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I'm surprised that you can even use it, lest to clear hellfest with it.

OFC must be seriously OP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I used FRD with that axe, which was admittedly similar to OFC (I haven't had enough ponies yet, only 7 atm). Since then I've cleared Hellfest a few more times using rapier though, and I think I like the rapier better. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

On to another subject, do you know of a link in the wiki that explains the advantage of max levelled weapon vs none or partial levelled weapon?

You should read everything starting from "Potencies". I'm not sure if the stated exact bonus per potency level is still accurate though, after all these patches.


Btw, despite all the talk about the best spike, I'm still using Fire anyway. I figure that my style (heavy 1H) don't benefits much from attack speed nor bonus evasion (does it?), and I don't like taking more chance anyway, so I choose something that will definitely reduce my damage taken.

This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Jan 24 2014, 02:14

As much as I try to look at the charts I realize I have no idea on how to gauge whether something is just Bazaar trash or something more worthwhile.

Is there a thread somewhere to help assess item values?

If not... Are these worth anything?

Exquisite Ethereal Shortsword of Slaughter
Superior Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction
Superior Katalox Staff of Destruction

As much as I try to look at the charts I realize I have no idea on how to gauge whether something is just Bazaar trash or something more worthwhile.

Is there a thread somewhere to help assess item values?

If not... Are these worth anything?

Exquisite Ethereal Shortsword of Slaughter
Superior Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction
Superior Katalox Staff of Destruction

The Shortsword can be kept. The other two can bazaar.
You can have a look to the last few auctions to guess the value of items.

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 24 2014, 05:54

I used FRD with that axe, which was admittedly similar to OFC (I haven't had enough ponies yet, only 7 atm). Since then I've cleared Hellfest a few more times using rapier though, and I think I like the rapier better. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
You should read everything starting from "Potencies". I'm not sure if the stated exact bonus per potency level is still accurate though, after all these patches.
Btw, despite all the talk about the best spike, I'm still using Fire anyway. I figure that my style (heavy 1H) don't benefits much from attack speed nor bonus evasion (does it?), and I don't like taking more chance anyway, so I choose something that will definitely reduce my damage taken.

FRD is crap, low dmg, stun is tolong what makes it really 1hand friendly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . might have low cd and low oc use...thats it. if you have allready ofc you stay with godslayer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
1hand rapier all the way~
use fire spikes too, works perf with ice strike who kills annoying hp mops like dragons and bugs like a flash, infusion rota elec/wind to finish off giants like nothing works perf too, dark kills fast celestias and spirits, but they dont have much hp anyway, also the heal boni from holy or less mitigation for alot mops same for dark (@lower mit) is overrated and mostly usefull for marathons or RoB, anything else you do way better with something what kill fast hp mops like giants dragons.... lol bugs too, undeath are kinda weak so i almost forgot them, thats it i guess. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I used FRD with that axe, which was admittedly similar to OFC (I haven't had enough ponies yet, only 7 atm). Since then I've cleared Hellfest a few more times using rapier though, and I think I like the rapier better. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
You should read everything starting from "Potencies". I'm not sure if the stated exact bonus per potency level is still accurate though, after all these patches.

Yeah about that, did you use the same gears to clear D&D BT? I'm in full slaughter and force shield + rapier balance. I pretty much never have to cure, but clearing the last 30 rounds is too slow that I went through all my mp and sp pots) T.T

this

valuation please (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

millions? bazaar fodder?

thank you smelly experts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

this

valuation please (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

millions? bazaar fodder?

thank you smelly experts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ethereal pretty much puts it to the 50-100k price range :/

Ethereal pretty much puts it to the 50-100k price range :/

*hopes dashed*

could be worse, thanks...

It was stated in the formula I posted earlier which was from the wiki. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells

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Base health restored = (base_health * AP / 100) * (1 + holy EDB / 100)

AP are the ability points you've spent to upgrade cure where 100 is the max (level 3/3 upgrade).
The +spell damage on weapons corresponds to a % damage bonus and is usually abbreviated as EDB (Elemental damage bonus) and is exactly in the formula above. In this case, you need +Holy spell damage.

My base health is 6223 as stated on my character sheet. My max health is 13955.
If I use a health gem, it heals for a max of 6223 (supposed to be base health).
My max cure with my weapon (+23.53 Holy) is 7688.
Max cure w/out weapon should theoretically be 6223 (did not verify but max cure should be the same as a health gem or base health).
If I use the above formula, I get 7687.2719 which rounded up gives 7688 (things seem to be rounded up for calculations in this game).

wow, thanks... furthermore this is true also for astral weapons and with two hallowed the bonus of weap1 adds to that of weap2 to have a bigger impact on cure; i also checked with an ethereal weapon+infusion of divinity that holy strike isn't enough, holy spell damage is actually required for the bonus. i suppose it's the same thing for IW ethereal weapon with holy strike, but can't confirm it...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 24 2014, 12:07

I cleared DwD on PF with crappier gears than my current set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It must have taken 2/3 of my DwD clearing time to build up OC then focus to regen mana back.
I even slotted Better Drain for DwD only. A few attempts earlier shown that casting Regen despite only attacking a constantly stunned SG (I did SG stun-locking) most of the time was not efficient. One Drain on a SG was usually enough for me to kill all other minions, leaving only SGs left. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Now that I think about it, I should have utilized Defend to heal as well. Simply forgot it even existed.

I was incredibly conservative with my mana usage, so much that after having cleared DwD, I still had 5 mana potions in my battle item slots. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

It can be worth it to Silence the one or two remaining SGs so that you could focus safely, without having to worry about their spirit attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)



Oh, and before I get quoted for my method, let me say that I did PF DwD only to get the title and a sense of self satisfaction.
Efficiency was not of my most concern, surviving through the whole battle series was. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Jan 24 2014, 12:56

about reforging: when should you reforge if you're trying to get swift strike level 5(or anything for that matter)?

i suppose it's the same thing for IW ethereal weapon with holy strike, but can't confirm it...

Yes, Cure bonus need "Holy EDB". You can check this on your character screen. Holy strike added on ethereal weapon does not give the bonus.
"Hallowed" prefix weapons and "of Heimdall" suffix gears provide it. So Cure of holymage is almost the same with Full-Cure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Jan 24 2014, 13:15

If I'm aiming for a certain level 5 potency, I usually reforge at level 5 if I haven't already had at least level 3 of that potency. Later than that, it depends. Sometimes (like still level 4 potency after level 9 of the equip) I would just say "fuck it" and max the thing anyway because I feel that I can't be assed to reset all over again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Jan 24 2014, 13:16

Probably 3/2 or 5/3,especially 3/2. 7/4 is kinda not needed.

about reforging: when should you reforge if you're trying to get swift strike level 5(or anything for that matter)?

Thank you varst and m118w11, that's pretty interesting. You could optimise somewhat if they could follow the rules

Reset if not econ 2 by level 3, if not econ 3 by level 5 and not econ 4 by level 7.

hmmm interesting.

Same theory probably applies. Discussions about it started about page 2093 or so, so you might want to take a look.

Yes, Cure bonus need "Holy EDB". You can check this on your character screen. Holy strike added on ethereal weapon does not give the bonus.
"Hallowed" prefix weapons and "of Heimdall" suffix gears provide it. So Cure of holymage is almost the same with Full-Cure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so the question is still 'is it better to have an hollowforged hallowed weapon with the bonus cure or an ethereal weapon with holy strike and with no bur/itr at all?'
judging from the amount of hp retrieved with the bonus, at my level is still better an ethereal weapon, maybe with higher holy MDB it may help an hallowed weapon with low burden, right?

and also: i read a few pages ago that to use nietn it's better to have 2H and DW proficiency maxed, but what is the maximum? i'm at 160 and they are still increasing, even though with a time-variable trend...

so the question is still 'is it better to have an hollowforged hallowed weapon with the bonus cure or an ethereal weapon with holy strike and with no bur/itr at all?'
judging from the amount of hp retrieved with the bonus, at my level is still better an ethereal weapon, maybe with higher holy MDB it may help an hallowed weapon with low burden, right?

It depends on how much you use cure. If you stack physical mitigation, then cure is pretty much useless. If you are going power of slaughter then it will be more useful. But in terms of dps, you will probably find that ethereal +holy strike is better than Hallowed lvl 10. I'm still pretty skeptical of 'hallowed' as getting ~15% bonus to heal doesn't seam very good, although it is definitely the best of the elemental strikes, and ethereal is hella expensive.

and also: i read a few pages ago that to use nietn it's better to have 2H and DW proficiency maxed, but what is the maximum? i'm at 160 and they are still increasing, even though with a time-variable trend...

Max base is your level, don't train Assimilator because you won't need it. As you level up it takes longer to level and your proficiencies will grow at around level 300, you can get any melee proficiency to 300 before you reach level 301.

Price check pls

Magnificent Ethereal Club of Slaughter

Just got it from To kill a God PFUDOR

tbh, i'd wish there's a build in "auction" in the game. instead us going through price checks and a dozen forum post to find out what's something worth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

so the question is still 'is it better to have an hollowforged hallowed weapon with the bonus cure or an ethereal weapon with holy strike and with no bur/itr at all?'

Serious suggestion: just get one of them.