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post Jan 30 2014, 21:32
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QUOTE(Razor320 @ Jan 30 2014, 19:47) *

On the other hand, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are fine.

They are not the same.

Credits, hath, and GP? They are all stored on servers controlled by Tenboro. If he wants to, he can generate any arbitrary amount of those and give them to whoever he wants (inflation, lol). We just trust him not to (they are meant as an incentive for users to bring new content, help host the files, and play HV, so devaluating them is not in his interest). Also, they can only be used on those same servers.

Cryptocurrencies? They offer a number of properties that allows them to be used as money. And Tenboro waits for your bitcoin donations btw. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[dealbook.nytimes.com] Why Bitcoin matters, by Marc Andreessen
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The practical consequence of solving this problem is that Bitcoin gives us, for the first time, a way for one Internet user to transfer a unique piece of digital property to another Internet user, such that the transfer is guaranteed to be safe and secure, everyone knows that the transfer has taken place, and nobody can challenge the legitimacy of the transfer. The consequences of this breakthrough are hard to overstate.

What kinds of digital property might be transferred in this way? Think about digital signatures, digital contracts, digital keys (to physical locks, or to online lockers), digital ownership of physical assets such as cars and houses, digital stocks and bonds … and digital money.

All these are exchanged through a distributed network of trust that does not require or rely upon a central intermediary like a bank or broker. And all in a way where only the owner of an asset can send it, only the intended recipient can receive it, the asset can only exist in one place at a time, and everyone can validate transactions and ownership of all assets anytime they want.


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post Jan 30 2014, 22:04
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In Tenboro we trust.
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post Jan 30 2014, 22:35
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And yet, Bitcoins are all created on servers controlled by the inventor of them. If he wants to, he can generate any arbitrary amount of those and give them to whoever he wants (inflation, lol). We just trust him not to.
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post Jan 30 2014, 22:52
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I know what bitcoins are and for what they are good.
>> it's kinda hard to gauge prices on stuff you got for free using imaginary money
HV credits directly exchanged for your and your computer's time.
Bitcorins directly exchanged for your and your computer's time.

If tommorow someone begins to accept HV credits in exchange for hamburgers, then one and only difference between them would be technical implementaion of transactions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

They are same in general. They are built on trust (to implementation (and who wrote it?), or human) and use electricity and human efforts as real-life value.

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post Jan 30 2014, 23:32
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 30 2014, 21:35) *

And yet, Bitcoins are all created on servers controlled by the inventor of them. If he wants to, he can generate any arbitrary amount of those and give them to whoever he wants (inflation, lol). We just trust him not to.

Link + quote please, because if that's the case, there is something I did not understand in how bitcoin works.

QUOTE(Razor320 @ Jan 30 2014, 21:52) *

They are same in general. They are built on trust (to implementation (and who wrote it?), or human) and use electricity and human efforts as real-life value.

Bitcoin are not built on trust. They rely on cryptography.

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post Jan 31 2014, 00:02
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 30 2014, 15:35) *

And yet, Bitcoins are all created on servers controlled by the inventor of them. If he wants to, he can generate any arbitrary amount of those and give them to whoever he wants (inflation, lol). We just trust him not to.



QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 30 2014, 16:32) *

Link + quote please, because if that's the case, there is something I did not understand in how bitcoin works.
Bitcoin are not built on trust. They rely on cryptography.



That's not how bitcoins are generated. There is no 'server' where 'bitcoins are created'.
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post Jan 31 2014, 00:10
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 31 2014, 07:35) *

And yet, Bitcoins are all created on servers controlled by the inventor of them. If he wants to, he can generate any arbitrary amount of those and give them to whoever he wants (inflation, lol). We just trust him not to.


Anyone can generate bitcoin (through a process called bitcoin mining) with a strong enough rig, and good enough algorithm.

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 31 2014, 08:32) *

Bitcoin are not built on trust. They rely on cryptography.

Crytography is built around trust...

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post Jan 31 2014, 00:15
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 30 2014, 23:10) *

Crytography is built around trust...

How so?
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post Jan 31 2014, 00:19
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 30 2014, 23:15) *

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 30 2014, 23:10) *

Anyone can generate bitcoin (through a process called bitcoin mining) with a strong enough rig, and good enough algorithm.
Crytography is built around trust...

How so?

the trust that the key isn't so easy discovered?

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post Jan 31 2014, 00:29
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 30 2014, 22:19) *
the trust that the key isn't so easy discovered?
And by "trust" we mean probability theory, I guess. Then it does make (some) sense.

On the other hand bitcoins are even different, it is a stacking cryptographic algorithm. Everyone knows the "key" for bitcoins, or better said the first bitcoin transfer.

The idea is to produce an increasing stack of mathematical transformations, which can be achived efficiently only in a certain order. If someone tries to create a false bitcoin he would need to recompute the entire chain of transformations from the beginning, and he will need to do it faster than the entire bitcoin network can do it.
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post Jan 31 2014, 00:42
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 31 2014, 09:15) *

How so?


Some examples, trust that the Bitcoin Wallet client you're using is actually doing its job securely and not sending all private keys of your bitcoin money to its author, or that the Bitcoin hash function is not invertible so its inverse function will never be figured out.
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post Jan 31 2014, 01:24
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 30 2014, 23:42) *

Some examples, trust that the Bitcoin Wallet client you're using is actually doing its job securely and not sending all private keys of your bitcoin money to its author,

The code source is open. But, yeah, I'm probably too lazy to check it myself personally.

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or that the Bitcoin hash function is not invertible so its inverse function will never be figured out.

...Okay. Not that it seems feasible, but it's a valid point.
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post Jan 31 2014, 02:45
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post Jan 31 2014, 02:45
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do the autocast slots safe mp?
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post Jan 31 2014, 03:20
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QUOTE(surted @ Jan 31 2014, 09:45) *

do the autocast slots safe mp?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Settings#Auto-cast_Slots
Each rank of IA grants a 10% discount off of the upkeep, including the first rank.
That means max 50% discount off for 5 IA.
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post Jan 31 2014, 05:29
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 31 2014, 00:42) *
Bitcoin hash function is not invertible so its inverse function will never be figured out.

Isn't it invertible and inversed every time a check is made to legitimize a trade?

Checking whether a code is suitable to be a bitcoin and figuring out the next bitcoin are two sides of P=NP problems.
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post Jan 31 2014, 06:35
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sorry out of the topics but, is training Adept Learner is the priority when you just started??
i dont know what i'm doing since the first time i play this game until now lvl 100..
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post Jan 31 2014, 07:07
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QUOTE(rames123 @ Jan 30 2014, 20:35) *

sorry out of the topics but, is training Adept Learner is the priority when you just started??
i dont know what i'm doing since the first time i play this game until now lvl 100..


In general, it's not important. As you level up, it takes more and more XP to get the next level which gives you more and more time to practice your skills.

Important at your level... practice your Deprecating until you get to a skill of 50 or better, so you'll be able to cast Sleep & Silence (both very, very useful spells). Don't worry about your Supportive skill... just casting the regular buffs raise it more than enough.
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post Jan 31 2014, 07:22
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QUOTE(Lement @ Jan 31 2014, 14:29) *

Isn't it invertible and inversed every time a check is made to legitimize a trade?

Checking whether a code is suitable to be a bitcoin and figuring out the next bitcoin are two sides of P=NP problems.


Sure the whole process of identity verification is inversing the encrypting function with the help of public to figure out the original data. But what I was referring to is inversing the encrypting function to figure out the private key.
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post Jan 31 2014, 07:26
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QUOTE(rames123 @ Jan 31 2014, 13:35) *

sorry out of the topics but, is training Adept Learner is the priority when you just started??
i dont know what i'm doing since the first time i play this game until now lvl 100..

QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 31 2014, 14:07) *

In general, it's not important. As you level up, it takes more and more XP to get the next level which gives you more and more time to practice your skills.

Important at your level... practice your Deprecating until you get to a skill of 50 or better, so you'll be able to cast Sleep & Silence (both very, very useful spells). Don't worry about your Supportive skill... just casting the regular buffs raise it more than enough.

Well, IMO Silence is useful only for some situation against RoB (FSM, TT&T) and marathon (arenas min level 225lv+ from End of Days to A Dance with Dragons)
I think that the most important thing at your level is raising your level to 250~300 lvl at least ASAP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
High level means high proficiency, high stats, high level scaling, access to high level arena with high difficulty to get more credits, and unlock some useful abilities and spells.
Proficiency grinding is also very easy when your level is high enough. No need to do it right now.
So I recommend you to train Adept Learner as far as you can afford.
(You also need to train Pack Rat that opens your battle slots.)

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