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Why would Scavenger be the worthless one? It's the one (and only one) that actually increase your drop chance!

Last two level of Archaeologist is simply pointless.

The thing with scavenger is that it increases drop chance of equips, artifact, but also potions, and crystal, while actually decreasing the drop chance of credit (since credits only roll on no roll in loot drop). The increased drop chance is minimal enough (it's not even multiplicative :/ ) to justify for its cost and the potential of credits for crystal/potion. Hellfest grinder, of course, would find it beneficial.

Archeologist is better than Scavenger because it is added multiplicative, and artifact is much more preferable a drop than potion or crystal.

And also you can add another one with infusions, since weapon can have two elemental strikes (void strike doesn't count as elemental strike).

Really? What about those stories of people leveling to lvl 9 and then using infusions? Wasn't that because you can only have one elemental strike?

However wiki states that credits drop is unaffected by any training, and credit drops are not failures on loot drop roll but are fully independent drop roll.

Really? What about those stories of people leveling to lvl 9 and then using infusions? Wasn't that because you can only have one elemental strike?

It's because you don't know what elemental strike will be there at lv 10 of ethereal weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Let's say if you prefer holy, dark, wind, elec, and you want to use two strikes among them.
You can just use one of the infusion on it when you luckily get one of these strike,
(For example, if you get dark on the weapon at 10 lvl, you can use holy infusion to get holy/dark double strike)
But if you got fire or cold strike, you can't get two strikes of your preference.

It's because you don't know what elemental strike will be there at lv 10 of ethereal weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Let's say if you prefer holy, dark, wind, elec, and you want to use two strikes among them.
You can just use one of the infusion on it when you luckily get one of these strike,
(For example, if you get dark on the weapon at 10 lvl, you can use holy infusion to get holy/dark double strike)
But if you got fire or cold strike, you can't get two strikes of your preference.

btw, in previous pages someone stated that to reforge an item is required one amnesia shard per level. let's put that i've gained IW10 on a ethereal weapon but i don't like the elemental strike: is it possible to eradicate that strike giving the weapon only one shard?

However wiki states that credits drop is unaffected by any training, and credit drops are not failures on loot drop roll but are fully independent drop roll.

If it's independent, you can get both non-credit drop AND credits. Since you don't, and wiki says that non-credit loot is rolled first, you can guess that credit drop will be negatively affected by loot drop roll. On the other hand, if credit roll is rolled first, then Scavenger is actually decent (though still not as good as LoTD or Quartermaster, but can be better than Scanveger)

The thing with scavenger is that it increases drop chance of equips, artifact, but also potions, and crystal, while actually decreasing the drop chance of credit (since credits only roll on no roll in loot drop). The increased drop chance is minimal enough (it's not even multiplicative :/ ) to justify for its cost and the potential of credits for crystal/potion. Hellfest grinder, of course, would find it beneficial.

Archeologist is better than Scavenger because it is added multiplicative, and artifact is much more preferable a drop than potion or crystal.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls

Credits can only drop from monsters that did not drop anything else; however, the credit drop chance is static (~20%?) and is not affected by anything (e.g. increasing Scavenger does not negatively impact credit drop chance in any significant way).

Well... according to your opinion, you should not train any Quartermaster because it decreases the drop chance of artifacts, as well. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd say to focus on training the target if you're exactly aiming, like
- LotD for marathons and TT&T with PFUDOR.
- Scavenger and Archaeologist for GF.

If not, just train them credit-wise within your budget.

btw, in previous pages someone stated that to reforge an item is required one amnesia shard per level. let's put that i've gained IW10 on a ethereal weapon but i don't like the elemental strike: is it possible to eradicate that strike giving the weapon only one shard?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/The_Forge#Reforging

Players can only choose to forfeit all the existing Item Potency levels or keep all of them.

You can reforge it with amnesia shards, but the level is reset to 0 when you use it.
In other words, Keep or all reset.

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Feb 1 2014, 15:33

So what level where you experts when you first took on A Dance With Dragons on Battletoads or higher difficulty? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls
Well... according to your opinion, you should not train any Quartermaster because it decreases the drop chance of artifacts, as well. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Equipments is better than, or at least equal to Artifact, but well that only counts when you're doing PFUDOR :/

So what level where you experts when you first took on A Dance With Dragons on Battletoads or higher difficulty? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I beated DwD at just 300 lvl on IWBTH. (That was pre-0.77 so PFUDOR does not exist.)
It tooks about 4~5 hours. A really boring and hard work. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Equipments is better than, or at least equal to Artifact, but well that only counts when you're doing PFUDOR :/

Let's just say the last two level of Archaeologist really deters anyone to max that.
I would just say they're somewhat equally important. The order really doesn't matter here provided that you have enough credits to max them.

I'd probably throw in something like 'Train till each requires at least a million for another level, get some better equip, forge them a bit, then come back and max LotD'. At that point you shouldn't be worried about the credits anymore. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by varst: Feb 1 2014, 16:09

So what level where you experts when you first took on A Dance With Dragons on Battletoads or higher difficulty? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

No idea, I do not do it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

@varst: you horse picture make me remember "your resistance will only make my p____ harder". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 1 2014, 16:19

Hey guys

I was wondering are Happy Pills anyhow affected by difficultly mode ?

I rarely get any. So was wondering are the drop rate for them got decreased or anything ?

This post has been edited by xcaliber9999: Feb 1 2014, 16:47

So what level where you experts when you first took on A Dance With Dragons on Battletoads or higher difficulty? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I did BT D&D at 32x, with 8 mana pot and 7 spirit pots, and a whole lot of focus. I probably could do it on IWBTH/PFUDOR now that I know the method, and if I bring 15 spirit pots and spam focus for mana, but what's the point? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

@varst: you horse picture make me remember "your resistance will only make my p____ harder". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

@varst: Isn't that horse from that anime Gin No Sajin (Silver Spoon)? I read the manga but don't watch the anime, so I have no idea what its colored self would look like, though the face expression matches <.<

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 1 2014, 17:01

You can reforge it with amnesia shards, but the level is reset to 0 when you use it.
In other words, Keep or all reset.

doh, i hoped it was eludable... thanks anyways...

I beated DwD at just 300 lvl on IWBTH. (That was pre-0.77 so PFUDOR does not exist.)
It tooks about 4~5 hours. A really boring and hard work. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

what potions\scrolls\infusions did you take with you and used? Cuz I was wondering if bubble gum is even worth taking a slot (if not for the title - then it has zero point in the game)

Hey guys

I was wondering are Happy Pills anyhow affected by difficultly mode ?

I rarely get any. So was wondering are the drop rate for them got decreased or anything ?

i don't think, every now and then they still drop for me...

what potions\scrolls\infusions did you take with you and used? Cuz I was wondering if bubble gum is even worth taking a slot (if not for the title - then it has zero point in the game)

Wow you're the first person I know to use bubble gum O.o

Bring a lot of spirit potions, since you'd have to keep spirit shield up when the schoolgirls start appearing. And spirit is 1000x more annoying to regain (using drain) than mana (using focus). I never use scroll, but I reckon shadow scroll would be good, since it's one of the main MP drain due to its short cooldown (Its mana/turn duration is as high as Heartseeker). Enchant your weapons with dark/holy infusion before the battle.

Wow you're the first person I know to use bubble gum O.o

Bring a lot of spirit potions, since you'd have to keep spirit shield up when the schoolgirls start appearing. And spirit is 1000x more annoying to regain (using drain) than mana (using focus). I never use scroll, but I reckon shadow scroll would be good, since it's one of the main MP drain due to its short cooldown (Its mana/turn duration is as high as Heartseeker). Enchant your weapons with dark/holy infusion before the battle.

I use bubble gum & flower pot for the first time I clear a ring of blood.

Guess I don't need 'em anymore.

This post has been edited by Drakewyn: Feb 1 2014, 19:05

Wow you're the first person I know to use bubble gum O.o

Bring a lot of spirit potions, since you'd have to keep spirit shield up when the schoolgirls start appearing. And spirit is 1000x more annoying to regain (using drain) than mana (using focus). I never use scroll, but I reckon shadow scroll would be good, since it's one of the main MP drain due to its short cooldown (Its mana/turn duration is as high as Heartseeker). Enchant your weapons with dark/holy infusion before the battle.

way to complicated, screw that...

just use a club rapier combo with holy/dark infus, if mp runs out, kill all untill 1 SG is still there and focus in the time stunn is aktiv on it, this way you should be able to go through all rounds with your potions that you have with you. draining for sp should be not needed...or silly scrolls. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
if drain is still be needed than go ahead and silent the enemy who got hit with the dot from dark spell what you have skilled and sloted @ your abilitys, since the closer to 100% sp bar is on the monster, the more will drain leech from its sp. obviously... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) so its not a pain in the ass to leech sp at all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)