, I need advice. I'm a DW Light player atm, and I'm trying to decide what to do with weapons.
Armour is quite good, full set of superior shade fleet (some exquisite, some shadowdancer, dm), but I'm struggling to find a good weapon loadout.
I'm content with my offhand shortsword but for main hand I'm kinda on the edge of whether to go for an ethereal rapier or perhaps club, or whatever else may be even more effective.
What do the experts say on this?
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post Feb 21 2014, 20:02
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QUOTE(Some Stuffer @ Feb 21 2014, 18:02) *

I second that. I'm also interested, when you have a price >.<
Also, I need advice. I'm a DW Light player atm, and I'm trying to decide what to do with weapons.
Armour is quite good, full set of superior shade fleet (some exquisite, some shadowdancer, dm), but I'm struggling to find a good weapon loadout.
I'm content with my offhand shortsword but for main hand I'm kinda on the edge of whether to go for an ethereal rapier or perhaps club, or whatever else may be even more effective.
What do the experts say on this?

well, first of all you have to decide what effect do you want: double bleeding wound, penetrated armor or stun, then i suggst you to make experiments with a non-ethereal one just to see if you're fine with it, judgin' from the prices of rapiers and clubs nowadays. i said 'double bleeding wound' because axes are the 1H weapons with the highest damage, and you told you want to keep a shortsword...

and finally, i've said this also if you didn't say you'd be interested in that rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Feb 21 2014, 20:02
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QUOTE(Some Stuffer @ Feb 21 2014, 19:02) *

I second that. I'm also interested, when you have a price >.<
Also, I need advice. I'm a DW Light player atm, and I'm trying to decide what to do with weapons.
Armour is quite good, full set of superior shade fleet (some exquisite, some shadowdancer, dm), but I'm struggling to find a good weapon loadout.
I'm content with my offhand shortsword but for main hand I'm kinda on the edge of whether to go for an ethereal rapier or perhaps club, or whatever else may be even more effective.
What do the experts say on this?


niten!
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post Feb 21 2014, 20:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 21 2014, 21:02) *

well, first of all you have to decide what effect do you want: double bleeding wound, penetrated armor or stun, then i suggst you to make experiments with a non-ethereal one just to see if you're fine with it, judgin' from the prices of rapiers and clubs nowadays. i said 'double bleeding wound' because axes are the 1H weapons with the highest damage, and you told you want to keep a shortsword...

and finally, i've said this also if you didn't say you'd be interested in that rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Haha, well, I've already got two shortswords. My main one is ethereal and double bleeding seems like it isn't the best way to go.
I'm thinking what the most effective one would be. Shortswords have got good accuracy and parry but if I had a rapier then the parry would be a lot higher, and I like the idea of higher survivability as well as efficiency by having two different procs.
And I don't want to try Niten Ichiryu yet as I'm trying to get my proficiencies up still, and my 2H prof is 0 and I don't have enough ability points to start going into 2H as well as all the others etc. etc.
Niten feels like a kinda endgame style, not for someone like me at level 100.
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post Feb 21 2014, 20:50
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QUOTE(Some Stuffer @ Feb 22 2014, 02:24) *

Haha, well, I've already got two shortswords. My main one is ethereal and double bleeding seems like it isn't the best way to go.
I'm thinking what the most effective one would be. Shortswords have got good accuracy and parry but if I had a rapier then the parry would be a lot higher, and I like the idea of higher survivability as well as efficiency by having two different procs.
And I don't want to try Niten Ichiryu yet as I'm trying to get my proficiencies up still, and my 2H prof is 0 and I don't have enough ability points to start going into 2H as well as all the others etc. etc.
Niten feels like a kinda endgame style, not for someone like me at level 100.

Just reset the ability. It is free atm. Dual shortsword is too slow IMO.
I believe Exq shortsword/axe of slaughter + Exq rapier of balance can make your killing speed much higher than your Leq swordsword + whatever mainhand weapon.
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:02
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Is it me or is Hentaiverse quite slow since a few days?

I dont know why but since a few days i have some laggs there it sometimes works normally and fast but sometimes its like it freezes for a few seconds before the next attack(reload of the site).
And sometimes it doesnt even load anymore(it tries to load the page infinite but cant) and just freeze and I need to manually reload the whole page again.

My Internet and browser work fine(I didnt change anything) its just on hentaiverse and just since a few days it worked perfectly before that without any laggs.


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post Feb 21 2014, 21:06
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Club for mainhand. Send me an mooglemail and I'll drop you one of my spares since I've got spares.

Give it a try... the kill speed is a little slower than Axe, but the survivability goes through the roof if you spread the Stunning around.

Mace makes for a good 2h trainer for the same reason.
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:12
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QUOTE(Bonebuster @ Feb 21 2014, 23:02) *

Is it me or is Hentaiverse quite slow since a few days?

I dont know why but since a few days i have some laggs there it sometimes works normally and fast but sometimes its like it freezes for a few seconds before the next attack(reload of the site).
And sometimes it doesnt even load anymore(it tries to load the page infinite but cant) and just freeze and I need to manually reload the whole page again.

My Internet and browser work fine(I didnt change anything) its just on hentaiverse and just since a few days it worked perfectly before that without any laggs.

I have the same problem for the last two days, i was thinking that something wrong at my internet provider...
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:24
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 21 2014, 05:22) *

is there a script that automatically tells you whether an equipment is Block: Mag or WD:Mag-1 or what not?

if yes, which one?



Tried finding the post but couldn't.

Go here though: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

And search for "HentaiVerse Equipment Comparison".
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:36
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Feb 21 2014, 20:12) *

I have the same problem for the last two days, i was thinking that something wrong at my internet provider...



Ok its good to know that Im not the only one. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
If there are more than us that would mean that its a server problem maybe overloaded or something like that.
But I didnt see anyone complain about that so I thought it was me....

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post Feb 21 2014, 21:46
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@Some Stuffer: with a shortsword with that accuracy as offhand, probably a club would be a good choice (one less, yay! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ); other option, if you want to try a rapier of slaughter, i can lend you one (even though they're a bit crappy -.-" )

@all the others: these days the speed of the rounds sometimes is really meh even with low pings... i was doing a level 20 arena but it lasted like a SG one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:54
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 21 2014, 21:50) *

Just reset the ability. It is free atm. Dual shortsword is too slow IMO.
I believe Exq shortsword/axe of slaughter + Exq rapier of balance can make your killing speed much higher than your Leq swordsword + whatever mainhand weapon.


I currently have a Superior Ethereal Shortsword of Slaughter for main.
Shortswords do more damage than rapiers, although not as much as axes, so I'm currently running shortsword of slaughter/shortsword of balance, which is pretty much one of your suggestions except the legendary shortsword I'm running definitely does more damage than a rapier of balance would.
I don't really understand why it would make killing faster if I swapped it for a rapier. Even when I swap it for my exq rapier of slaughter the kill speed isn't higher as accuracy (dw proc chance) drops greatly for only +30 base damage.
I guess it would probably be smart to swap my main hand weapon for something else - like an axe - but I'm still debating whether 2xBleeding is as efficient/effective as, say, bleeding + penetrated armor or stun etc.
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post Feb 21 2014, 21:57
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 21 2014, 22:46) *

@Some Stuffer: with a shortsword with that accuracy as offhand, probably a club would be a good choice (one less, yay! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ); other option, if you want to try a rapier of slaughter, i can lend you one (even though they're a bit crappy -.-" )


Yeah, I'll try a club like Drakewyn suggested. If I can survive an IWBTH random encounter, or a Battletoads with >8 mobs, (basically if the stun proc saves my ass) I'll switch to club... But I won't give up that rapier so easily!
But if I'm not 100% sure on the club I'll borrow your rapier to see if I find it more effective, thank you.
//sorry for the double post :<
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post Feb 21 2014, 22:45
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Feb 21 2014, 22:06) *

Club for mainhand. Send me an mooglemail and I'll drop you one of my spares since I've got spares.

Give it a try... the kill speed is a little slower than Axe, but the survivability goes through the roof if you spread the Stunning around.

Mace makes for a good 2h trainer for the same reason.


Funnily enough, I keep my club as offhand in DW - I find the PA proc from my rapier to be more beneficial since you can't refresh stun... might just be me and my setup mind XD

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post Feb 21 2014, 23:11
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QUOTE(animeai @ Feb 21 2014, 12:45) *

Funnily enough, I keep my club as offhand in DW - I find the PA proc from my rapier to be more beneficial since you can't refresh stun... might just be me and my setup mind XD


Yes, but you have godly gear compared to mine.

Plus, when facing many monsters, there's almost always one monster that isn't stunned at any given time... so I bash that one until he's stunned, and by then another monster is either not stunned or about to come out of being stunned. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 21 2014, 23:12
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Feb 22 2014, 00:11) *

Yes, but you have godly gear compared to mine.

Plus, when facing many monsters, there's almost always one monster that isn't stunned at any given time... so I bash that one until he's stunned, and by then another monster is either not stunned or about to come out of being stunned. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


I tend to concentrate on the "dangerous" monsters first. Usually those with the highest HP indicates they're chaosed, of if I see "In Memory Of..." they HAVE to die first. Another dangerous one seems to be Balrog.

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QUOTE(animeai @ Feb 21 2014, 13:12) *

I tend to concentrate on the "dangerous" monsters first. Usually those with the highest HP indicates they're chaosed, of if I see "In Memory Of..." they HAVE to die first. Another dangerous one seems to be Balrog.


Oh, I agree completely.

The other reason I use a Club is that my Axe really isn't that much better
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post Feb 21 2014, 23:23
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Eh... Tried the club. Didn't work.
Definitely helped in the early stages of the encounter where I'm trying to build overcharge so I can spirit and start killing, but without a high proc chance or elemental damage it didn't last very long, because as soon as I started trying to actually kill the damage was too low. So it can't reliably kill or disable enough enemies fast enough and I inevitably got insta-gib'd.
But perhaps that's because the club was very... Plain. Perhaps one with good proc and preferably ethereal could stun multiple enemies and kill some off without the others waking up and getting the free turn.
Especially with Haste a long (4 turn-ish) proc could last long enough to give you 6+ free hits, which with a high damage club will be enough to kill most things.
In combination with penetrated armor or a good axe it really could be just free high damage hits all around.
So, to sum up:
A high damage club with good proc and an element, paired with a high damage axe or a rapier also with good proc may be the best loadout for DW. The problem lies in that neither a club nor an axe have good accuracy/parry so if they were in off-hand you could not be able to utilize them (considering how DW works), while rapiers DO have good stats there...
Therefore, in conclusion:
The most efficient DW setup would be - Main Hand: Elemental Club of Slaughter (with high proc chance & duration) + Offhand: Elemental Rapier of Balance/Nimble (also preferably with good proc stats).
HOWEVER this only really applies where enemies are a danger; if one is just looking for fast killing on a low difficulty, it would probably be a good idea to swap out the club for an axe as an axe will do more damage meaning more 1-hit kills, meaning easier credit grinding or whatever you're doing at normal difficulty.
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post Feb 22 2014, 00:17
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oh, well, it seems already obvious that i'll have to fight for that rapier so take this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
it is surely true that with low HP remaining and a bleeding wound you can let a monster die alone, while with stun/PA you still need another hit but as high an axe damage can seem, it still remain inferior to the damage given, just saying, by a shortsword to a PA/stunned enemy...
many people also think that the good setup could be club of slaughter as main hand and a rapier of balance/slaughter as offhand, and actually you can have the best of both worlds losing only a 100ish damage points compared to an axe-based set... i don't have weapons opimized for the opposite combination though, so i can't give feedback about that...

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