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Is there any point to doing Hellfest if you can do PFUDORfest to round 200? Less stamina use, more crystal bonus, better drop :/

I like hellfest because:
1. No need to pay attention to play. Hellfest is very safe place now unless I forget to cast Regen right time.
I can watch animation or youtube videos playing HV. But I can't do it on IWBTHfest+.
Multitasking enables me to do a lot of GF runs without going crazy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

2. Running GF is not only for crystals, but also for other drops for me.
Artifacts, shards, and tokens are also valuable, and as you know, they are based on how many monsters killed.
Even if I could get 2x more crystals on PFUDORfest with 1.5x time, I' ll do 1.5 hellfest run during that time for other drops.

What about crystals, how much more over the base of 3x crystals for PFUDOR?

I don't keep track of crystal drops, sry :/

I like hellfest because:
1. No need to pay attention to play. Hellfest is very safe place now unless I forget to cast Regen right time.
I can watch animation or youtube videos playing HV. But I can't do it on IWBTHfest+.
Multitasking enables me to do a lot of GF runs without going crazy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

2. Running GF is not only for crystals, but also for other drops for me.
Artifacts, shards, and tokens are also valuable, and as you know, they are based on how many monsters killed.
Even if I could get 2x more crystals on PFUDORfest with 1.5x time, I' ll do 1.5 hellfest run during that time for other drops.

I actually run GF for equip drops actually, a ~200 PFUDORfest run could give me 50-100k credit just from selling trash equip, and I'm not counting the sellable mag/exq with good rolls

Trashes from hellfest is significantly less valuable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 17 2014, 11:37

I like hellfest because:
1. No need to pay attention to play. Hellfest is very safe place now unless I forget to cast Regen right time.
I can watch animation or youtube videos playing HV. But I can't do it on IWBTHfest+.
Multitasking enables me to do a lot of GF runs without going crazy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

2. Running GF is not only for crystals, but also for other drops for me.
Artifacts, shards, and tokens are also valuable, and as you know, they are based on how many monsters killed.
Even if I could get 2x more crystals on PFUDORfest with 1.5x time, I' ll do 1.5 hellfest run during that time for other drops.

I don't really play grindfest (yet), but how often would you say you get magnificent/legendary drops?

I don't keep track of crystal drops, sry :/
I actually run GF for equip drops actually, a ~200 PFUDORfest run could give me 50-100k credit just from selling trash equip, and I'm not counting the sellable mag/exq with good rolls

Trashes from hellfest is significantly less valuable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Hellfest 1 run also gives me 50k+ credits by just selling crappy equips, but yes, leg/mag is not often show up on hell difficulty, and needs longer time and more stamina than 200 rounds of PFUDORfest. It depends on each person, but it also deserves consideration after hearing you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I don't really play grindfest (yet), but how often would you say you get magnificent/legendary drops?

Not exactly, but I think 2~3 mags on 1 hellfest run, and 1 leg on 2~3 runs.
The problem is that almost of them are leather or cotton. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

is there a way to augment the number of P slots?

The problem is that almost of them are leather or cotton. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

is there a way to augment the number of P slots?

No, but it would be pretty nice.

Hellfest 1 run also gives me 50k+ credits by just selling crappy equips, but yes, leg/mag is not often show up on hell difficulty, and needs longer time and more stamina than 200 rounds of PFUDORfest. It depends on each person, but it also deserves consideration after hearing you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well 200 rounds of PFUDORfest takes like 1h, whereas 800 rounds hellfest (last 200 round is not faceroll-friendly to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) takes 3h.

The problem is that almost of them are leather or cotton. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

About that, is it true that light and cloth has higher drop chance than heavy? (since cloth and leather can only be salvaged from, whereas metal can be obtained from 1h/2h/heavy)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 17 2014, 12:36

are there mousemelee for iron?
tried mousemelee script from wiki,it doesn't seem to work (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

If you're referring to Lement's mousemelee, then you need save the code as html, run it, then compile the actual userscript to use.

Alternatively, you can use my SpellSpam. It can bind actions (or chain of actions) other than just attack to mouse interaction other than just hover. It doesn't have the auto stop function on low HP/MP/SP like mousemelee though.

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 17 2014, 12:57

so while we're on hellfest, is there a reason to do it when i can only last 400-500 rounds?

Iirc crystal drop multiplier maxes out at round 500ish. You do the math. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I like hellfest because:
1. No need to pay attention to play. Hellfest is very safe place now unless I forget to cast Regen right time.
I can watch animation or youtube videos playing HV. But I can't do it on IWBTHfest+.
Multitasking enables me to do a lot of GF runs without going crazy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

2. Running GF is not only for crystals, but also for other drops for me.
Artifacts, shards, and tokens are also valuable, and as you know, they are based on how many monsters killed.
Even if I could get 2x more crystals on PFUDORfest with 1.5x time, I' ll do 1.5 hellfest run during that time for other drops.

If you don't mind but how can you multi task like (watch anime & youtube) while playing HV ? Shouldn't you have to press or click to progress very rounds ?

If you don't mind but how can you multi task like (watch anime & youtube) while playing HV ? Shouldn't you have to press or click to progress very rounds ?

if you don't have dual monitors. i do it like this.

if you don't have dual monitors. i do it like this.

btw, are absorb and drain really this useful?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 17 2014, 16:37

btw, are absorb and drain really this useful?

imo, absorb is not that useful, i just kept it there and never bother to take it back down. though, some people say it's an extra "magic shield" buffer with the benefit of unlimited turns & small recovery of mp.

someone in here mentioned drain is useful because of "Spirit Theft", but i haven't really tried it out yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If you don't mind but how can you multi task like (watch anime & youtube) while playing HV ? Shouldn't you have to press or click to progress very rounds ?

Scripts scripts scripts. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Try out these at least: MouseMelee and NoPopup.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/scripts

imo, absorb is not that useful, i just kept it there and never bother to take it back down. though, some people say it's an extra "magic shield" buffer with the benefit of unlimited turns & small recovery of mp.

yeh, there was a discussion a few pages ago...

I've been trying this out with pretty good results as instead of using Spirit Stance and needing a ton of spirit potions I can now just use mana potions and have one or two spirit potions for when Spirit Shield procs.

The lazy man's 1H method.
Armor: Power of Slaughter (Protection/Warding works too for a cheaper price)
Shield: Force Shield with SMax block or above
Weapon: Debatable, High damage Axe or Rapier. Rapier is suited to harder levels (IWBTH etc), axe seems to do a little better in hellfest with the higher damage
IA1: Haste
IA2: Spirit Shield
IA3: Protection
NOTE: I don't cast Shadow Veil or Spark of Life, all IA could be cast as spells instead
Battle Items: 13 X Mana Potions, 2 X Spirit Potions
Ponies: Enough to use Orbital Friendship Cannon (will cost you about 1.5 mil - this is the only really expensive requirement)
Mandatory Scripts: Spell Spam 3.3
Optional Scripts: HP/MP/SP warning, Auto-Dismiss "you are victorious" popup

Spell Spam 3.3 Setup:
Hover: "Shield;Vital;Orbit;Att"
Middle Click: "Heart"
Left Click: "Regen"
Casts: Always keep Regen and Heart Seeker on - use the middle/left mouse button to recast them as needed.

This setup will use Shield Bash, Vital Strike or Orbital Friendship Cannon in that order. This normally lets you use OFC within 5 rounds of the cooldown period expiring and provides maximum damage from skills. Merciful Blow is not needed unless you're fighting schoolgirl/legendary monsters.

Advantages: Uses overcharge to good effect without using a ton of spirit. points. Safe in hellfest for even my level (290). I made it to level 200 in hellfest without needing a mana potion, spirit potion or cure spell. Fast at killing things when OFC triggers.
Disadvantages: Ponies are expensive, OFC sometimes triggers at annoying times (eg 2 monsters left) and is wasted.
Considerations: Performance gear has a premium price. You could easily spend 20+ million on a good power of slaughter and force shield set. However cheaper gear (100-250k each) does work pretty well. Apart from my shield (my latest purchase - overpriced at 4 million XD) all of my power armor pieces are in that cheaper range. The only place you can't save money is with the ponies unless you're VERY lucky!

Tbh I'm ambivalent about your method. Reason is that I can make it to round 500 of Hellfest just facerolling in perma-SS without any pot and only a few times casting Spirit Drain here and there using the Illithid Axe in my sig. If I use rapier I expect to Focus once in a while, but my clear speed doesn't get impacted much at all. Gems are usually enough to refresh my vitals.

You have to try Hellfest at later rounds, that is 600+, to see if it's really effective at clearing thing fast while keeping you safe. My experience with deep Hellfest shows that not being in SS to build up OC and relying on long CD skills is very dangerous because at times, you won't be able to quickly bring down hard-hitting certain monsters.

I've been trying this out with pretty good results as instead of using Spirit Stance and needing a ton of spirit potions I can now just use mana potions and have one or two spirit potions for when Spirit Shield procs.

The lazy man's 1H method.
Armor: Power of Slaughter (Protection/Warding works too for a cheaper price)
Shield: Force Shield with SMax block or above
Weapon: Debatable, High damage Axe or Rapier. Rapier is suited to harder levels (IWBTH etc), axe seems to do a little better in hellfest with the higher damage

damn, you're rich. though, how's the survivability on IWBTH+ on 50-70+rounds?

Spell Spam 3.3 Setup:
Hover: "Shield;Vital;Orbit;Att"
Middle Click: "Heart"
Left Click: "Regen"
Casts: Always keep Regen and Heart Seeker on - use the middle/left mouse button to recast them as needed.

This setup will use Shield Bash, Vital Strike or Orbital Friendship Cannon in that order. This normally lets you use OFC within 5 rounds of the cooldown period expiring and provides maximum damage from skills. Merciful Blow is not needed unless you're fighting schoolgirl/legendary monsters.

Advantages: Uses overcharge to good effect without using a ton of spirit. points. Safe in hellfest for even my level (290). I made it to level 200 in hellfest without needing a mana potion, spirit potion or cure spell. Fast at killing things when OFC triggers.
Disadvantages: Ponies are expensive, OFC sometimes triggers at annoying times (eg 2 monsters left) and is wasted.
Considerations: Performance gear has a premium price. You could easily spend 20+ million on a good power of slaughter and force shield set. However cheaper gear (100-250k each) does work pretty well. Apart from my shield (my latest purchase - overpriced at 4 million XD) all of my power armor pieces are in that cheaper range. The only place you can't save money is with the ponies unless you're VERY lucky!

Too troublesome (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) . BTW, my shield, including forge materials' cost do not exceed 4M. My 1H set do not worth more than 10M, including those binding of slaughters.
To be safe in Hellfest, the only thing you need is 50%+ block. You can survive even without spirit stance. that's what I did when I had trouble with SP in the old days.

May I know what's your average turns/round?

This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 17 2014, 19:35