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Jan 25 2014, 19:09
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(f02d @ Jan 25 2014, 07:30)  I can't use "Shatter Strike" skill.  My Level is 132. My Two-handed Proficiency is 100. But, "Shatter Strike" skill never appear. what's wrong? If Shattered Strike is the special skill for 2H and you've met the minimum requirements, that skill should become available in the Character -> Settings -> Quick Bar Slots or in the Skills menu during battle.
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Jan 25 2014, 19:26
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qw3rty67
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 24 2014, 23:24)  You are most likely trolling It begins.QUOTE as this is probably the most useless build I have heard about. If you consider rolling through everything on pfudor with next to no potting and no jerking around focusing to be useless. QUOTE Yet let's have a look. Subsequent lines say you didn't even read the first sentence! QUOTE No staff to get MDB/EDB so spells hit for crap damage, And you call me a troll. A staff is hardly the only way to raise damage. You are most likely considering "not one-shotting" to be crap damage. QUOTE the tower to get interference and increase mana cost. A whopping NINE PERCENT. QUOTE The tower reduces evasion given by cloth as well. You gain far more block (equals counters, equals stuns, equals oc...) than you lose evade. A net gain in avoidance. That's ignoring proficiency and abilities. QUOTE Either fully mage (i.e. get a staff) I swear you saw "one-handed" and "spells" and had a stroke. Ten bros. would have to—at the very least—revert the resist change. Then I would go "fully mage". Then immediately quit the game again because of how tedious it is. QUOTE or use arcanist shade. Get rid of the tower. Finally we get to some suggestions, though the first implies forgoing spells. I felt a significant reduction in effectiveness with lower block rates, so I switched to the biggest wall I had: 33.9% tower of the barrier with two piddly pabs. This also lets me go full cloth. What other benefits do the other three shield types give relative to my build? Maybe things will be different if I reach 3-target 0-cooldown imperil. The 2-1 imperil is a huge bottleneck. . . . . . . . . . . No troll.
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Jan 25 2014, 19:38
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something
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jan 25 2014, 12:26)  really long response
i'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say you're using 1H Phase? if that's the case you might as well pick up a really good force shield; the interference won't hurt you THAT much because of all the wisdom from phase, and you can always feather it/pack an extra mana pot. and yeah, imperil doesn't get useful till level 310
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Jan 25 2014, 19:46
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Owyn
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QUOTE and yeah, imperil doesn't get useful till level 310 seems pretty usefull to me ;p on that "memory of dark mages thing"whichi doesn't want to die before stun expires, or at spagetty guy at pfudor (takes long anyway but I believe imperil helps me there)
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Jan 25 2014, 19:52
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varst
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Maging's advantage is to be speedy but not tanky. Of course, 0CD imperil would help, but the core idea is to kill before you're killed. If you're spending 50 turns per round, you should just get some light/heavy armor and go meleeing.
I got 2169 magic damage. 434 is from my staff, 150 is from staff prof so it's almost a 40% boost to damage. As they die before they can unleash their skill, I choose to go for damage instead if crowd-control; dead monsters don't need to be controlled.
Pick the tier 3 spell, as it's the most efficient one in dealing damage against large group of mobs.
It really depend on the difficulty though; we're just giving advices to make your build more efficient even on higher difficulty. And no I can't one-shot things, but I can get pass The IWBTH Trio without using drain which really slow down maging unless you're dealing with Schoolgirls.
Remember, you don't need all the block/counter if all the monsters die in a few hits. 0CD imperil is a must-get, so I'd suggest focusing on leveling for now, get to level 310, then try our suggestions to switch to a good staff (hallowed oak of heimdall, hallowed katalox of destruction/heimdall).
P.S. Some choose to imperil the more tanky monsters so they can be less bothered with the CD of imperil. This is also viable.
This post has been edited by varst: Jan 25 2014, 20:06
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Jan 25 2014, 20:28
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LazyShd
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I am playing 2H mace in Leg leather of protection and wondering what money spending direction is better for now.
1) Mag fleet\shadowdancer set. 2) Innate Arcana II and III. 3) Spend all on Henjutsu Training. 4) Something else.
This post has been edited by LazyShd: Jan 25 2014, 20:28
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Jan 25 2014, 20:58
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malkatmp
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^1) Mag fleet\shadowdancer set.
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Jan 25 2014, 21:33
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Owyn
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5) maybe IW existing stuff? *good mag costs like hell (if you ever find it), I have all exquisites
This post has been edited by Owyn: Jan 25 2014, 21:33
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Jan 25 2014, 21:53
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 25 2014, 18:46)  seems pretty usefull to me ;p on that "memory of dark mages thing"whichi doesn't want to die before stun expires
+1 haven't had a chance to try on FSM by now, but with a few debuffs and imperil-ing the remaining monster(s) i was also able to raise the difficult of my REs (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jan 25 2014, 21:58
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 25 2014, 23:33)  5) maybe IW existing stuff? *good mag costs like hell (if you ever find it), I have all exquisites
Like hell? About 500k each piece i think. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jan 25 2014, 22:24
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zekana
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 25 2014, 14:33)  5) maybe IW existing stuff? *good mag costs like hell (if you ever find it), I have all exquisites
might be different for fleet instead of dancer but i swear i haven't found a single mag or even legendary fleet that has better evasion then this, and i've had this for months now Exquisite Shade Breastplate of the Fleetthat just have a godly evasion or have i just not been looking hard enough for better equipment? This post has been edited by zekana: Jan 25 2014, 22:25
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Jan 25 2014, 23:05
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qw3rty67
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QUOTE(something @ Jan 25 2014, 12:38)  i'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say you're using 1H Phase? if that's the case you might as well pick up a really good force shield; the interference won't hurt you THAT much because of all the wisdom from phase, and you can always feather it/pack an extra mana pot. Never had one drop for me or show up in the bazaar. I remember someone saying they had 60 interference when they were introduced so I never looked back. I'll try shopping around for one in the forums. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE(varst @ Jan 25 2014, 12:52)  Maging's advantage is to be speedy but not tanky. Of course, 0CD imperil would help, but the core idea is to kill before you're killed. If you're spending 50 turns per round, you should just get some light/heavy armor and go meleeing.
I got 2169 magic damage. 434 is from my staff, 150 is from staff prof so it's almost a 40% boost to damage. As they die before they can unleash their skill, I choose to go for damage instead if crowd-control; dead monsters don't need to be controlled.
Pick the tier 3 spell, as it's the most efficient one in dealing damage against large group of mobs.
It really depend on the difficulty though; we're just giving advices to make your build more efficient even on higher difficulty. And no I can't one-shot things, but I can get pass The IWBTH Trio without using drain which really slow down maging unless you're dealing with Schoolgirls.
Remember, you don't need all the block/counter if all the monsters die in a few hits. 0CD imperil is a must-get, so I'd suggest focusing on leveling for now, get to level 310, then try our suggestions to switch to a good staff (hallowed oak of heimdall, hallowed katalox of destruction/heimdall).
P.S. Some choose to imperil the more tanky monsters so they can be less bothered with the CD of imperil. This is also viable.
I only play pfudor. Hentai monsters aren't fast enough to be threatening. I thought proficiency stopped giving +damage? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Old battlecaster can make up for some of the damage, but the loss is mostly felt against highly-resistant, non-imperiled targets. I've been gearing for one element and spamming tier 1 (and tier 3 when the spike shield procks) since it doesn't waste as much mana when the enemies roll their dreaded resists. If I use only tier 3s, what is the optimal amount of elements to gear for? If I had godly gear I'd use holy/dark but in this patch, it doesn't seem good enough over elemental to justify the higher cost and slower casting. When I need mana, I just holy at the beginning of the round, drain and keep moving. No time lost. I only have tier 2 so sometimes I have to holy twice. Even without the ether effect, the secondary regen keeps me from having to use more cures or other depricating spells, so I SURE HOPE TENBORO FIXES BETTER DRAIN SOON HINT WINK NUDGE _________________I really don't want to use a staff because, while slaughtering enemies in droves is great, you don't get to interact with them. Completely crippling them is boring, too. This strategy lets me do a little of both without being too strong. And I hate the new resist mechanic. I'd have to buy a new stick as well, since I only have old ones. These are probably my best three: Exquisite Ebony Staff of the ElementalistSuperior Shocking Willow Staff of DestructionExquisite Redwood Staff of DestructionWhat kind of elemental and holy/dark staves can I get for under 500k each?
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Jan 25 2014, 23:28
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Dan31
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QUOTE(zekana @ Jan 25 2014, 21:24)  might be different for fleet instead of dancer but i swear i haven't found a single mag or even legendary fleet that has better evasion then this, and i've had this for months now Exquisite Shade Breastplate of the Fleetthat just have a godly evasion or have i just not been looking hard enough for better equipment? According to the wiki, the evade of your equipment is the second best possible for its quality (base 6.48, max is 6.74). This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 25 2014, 23:31
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Jan 25 2014, 23:33
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jan 25 2014, 22:05)  I really don't want to use a staff because, while slaughtering enemies in droves is great, you don't get to interact with them. Completely crippling them is boring, too. This strategy lets me do a little of both without being too strong. And I hate the new resist mechanic. I'd have to buy a new stick as well, since I only have old ones. These are probably my best three: Exquisite Ebony Staff of the ElementalistSuperior Shocking Willow Staff of DestructionExquisite Redwood Staff of DestructionWhat kind of elemental and holy/dark staves can I get for under 500k each? i have a few that i don't use and i'm trying to sell since i'm meele... what do you search? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jan 25 2014, 23:41
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zekana
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 25 2014, 16:28)  According to the wiki, the evade of your equipment is the second best possible for its quality (base 6.48, max is 6.74). that explains a lot. if i do find a better evasion, it will probably be hella expensive then.
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Jan 25 2014, 23:44
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 25 2014, 22:28)  According to the wiki, the evade of your equipment is the second best possible for its quality (base 6.48, max is 6.74). out of curiosity, how do you say that's the second best?
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Jan 26 2014, 00:18
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 25 2014, 22:44)  out of curiosity, how do you say that's the second best?
max derived base divided by max base roll multiplied by (max base roll - 1) gives roughly the value of the base evade the equipment has. Oh, and to get the base values of an equipment, I use [ github.com] this script (I've just installed it). The base values are shown is tooltips when hovering over a stat in any equipment window. QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 25 2014, 22:50)  Exquisite max evade, nice. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 26 2014, 00:27
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Jan 26 2014, 00:24
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Owyn
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what if two people make the same bid at item bot? who would get the item?
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Jan 26 2014, 00:29
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 25 2014, 23:24)  what if two people make the same bid at item bot? who would get the item?
My bet: to the one bidding first. ...And I'm wrong. According to the wiki, it's random: QUOTE When multiple players have the highest bid, the winner is randomly chosen and the effective price equals the highest bid This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 26 2014, 00:31
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