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post Jan 27 2014, 01:11
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QUOTE(eramosat @ Jan 26 2014, 19:23) *

Free shops probably crush the sales of Superiors too.

indeed... the daughter of the wolves is cutting my business -.-"

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 26 2014, 20:21) *

Focus to Destruction is like Balance to Slaughter: can be good, but don't expect them to clear as fast as destruction/slaughter

maybe ethereal of focus could have some use for mana conservation?

moreover, the fundamental matter with ethereal staves (that also lower their utility) is that crushing damage is replaced by void damage right?
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:20
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jan 26 2014, 22:01) *

So I looked at some force shields.
37% block - 150k
38% block - 600k

44% block - 5000k

Why.

the more you approach to the top, the higher become the price and also the speed of the increase: that's a common law in various sectors; moreover, i suppose also the prefix modifies in order to have that 44% and thus a psychological factor intervenees:

QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 26 2014, 17:54) *

People go crazy when they see Mag/Leg, yet there's lot's of mags with worse stats than exquisites. Also depends of who is bidding.



i think it's like (super)cars: performances like 9/10 do cost ten times than a common car, while cars capable of performances like 9.5+/10 cost some times the previous (already very good ones)
just to name a few, let's compare the prices of a wolkswagen golf (common), lamborghini (sport car - well, i'm italian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) or bugatti veyron (supercar)

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post Jan 27 2014, 01:31
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@Scremaz: If free shops kill your cash flow you would have probably made what you sold it at quicker by just grinding. The equips in them are what other shop-owners thought were so bad that they were worth more as incentive for newbies.
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:35
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QUOTE(Lement @ Jan 27 2014, 00:31) *

@Scremaz: If free shops kill your cash flow you would have probably made what you sold it at quicker by just grinding. The equips in them are what other shop-owners thought were so bad that they were worth more as incentive for newbies.

yeah, i know already, only joking... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
it was a choice of mine to try to sell those items anyways and trying to make some profit, so i can't really complain to free shops.
when i'll be less short in credits than these days the same items that in this moment i'm trying to sell will go as donations to the daughter of wolves, for now i'll keep them as a secondary hall of my shop...

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post Jan 27 2014, 01:53
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jan 26 2014, 01:05) *

I'm not begrudging anyone, I did not said anything about being forced to complain donate and since when did I claim to speak for anyone else?
There's no need to be hostile Mr. Zen.

I'm just saying that we should be a better opportunity to earn as much as catgirls or H@Hers from playing HV.


Sorry, I did not mean to be hostile but you did write "we" in the third sentence.

We could all wish for more level playing field but I don't see it happening at any time soon. HV is a credit sink as designed by TenB and constantly being tweaked to squeeze just a little bit more out of us players than in the previous version.

Even so, there are many successful high level players who do not donate. Lement and until recently nobody_xxx are some of the notable players who could compete for the best equipments with the donors.

As for myself, I just play at the highest level possible with the equipments that I can afford. At around Lv275'ish, I'd cleared all of the Arena levels available to me in IWBTH then PFUDOR before Lv300. Recently, I've done DwD in IWBTH at Lv304 and have been trying to clear it in PFUDOR since but no luck so far. I think I need to get IA1 and stick Spirit Shield in it to have a better chance at success.
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:15
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 26 2014, 08:59) *

what about of Focus? I've heard that's good too



Staffs of Focus are only really good for lower level and new players. The reason why staffs of destruction or with EDB prefix are better is that you can then IW the staff to have economizer which at level 5 can grant the full effect of the focus prefix. Whilst on the other hand, you can only get a fraction of the destruction prefix bonus damage from item worlding the staff.
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:28
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Jan 27 2014, 06:13) *

None of the RoB is worth the hassle except for the Flying Spaghetti Monster at Lv200. The Noodly Appendage from FSM can be sold for 50k in the WTB, the rest do it once in normal for the clearing bonus. Don't even think about getting any worthwhile drops unless you have LotD trained higher than 15/25, I am at 10 and the best I ever got from FSM at PFUDOR was an exquisite Bazaar fodder.

Gotcha, thanks. I still have a long way to go. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:49
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jan 27 2014, 05:01) *

So I looked at some force shields.
37% block - 150k
38% block - 600k

44% block - 5000k

Why.


Block chance is probably the single most important stat for shields, and the higher it is on the shield, the better it is since you can rely less on shield prefix armor to further increase block chance. And i wager those values are close to max mag or leg values (I have no idea how close since base values weren't posted), so price can increase exponentially as they approach those values.
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post Jan 27 2014, 03:44
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It doesn't help either that the jump in base block chance from mag to legendary max is so high.
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post Jan 27 2014, 06:24
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I can't remember whether FSM appears outside of RoB, it takes me far too long to gather together 5 ToB to mount a challenge for the noodle.
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post Jan 27 2014, 06:52
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i think there's an extremely small chance for schoolgirls and gods to show up in RE but it'd be pointless to wait for it. just grab a shitty ethereal estoc/longsword and grind non-schoolgirl arenas on normal. you'll get them all eventually.

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post Jan 27 2014, 06:53
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Does INT benefit melee players at all, and should I bother investing in it if I don't plan to go magic in future? Magical damage/crit chance don't seem like they'd help for melee players, so I'm looking for confirmation.
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post Jan 27 2014, 07:02
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Jan 27 2014, 07:53) *

Sorry, I did not mean to be hostile but you did write "we" in the third sentence.

We could all wish for more level playing field but I don't see it happening at any time soon. HV is a credit sink as designed by TenB and constantly being tweaked to squeeze just a little bit more out of us players than in the previous version.

Even so, there are many successful high level players who do not donate. Lement and until recently nobody_xxx are some of the notable players who could compete for the best equipments with the donors.

As for myself, I just play at the highest level possible with the equipments that I can afford. At around Lv275'ish, I'd cleared all of the Arena levels available to me in IWBTH then PFUDOR before Lv300. Recently, I've done DwD in IWBTH at Lv304 and have been trying to clear it in PFUDOR since but no luck so far. I think I need to get IA1 and stick Spirit Shield in it to have a better chance at success.


Well, it's like the difference between saying "I think we should be given freebies"and "we think we should be given freebies" and "I think I should be given freebies".
Gah whatever, sorry if I cause misunderstanding.

Credit sinks are not there to rob everyone of their money.
Credit sinks are supposed to target the rich to keep inflation in bay, it's just that it is difficult get it right and ends up hurting the middle-income earners even more. Just like how Warren Buffett pays less tax than his secretary, I think something needs to be done to help that poor secretary.

Here's a good quote from another game I play:

"I think the problem isn't that there are credit sinks, but they punish more casual players. Costs seem to be designed under the assumption that players are doing all their dailies every day. I think they are so worried that the market will be flooded with credits and are being overly tight on it."

For every person who succeeds, many fail.

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 27 2014, 08:15) *

Staffs of Focus are only really good for lower level and new players. The reason why staffs of destruction or with EDB prefix are better is that you can then IW the staff to have economizer which at level 5 can grant the full effect of the focus prefix. Whilst on the other hand, you can only get a fraction of the destruction prefix bonus damage from item worlding the staff.


I don't use staffs but what about economizer lvl. 5 on focus?

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post Jan 27 2014, 07:03
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I'm pretty sure ONLY bosses show up outside of arenas.
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post Jan 27 2014, 07:15
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Jan 27 2014, 12:24) *

I can't remember whether FSM appears outside of RoB, it takes me far too long to gather together 5 ToB to mount a challenge for the noodle.


"The player will be pitted against several monsters, which can range from Common to Legendary-class." Quoted from the wiki. And the 'Monsters' article lists the schoolgirls as legendary, so no, FSM won't appear outside of RoB.

QUOTE(caiax @ Jan 27 2014, 12:53) *

Does INT benefit melee players at all, and should I bother investing in it if I don't plan to go magic in future? Magical damage/crit chance don't seem like they'd help for melee players, so I'm looking for confirmation.


Because INT adds to spirit, which melees like a lot. Besides, the exp needed to increase INT isn't all that much, as long as it isn't your primary stat. At 304 INT, I only need 45,362,241 point to get it to 305. on the other hand, at 376 STR, i need 805,450,786 point to get it to 377.

Considering each point adds 0.2 points to base spirit, that's quite some amount I get from investing a relatively low amount of exp into INT.
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post Jan 27 2014, 07:18
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QUOTE(Valkrey @ Jan 27 2014, 13:15) *
Because INT adds to spirit, which melees like a lot. Besides, the exp needed to increase INT isn't all that much, as long as it isn't your primary stat. At 304 INT, I only need 45,362,241 point to get it to 305. on the other hand, at 376 STR, i need 805,450,786 point to get it to 377.

Considering each point adds 0.2 points to base spirit, that's quite some amount I get from investing a relatively low amount of exp into INT.

Ah, cheap spirit increase, I get it now. Thanks.
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post Jan 27 2014, 07:29
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How does the speed reduction stacking work?
Example: Slow (50% reduction) and Freezing Limbs (10% reduction)

Is it additive, multiplicative, largest value only, or some other weird formula?

:3 thx for any help

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post Jan 27 2014, 07:31
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jan 27 2014, 13:02) *

I don't use staffs but what about economizer lvl. 5 on focus?


Just from this sentence, I think you should learn more about this game first.

QUOTE(IOUmoney @ Jan 27 2014, 13:29) *

How does the speed reduction stacking work?
Example: Slow (50% reduction) and Freezing Limbs (10% reduction)


Most likely to be multiplicative, just like other formulas. I won't be surprised if there's some weird formula/factors though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Jan 27 2014, 07:56
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QUOTE(caiax @ Jan 27 2014, 07:18) *

Ah, cheap spirit increase, I get it now. Thanks.


imo, increase STR>EDU>DEX>AGI repeat 5 cycles then WIS>INT
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post Jan 27 2014, 08:02
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Jan 27 2014, 13:56) *

imo, increase STR>EDU>DEX>AGI repeat 5 cycles then WIS>INT

That's roughly what I've been doing, so I guess I'm on the right track. I generally only put leftover points in WIS/INT if I have extra after increasing STR/END or DEX/AGI. Even so, INT is far behind all my other stats by a mile.
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